..well put Glandry dude, I believe you're on to GL's thread... Palpatine, as stated in the opening lines of the original Star Wars book, as the manipulater behind the Old Republic's collapse, through manipulation, and as the saga later reveals; the seduction of Anakin Skywalker to, also what is revealed, the dark side... Palpatine's affiliation with the Dork side wasn't revealed untill ROTJ...gibberish? ...errr... ELVIS! Moderate me quick! My fingers are loosing the plot! Help!!