Jahled

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Look above this post at forums. Expand the list. Hop in on Profile and woo! You'll get the picture; or we'll get your picture... anyways; strugglr and give me a shout!

You know, Z t is like Freddy. He will do you no harm, if you forget him... But if you only whisper his name.... I don't want to get any guided Kitty-missiles in my backyard tomorrow. For God's sake take some elephant-tranquilizers LF? Just don't dreamanything tonight...

Valid point! What's freaking me out is the fact my cat has been curled up and vertially motionless fot the best part of at least two hours! So who now controls this psychopathic creature? Who has some glimpse of his psycotic fiendish movements? I'll be shagged if I know? What does it all mean?

Dwang! Shagged for who to quote.... EDIT: Remembered this piece of SW EU-frequently quoted-realism from swrebellion days of yore....

I prefer Titney of course. My idol. When I will be a grown man, I want to be Britney Spears! Britney Spears - Oh, La forge Britney Spears - Anvil, hit me one more time.

Dudes! I'm not being a troll in suggesting we abandon the EU stuff as sources of references! (I know you don't think I am), I just feel it makes life easier to address the initial point. Given it's you SOCL dude; here's a completely meaningless example of not using EU stuff as reliable: In the bath today I was casually reading a comic book called Doomworld, basically a Marvel reprint of the very earliest SW comics. On page 126 there is a very real reference to the Borg. I kid you not! Anyway, given that was as I said, meaningless to the topic at hand, i'll say this; given most of the 70s comics were absolute gibberish (twas a decade way way way out there!), am I to start quoting stuff from my chldhood as SW Biblical? It's never going to work. So for Argument's sake, and to make all of this easier I have made the suggestion we drop the EU stuff as a point of reference, which using Saxton's 'I drink to much coffee' website as points of reference you've just done. So I am confussed. Whilst this dude has contributed vastly to our beloved SW mythos (he really has!), he has a horrible habit of going overkill on vertially every aspect of every frame in a comic book for example as SW Fact! His Imperial ship section actually almost made me cry it was so over the top with utterly meaningless references of obscure ships from the Darkempire comics where the excellent artists obviously had a free hand at their artwork.... how the hell did we end up with an Allegiance SSD given it was obviously a normal one drawn wrong? Back to my original pointiness. Ok, I respect all of the points all of you have contributed but will now stand by my initial theory. In Ep II we have two vastly symbolic movie points. The first on Komino with Obi Wun being shown the Clones; and specifically collecting their Stormtrooper helmets in one scene. And two right at the end when the future Emperor is on that balcony with that ER actor overlooking thousands upon thousands of Stormtroopers marching into their Acclamator class cruisers. All of them are clones. We know this from the movie we've just finnished watching, because as we hear Imperial March and are stirred to 1977 awe once again, it obvious they all are because proffessional troops can't be trained that quickly and marched off into service. So how do you intigrate a non-clone into an existing regiment of clones, and not make them feel a little wierd, as time marches by? Why bother? With clones Palpatine has absolute steadfast loyalty, and economic value as Scathe pointed out. Why risk recruiting 'non-humans' who may be rebels, or at least pause for thought(being human?). Sure the Imperial Officer Core were obviously 'normal', and acted as officers for the Stormtroopers, but this is the brilliance of Palpatine's Empire. The commanders have steadfastly loyal and die-hard troops that can be relied upon to execute any assigned mission without questioning their orders. Sure, non-clones also served in the regular Imperial ranks; we saw that in the ESB in the AT-AT walkers, but the Imperial Army is always seperated from Stormtroopers right? Stormtroopers were the elite of the elite. Despite being crap in every movie, we must bear in mind we wouldn't have got off Tattooine if they shot up Luke, Ben, Han, and chums; and this site might well now be a Battlestar Gallactica site. *shudders* Gosh! Enough for now! [/i]

[Jahled] Dude?

First girl is Julia Roberts, one of the other two is that most stunning of ladies, Salma. Britney Spears-Baby One More Time* *I may in fact not be listening to this.

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Thank fang-doodles i'm not on XP! Good postiness dude, i'll have fun with that at the course tomorrow! * * Might not, actually; no speakers...

Good advice fellas! If you can't get your head around that, PM me what you want.

That was actually quite a good post! Have none of you got anything to say concerning the subject if we don't use EU stuff? I ez amazed.

There is a bit more to Grand Moff Conway's contribution to this site that at first might meet the eye. Sure; he doesn't post like most of us do as if we've just had two double expressos, but the man has always been here, longer than me at least, and has been rewarded for this continued presance and his magnificant financial contribution, with his thoroughly deserved rank. That's all the explaination my mate needs.

***REPAIR MODE*** Holy god dam pasta, i've never been so stung by a missed-post in my my life! I forgot the word NOT in my post! NOT! I can assure you that wasn't me passed out after the pub hugging a fluffy kitten! My own cat would never allow such an occurance! Anyway, i'll remind you that I look like this and that I have ginger hair, and bear a Katana and a lightsaber. I found the source image on the web, and quite frankly couldn't really care if the bloke is dead or not.* *Zoot made his concerns very vocal concerning this. If pissed do not attempt to hugg small fluffy kittens, even if you technically own them. Chances are you might hurt them. For they are small. Edit: Aged 30-something spelling still haunts me.

Ok. I'm going to get gritty. For argument's sake let us put aside all the 'EU' stuff, it doesn't help whatso ever given it's all open to argument/debate, and none of it registers that much with what's going on, and never really has, in Geaorge Lucas' mind, in so much as his vision has revealed itself. My personnal opinion is that most of it is badly written, and quite frankly stupid; the glipses of which have kinda soiled the SW universe I love. Stories inwhich assembled junior jedi's throw Imperial fleets out of orbit are simply dumb and childlike. (errr....Darksaber...I think...) which to his credit is why GL hasn't given such windows of SW economics any reality in the prequals. Who are this f-rate authors producing crap for people to quote in debates such as this one? Have any of them met GL? Have any of them discussed his vision, in depth; or lightly over an expresso at Starbucks? For most of the utter crap, it's unlikely. Most of the SW so-called expanded universe is just a means to do two things which as intelligent dudes we all know: milk us for cash, and satisfy are helpless consumption for SW stuff! If I drew a picture of a Stormtrooper with a pancake on his head, and it got published by Darkhorse comics as an advert for an appropriate pancake manufacturer, the chances are some bright spark would rave all about it on one the infinite SW websites untill the Pancake Trooper has become some esoteric specialized-unit discussed in depth at conventions, on the third floor exclusive sub-meeting. I know this is a silly exageration, but in all honesty, the expanded SW universe is now utterly pathetic, and about as close to GL's original vision in the movies as India and Pakistan are in friendly games of cricket. Quite frankly I gave up reading d-rate EU novals after I threw Darksaber into the waves of the cost of Spain; I considered it that crap, and unworthy of the tree that it came from. But unworthy of the dream and magic of the movie I first saw in 1977. Back to point: So, take all of that onboard; from the first post, deleate all the EU stuff from your mind, and remember all of this is ultimately just movie stuff, with not much else than economics to it. If you own a copy of Attack of the Clones; The Illustrated Companion, turn to page 64 to see visual representation of what GL wants to put into his audaiance's heads as far as the birth of the Empire goes. Clones donning hats. He may not be the best movie maker in the world, but obvious symbolism in a film is...errr...slightly obvious....

Haven't done that, but driving in a snow storm with the high beams on makes it look like you're jumping into hyperspace...-Thumper I did this a couple of time on someone else's 750cc motorbike in mid-wales because no one else trapped in our remote cottage had the balls to/or was insane enough to do so. I got the fag run when we all ran out. I swear I saw the outlines of wampa arms ahead of me. Them or sheep. I only crashed once in two weeks of outright blizzard hell. Never venture to remote cotages in mid-Wales.

Here's something extremely fluffy and adorable I made earlier. I can assure you i'm the bafoon on the ground who's obviously just got back from the pub and passed out whilst expressing his affection to his little kitty kat!

Why do you asume by the time Palpatine has assumed his authothity, Kamino is the only place in the galaxy of producing clones?

*Wipes back tears of nostalger*

Wow! Good scribbling there fellas! I must confess to having my mind half made up on the clone issue. Hence me posting this issue. First point. Ok, I admit to having read very little of the expanded stuff, because other than the excellent Zahn Thrawn triliogy, I personally began to find the quality of writing seriously lacking. My own opinion. I own masses of comics, the best without a doubt was one of the most recent; being Betrayal. In that we have the true value of clone Stormtroopers in the eyes of their Imperial masters, target practice for Darth Vader at one point. Given that comic was set 'weeks before the events in a new hope,' what are we to make of it? Slightly demoralizing for other Stormtroopers if they are deemed so expendable as to being killed on a whim by Darth Vader. So if we are going to quote expanded SW stuff start with that. It is without doubt the most closely sanctioned expanded title tied up with the new movies. It is here that inner circle of people who make the final decisions concerning what's approved and what is not have stamped their mark and Star Wars authenticity as far as they want the mythos to be seen. Chiefly that the countless legions of Stormtroopers are clones. Why, given the Emperor/Palpatine/Supreme Chancellor would he outlaw their production? He's just engineered absolute power by EP3. It goes with TIE fighter pilots as well, who in their right mind would get into an unshielded fighter at the complete mercy of a mother carrier? Dwell on this. I believe when we get to see Ep3 you'll catch onto what i'm on about. Second Point: This is expressly my own opinion, but so much of this EU stuff has ruined the SW mythos by being quite frankly silly, my entire question hinges on whether it used as a source of quotation or ignored as such. Bear in mind George Lucas largely has clearly demonstrated he doesn't consider it worth much in his SW vision, other than filling up his bank account. So I leave it to you to use or not use expanded stuff in this matter as you deem fit. Personally, i'm going to stop editing these posts saying i'm not sure anymore. Clones make economic sense, especially if you control the Imperial Senete and you depend on these guys to conquer the galaxy for your Empire.

Where can i get to see it. Is that the scene where she shoots at the mayor of New York in the park? No that's in the standard version. A mate of mine had it on a dodgy video. I'll have words with my mate in China. Found This and This this morning.

This statement is relying on non-movie source. Therefore it could be deemed as not being valid, especially given the amount of rubbish that has been published.

Was that '.............in a galaxy far, far away..... Emm... pubs are good for you. I'm just going to hang onto my theory for just a few last gasps longer, untill someone nice comes along and agrees with me. I will be their best friend for ages. But all of you heed this now: When George is 'liberated' from his film production, this insight into the entire mythos and Star Wars will go down as the post that hit it on the head. He will have to explain stuff like why clone/stormtroopers look so cool/identical, how the Empire took shape in his mind so quickly overthrowing the Republic, and why I without any doubt reckon all of you lot are utterly wrong with your replies. * I am so confident by the time you finnish watching EP 3 that you will have forgotten this post I shall now go to my fridge. I suspect there will be a cat waiting to be kicked. I've fed him twice for gods sake. Edit: *I am increasingly loosing confidance.