That's correct Tofu, "look how Vietnam turned out". If politicians would stop sticking their noses in where they're not wanted (i.e. politicians feel they're important, therefore it's their right to micro manage the military), then Vietnam could have turned out much differently. That was one of the main points made by Stormin' Norman during Desert Storm; politicians STAY OUT! No one knows how to better run the military, than the military. And look how that turned out Look how much money the US pumped into Germany & Japan after the WWII. There's not too much difference between then and now; Iraq needs their civilian infrastructure restored also: power plants, homes, hospitals, schools, sewage planets, roads, water supply, etc. The people of Iraq are getting the same help as the Germans and Japanese did. Their despot of a leader had about a gnat's ass worth of concern for his people, and it shows. So, support the troops by supporting the Iraqi people! You help them, and they'll help you (as is being found out, but that doesn't make the headlines; and it's especially not good news for the Democrats).