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After doing some legwork, I've noticed something interesting: You do not need the CD to play Rebellion. When you do a full install, all files are copied to the directory except the MDATA folder. If you manually copy the folder from inside the CD into the Rebellion directory on your HD, you can play without the game CD in the computer tray. The benefits of this are obvious, such as being able to listen to a music CD while playing Rebellion, or playing Rebellion while installing files from a CD. Of course, the downside to this is that all of those .WAV and movie files in the MDATA folder are now taking up space on your HD, so its a double-edged sword. I'm sure someone else figured this out already, but some of the newer members might not know.

I joined up just now under Evaders, similar to Eko. My name is "Elder_Toguro". I've only trained a defense specialist and bought the 5 unit production upgrade (leaving me with 1k gold), but I plan to focus on defense throughout the game, training sentries and defense specialists. Once that is satisfactory, I'll probably work on spies and just sabotage rather than invade. Is this a sound strategy?

Hi everyone! For those that care, I've just about finished with the cool event pics. Actually, my sister drew these so I give credit to her. They're very anime-esque, but thats actually what I wanted. Anyway, a brief intro to the characters you'll be seeing: Yuki Hirameki: a 7-year old psychic girl who possesses powers beyond belief. Unfortunately, she's rather immature and prone to causing trouble with her inquisitive nature. Once she gets back from training, though, she's much more mature (replaces Luke) Golgoth: A despot covered in gold armor and a blue cape. He is one of the two co-rulers of the Apokoliptian Empire, and seems to focus on the enforcement part of governing. (Replaces Vader) Valentine: A woman of unmatched intelligence and kindness. She is an excellent diplomat, but has limited combat ability, too. The PanGalactic Federation uses her as their mascot--the friendly face that people know as the government. (Replaces Leia) Darkseid: A stone-cold co-ruler of the Empire. He guides the subordinates of the Empire and commands absolute respect. Though Golgoth often causes more death, rumors say that Darkseid may be even more powerful....(replaces the Emperor) http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/ToguroAni/oldyukivsdarkseid.bmp http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/ToguroAni/yuki_golgoth_standoff.bmp http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/ToguroAni/Valmeetsdarkseid.bmp For the record about Darkseid's costume: When he fights Yuki he puts on the battle armor, but for the weaker Valentine, he's not afraid to wear his regular clothes.

Okay. Since Skyxnex doesnt want to debate anymore, we can say he has Gungan blood and call it a day! Heres the final truth.... Palpatine isnt Anakin's Dad...he's JAR JAR'S

Its time for me (read: my sister) to begin work on the ending slide show for my TC. Are there specific dimension requirements for the movie? Does she need to work with a specific palette? Has anyone even replaced the movies?

I'll disagree with some of that the same way I disagreed with Tex. If we imagine the movies then that leaves it open to individual interpretations on how the fights "should have went". And while in theory you could say that Old Obi and Suited Vader were whirling around at each other all flashy like, or as skyxnex suggests were beyond that in terms of skill, it still doesn't explain Palpy, who doesnt even have a lightsabre in ROTJ. Palpy wasnt conserving energy--he was shooting lighting all over the place in ROTS, same as in ROTJ, he just also whipped out a sabre in ROTS. Humans are humans in the Star Wars universe same as they are in the real world. As you get older you get slower and weaker. The force can delay this to some degree of course, but not enough to make a man fight like he could 20 years ago. As for the Dooku problem, like I said earlier, Dooku's fighting style was relatively unhindered by his age. Put him in his prime and you can imagine what a beast he would have been--easily worthy of being trained by Yoda. Also consider that he had lived his whole life out of exile and in practice, while Obi was in exile and could only self-train. As for your (admittedly good) question of why Palpy didnt get a new apprentice if Vader was weakened, I have a few theories: If we're to accept the EU canon of "Emperor's Hands", then we should also accept the EU concept of the Emperor's prejudice against women. The foremost hand, Mara Jade, would hardly have been suitable as Palpy's right hand woman if he wanted to get that message across. As for the other Emperor's hands (the only one I can think of is that Malafic guy from Galaxies, but I'm sure there are others), keep in mind that Vader is weak when comparing him to Obi-wan, Yoda, and Luke in their prime. These are some of the greatest Jedi of them all, probably much stronger even in their weaker state than these EU Dark Jedi guys. AsI said in a previous post, Vader may be weaker with a lightsabre because he stopped training with that and began to work more with the Force, explaining why his lightsabre prowess sucks in the OT but his power with the force seems to increase. And theres the most obvious reason: Vader is scary. He's even scarier than General Grievous. When Vader walks into a room, you shut up and change your pants that you just soiled. No one could symbolize the "doctrine of fear" more than Vader, and I think that counts for a lot.

Midichlorians may count for something, heck a lot of things, but Luke was doing all he could to lift those rocks. The only formal lightsabre training he had was on the Falcon with Han. Luke may have had the POTENTIAL for greatness, but until he actually underwent more formal training (presumably between ESP and ROTJ), he wasn't very strong. I've always considered midichlorians to be a guage of how powerful you can become rather than how powerful you are. Anakin got lots of training in and so thats why he was so powerful. Luke had much less training and while his midichlorian level helped him scoot by, he didnt really achieve the power level of his father until possibly ROTJ or the EU after that. Just look at Luke vs. the training droid to see what I mean. As for Yoda and Obi being in hiding when Vader's power level went through the toilet, consider this: When Obi was still in his prime and able to fight the suited Vader, the ARC troopers were still fresh and followed Vader around (even in the OT Vader usually travels with an escort). Those ARCs are powerful enough to kill Jedi masters like Ki-Adi-Mundi by themselves. Obi could probably take a squad of them, but not a squad AND Vader, even with Vader's reduced power level. By the time the Clone troopers were replaced with the weaker stormtroopers, Obi had aged to the point where fighting Vader would be suicide (and it was). As for Yoda, I think there was a certain element of shame that kept him from trying again. Getting busted up by Palpy caused him a lot of emotional trouble. Rather than have a repeat performance of last battle, Yoda decided to wait it out, hoping that Obi was able to protect Luke and set him on the path of defeating his father.

The problem with that is if we are to re-imagine the OT fights as if they were done in the prequel style, then we're just using conjecture instead of facts or logical inferences. Sure the fights were made using the best technology available at the time, but they are what they are and since thats what happened, we have to take it into consideration. However, we should also consider these mitigating factors. Dooku used a style similar to fencing when he fought with a lightsabre. This takes much less effort than using your sabre like a battleaxe, like Obi and Anakin liked to do. Palpy seemed to enjoy using his like a spear or battering ram, and also jumped around a lot. To that end, Dooku's style used a lot less movement and was more opportunistic than the others', allowing him to fight well despite his age. Obi, living on the harsh desert of tatooine, may have developed arthritis or something, because he moves much slower than he used to. Depending on whether you believe the EU or not, he ended up fighting against Maul again and practically lost if not for Owen. As for Yoda...I'm still convinced that those swamp gases got the better of him, turning him old, weak, and into a muppet. Then again, how much do we know about Yoda? Look at him walk, then watch him fight. He may have been weak the entire Prequel Trilogy, and using the force to "power up" DBZ style. Since Yoda was the only in the movies who had that style of the force (evidenced by his use of those force shields against the lightning), perhaps that was another trick only he could do. I doubt Palpy could even use a lightsabre anymore. It could be that Yoda's species ages better than humans, but Palpy even sounded tired as he was frying Luke. Dooku put up a fight but was ultimately defeated in ROTS, and perhaps his age had something to do with it. When you're that old, 3 years is a while. As long as he kept his distance he was fine, but once Anakin closed in, that was it, possibly because Dooku was physically unable to respond in time. Now apply the same concept to an old man who spent the last 20 years sitting on a throne, with the Dark Side eating away at his body, and is about 20 years older than Dooku. Is there any wonder why he was so much stronger in ROTS?

I dont remember him saying THAT, but I do remember him "arrrrghh"ing when he gets whacked. Vader was such a weakling after he got the armor put on. Look at those awful overhead chops he loved to do in the movie. Perhaps he gave up his sabre practice in favor of learning how to control objects in battle? Either that or those burns all over his body make it hard for him to move his shoulders and knees.

Is there any reason why the GFFA doesn't use those droidekas to fight Rapora on land battles? I figure they can reverse engineer them after what, 50 years? They can block lightsabres and two of them forced a Jedi master and Padawan to run for their lives. Of course, we've all been missing the real easy solution to this battle. In episode 1, Obi falls into a pool of water and his lightsabre shorts out. Therefore, our answer is...Supersoakers! Just fire a few shots of water at the base of the raporan lightsaber, and you've got a really angry, wet, unarmed Rapora to deal with. If that doesnt work.... Throw an ice cube at them. Reptiles hate sudden drops in temperature. Offer a peace treaty, giving them land in exchange for a cease of hostilities. We weren't using Jurassic Park anyway, and they'd be right at home. Give them a spot on a children's daytime television show. "I love you, you love me, join the Darkside with my family." Have Kevin J. Anderson do the mods from now on. Since the good guys ALWAYS win when he writes, the GFFA will win no matter what happens! Have the Yuuzhan Vong create a living ship that eats the Rapora's living ship. Mmm.....living ship...(drools) Some more serious ideas are: Drench the Rapora with water to short circuit their lightsabres Plasma, from what I've read about it, is most effective against energy attacks. Perhaps some strong projectiles like those seen in Ep.3 could work. And like before, if all else fails, use the Megazord. Go go Jedi Rangers!

Yoda may have been able to flip around, but that may also have something to do with his species longevity. You can't even begin to compare ROTS Palpy with ROTJ Palpy. Likewise, Old Obi is far weaker than AoTC or ROTS Obi. Just watch their fights and you can see (incidentally, Dooku must have OWNED when he was younger). As for Vader, He does get a lot stronger in the force, but lets also remember that a Padawan who is untrained in the ways of the lightsaber got a good whack at Vader's shoulder in ESB. If not for that armor, Vader would have lost his arm....again. Its quite possible that Anakin and the Clones killed all the really powerful Jedi (sans Yoda and Obi) and Vader, who seems to be quite a bit slower, was able to take care of the stragglers.

Just tried it in compatability mode. It works! thanks guys

I saw it, and I was impressed. I put it above the X-man movies and on par with the two Spider-Man movies, but not quite up there with Hellboy or Batman Begins (my two favorite comic movies). The scenes with Johnny playing tricks on Ben were right out of the Lee and Kirby run on the FF and were portrayed wonderfully. I think that the torch stole the show in terms of playing those admittedly corny lines well, with Ben a close second. The angst between Sue and Reed bothered me a little. Why was Reed against sharing an apartment with Sue? They sort of dodged that question and it would give us some insight into Reed's character if we knew. Sue comes off as a powerful woman, which is more in line with Mark Waid's Sue than Lee's, but we don't want a "Leave it to Beaver" style Invisible Girl in today's feminist world, so thats not a problem. Doom....well, I hope they didn't ruin him just because he sort of looked like Darth Vader. His voice was way too soft and high pitched for Dr. Doom, and as Darth Rob mentioned, he was rather weak. He was quite similar to Mark Waid's Doom, as I had guessed from the trailers, but the whole final fight scene just looked smaller in scale compared to Spidey's fight against the Green Goblin or Dr. Octopus. I highly recommend this movie despite the flaw with Doom. If you're cheap, just go see a matinee of it--its worth the money. I also recommend reading the comics if you liked any of these Marvel or DC movies. All of these movies are based on a specific story, which is usually better than the movie. If reading isnt your thing, however, you could do worse than see this one. (and keep your eyes peeled for Serenity--it looks great!)

Okay, I can sorta-kinda see Ep.1 Obi being in his late twenties. Maybe. I'll go with it. But theres no way Palpy was in his 50s or even early 60s in Episode 1. Sidious used the force to make himself look younger (and also less evil), and Palpy couldnt have been less than 65, and thats pushing it. But for the sake of argument, I'll say that the Emperor is 55 years old. 10 years from TPM to AotC is 65, then 68 in ROTS, then 88 in ANH, then around 93 in ROTJ. Thats still 93 years old! If we consider whether aging has an effect or not, you just need to look at the movies (we cant take when the movies were produced into account if we were to consider these guys as having real abilities) . Obi-Wan and the Emperor were slinging lightsabres around, cutting down Jedi Masters, General Grievouses, whining Sith Lords, Samuel L. Jacksons, etc in the prequels. By ANH, Obi has slown down considerably, having to use both hands to fight with his sabre and slashing and blocking much slower. I should also note that he wasn't using Force push, jump, etc. In terms of contiunity, as he got older, he got weaker. Now look at Palpy. No lightsabre action at all. Thats because he's at least 93 years old! By that time, Palpy still seems to be able to do one thing at a time really well (manage a fleet, see the future, fight, watch TV, etc), but he has trouble multitasking as he didn't see himself getting shafted while he was busy either going all Pikachu on Luke or planning this big trap of luring the Rebel Fleet in.

Woa woa hold on. Obi isn't anywhere NEAR Palpy's age! Lets do some math here. Episode 1: Palpy looks around 70 years old, Obi is around 18. Episode 2: Palpy is now around 80 years old. Obi is around 28. Episode 3: Palpy is around 83 years old. Obi is around 31. Episode 4: Palpy is around 103 YEARS OLD Obi is around 51. I'm guessing that a hard life in exile took its toll on Obi's looks, but not his mind (poor Yoda. It turned him from CGI into a muppet). I'm guessing around 5 years goes on between Episodes IV and VI, so that puts Palpy at 108 years old. We already know that the Dark Side eats at your body. We can't expect Palpy to be anywhere near as powerful in ROTJ as he was in ROTS. He's too old.

He was 25 years younger in Episode III. That factors in, too

I have no solid evidence to back this part up, but in regards to things like Force Jump/run etc, I wonder if perhaps the Force might merely enhance what a person can already do rather than allow them to do things which you physically cant do (ignoring mind tricks, mind reading and telepathy, as those are more mental). If that holds true, it explains why Jedi jump and not fly. It also explains why Palpy was helpless from the time he got picked up to the time he got thrown down the shaft. Since there isnt anything a human can do while falling (cant jump because he cant get leverage), then even with all of his force power, all he could do is fall. Another possibility is that the Emperor, being around 105 years old and all, just want mentally up to the task of frying Luke, organizing his fleet over Endor, coping with Vader's betrayal, and then getting shafted. All of that is a lot of pressure for an old guy. I still say that Dooku could have taken Yoda or Anakin in Eps 2 and 3 if he had been fresh, and perhaps Palpy was the same way--mentally drained from overseeing the biggest fight against the Rebellion that he'd ever seen.

Unfortunately, hitting escape didn't work =/

Scene: The Gencore Level 1 shield generator that emits its relatively mighty shield over the city-planet, protecting Palpy. Two rebel infiltrators have snuck into the shield complex disguised as tourists, and have tricked the tour guide/stormtrooper TK-1337 into revealing the control panel.... TK-1337: "Yep. Its a marvel of modern science. Everything about this shield is controlled by the circuits in that teeny tiny control panel. If someone were to pry open that safety guard, then the whole shield could be taken down with one shot! That's one of the major reasons why you aren't allowed to touch it!" Tourist: "Zo I see. Ees it just me or haff ve lost dhe rest uff dhe group?" TK-1337: "Hey you're right! I need to go back and get them! They probably got lost in the gift shop! You two stay right here and DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING!" Female tourist: "Roger roger." TK-1337 runs back to get the tourists before they spend all their hard-earned credits on Gencore Level 1 toothpaste (shields you from cavities!) or LNR Series 1 squirt guns (helps if you're ever bombarded by water balloons). Meanwhile the rebel infiltrators eye the metal safety guard covering the Gencore's vital wires.... Female tourist/terrorist: "Is it just me or do those Stormies get more and more stupid every mission?" Male tourist/terrorist: "Muzt be in-cloning." Female tourist/terrorist: "Oh well. Get the thermal detonator ready while I open this hatch. Let's blow this thing and go home." the female terrorist gently opens the hatch as her partner hands her the thermal detonator...... Shortly, TK-1337 and the rest of the group enter the room and look down at the smoldering rebel corpses. TK-1337: "The OTHER reason you shouldn't touch the control panel is the high-voltage defense current that runs through the panel at all time--a surge enough to deactivate a thermal detonator....and you. Suckers." The crowd gapes in shock and awe as TK-1337 throws the rebels down the nearby garbage chute. He stops and sees that a mysterious data disk fell out of the infiltrator's pocket. He looks at it then silently puts it in his pocket. TK-1337: "Sorry about that folks! We're going to take a quick break for lunch right now. The GenCafé has some good fried foods, I hear." TK-1337 leads the remaining group down to lunch, but most find their appetite has been ruined. Meanwhile......inside the Imperial palace we find Vader and Palpatine in the bathroom by the sinks. Palpatine is washing his eyes out with soap and is acting very angry. Palpy: "Thanks a lot, Vader. "Order 69" indeed! I've just now seen something that I'll never be able to purge from my brain! I swear, you're going to be the death of me." Vader: "Don't say that, Master. You're like a great-great-great grandfather to me. I don't want to cause you any pain." Palpy: "I'm not exactly sure how to take that. Anyway, I've finished cleansing my eyes of that horrible image. Why don't you do the same, my young apprentice?" Vader turns on the sink and splashes some water on his helmet. Electric sparks start to fly from his head and he stumbles back Palpy: "Heeheheee! Gotcha!" Palpy runs out of the bathroom laughing wickedly Vader stumbles back a little and throws his arms out Vader: "he tricked me again! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" Palpy runs out and turns a corner, slamming into a balding scientist. Palpy: "Who the heck are you?" Scientist: "I'm Bevel Lemelisk! Vader Recruited me on his last mission!" Palpy: "Okay....and what do you do?" Bevel: "I designed the Death Star!" Palpy: "No you didn't. The Geonosians did, remember?" Bevel: "Those Grasshoppers did NOT Design the Death Star! They use SOUND guns for crying out loud! I designed it! I have the plans right here in my pocket! Look! Look! They even say "Original Death Star Plans, signed by Emperor Palpatine!" it has YOUR signature on it!!" Bevel holds up the plans and shows them to Palpy Palpy: "Nope. I dont see any plans in your hand. All I see is a scientist that I'm going to stuff in one of my super shipyards until he churns out a Super Star Destroyer." and with that, two Imperial guards take away our continuity-troubled friend to work on R&D for the rest of his life. Palpy sits in his chair and relaxes. Just then, Grammel runs in Grammel: "Emperor Palpatine! Emperor Palpatine, are you here?" Palpy: "No. I'm not here." Grammel: "EMPEROR PALPATIIIIIIIIIINE! Where are you?! Are you here?!" Palpy: "(sigh) Yes, Grammel. I'm here. What do you need?" Grammel: "We routed the rebels on Byss, Emperor Palpatine. Our Carrack Cruiser was more than a match for their 5 bulk cruisers! It will only be a matter of time before we have complete control of the Farfin sector!" Palpy: "Excellent! How many diplomats do we have in that sector?" Grammel: "Er, none sir." Palpy: "Okay. How many units of troops?" Grammel: "Er, none..sir." Palpy: "Then how about explaining how you were going to go about taking over the Farfin sector?" Grammel: "I would go on Diplomacy missions and sway them to our cause, Emperor Palpatine!" Palpy: "....Yeah. You go do that, Mr. 0 Diplomacy. I can see it now..."Natives of Byss! Natives of Byss! Are you HERE?"" Grammel: "Yes sir, Emperor Palpatine! I'll do that right away!" Grammel runs out. Shortly, a sparking Darth Vader enters with a man in white armor. Vader: "Master, I have detected that Noval Garaint can use the Force. We should consider allowing me to conduct a Jedi Training mission." Palpy: "Noval who? He looks like Commander Cody to me." Noval Garaint: "...I wish I was Boba Fett. People would stop replacing my card if I was Boba Fett." Palpy: "What was that?" Noval Garaint: "Nothing, sir. (I bet he wishes I was Boba Fett, too)" Palpy: "Vader, I am most displeased. First you bring me a scientist who thinks that he built the Death Star, and now you bring me a guy who looks like he got some Wal-Mart brand clonetrooper armor and has a serious case of Fettishism." Vader: "At least I didnt recruit Grammel" Palpy: "Touché. Go train him. I'll have Ozzel take command of the fleets while you are away." Vader: "What?! Not Ozzel! He always drops out of hyperspace too close! Remember what happened last time he was in command of our Coruscant defense fleet?" FLASHBACK TO CORUSCANT, 2 YEARS AGO Vader and Palpatine are relaxing on a couch, watching Ewok Adventures. Palpatine: "I love Ewoks. They're so cuuute! Lets build our next Death Star over Endor so I can watch them from my throne Chambers." Vader: "But they could cause trouble for our defense Garrison." Palpy: "Oh sure. I'm SURE the rebels will recruit them and blow up the shield generator. Sure. AND they'll wipe out our fleet while they're at it, I'll bet. Speaking of which, I put Ozzel in charge of our fleet while we're watching TV." Suddenly, the front end of an Imperial Star destroyer appears in the middle of the room, ripping a hole in the wall. Ozzel pops out of it and looks around. Palpy: "WHAT THE HECK?! THAT WAS A NEW WALL!" Ozzel: "Sorry, M'lord. I guess I must have jumped out of hyperspace too close to the planet." Vader (looking at the smoking hole in the wall and the Imperial Star Destroyer backing up, making a beeping noise): Good guess. PRESENT TIME Palpy: "Ooops. Oh well. Maybe he's learned by now." CRASH! Palpy is thrown forward as an Imperial Star Destroyer rams wall behind his throne. Ozzel steps out. Ozzel: "Sorry m'lord!" Will Grammel succeed in winning the Farfin sector to the Imperial side? What did TK-1337 find on the infiltrator? Will Vader get revenge on Palpy? Will Ozzel learn how to drive? Find out all this and more on the next potentially enjoyable installment of Star Wars: Life in the war!

in that case the only option available is to distract the reptilian-like Rapora with feeder mice and kill them while they're busy. Either that or construct a working Darksaber and make Kevin J. Anderson's book actually worth something =/ . If Dorja the Hutt can afford one, the New Republic could probably build a few. Its just a DS superlaser in a smaller casing, after all. Hopefully the Raporans can't block that, because if they can shrug off a superlaser, then we're all screwed. Failing that, theres always a Megazord....

I never said that she isnt attuned to the force, but rather she's weak enough in it to be overlooked. As for Vader knowing about Leia in ROTJ, that one's easy--we know that Vader can read his son's mind. Look how they were communicating mentally in ESB. When they were fighting in front of the Emperor, he simply read his mind and found the thing that would ignite Luke's rage--the idea of turning Leia evil

While you or anyone else outside the terrorist fringe group may not agree with what the message is, its still not hard to understand, really. We value freedom, capitalism, and equality. I, you, and honestly most people also view these as "good". These fringe groups, however, view complete religious obedience in the same way that we view freedom and equality. And, like us, they'll fight for what they believe in. Its just our responsibility to make sure that we win and they don't. The trick is doing that in a way that doesn't compromise what it is that we're fighting for. I'm talking about the early 1990's occupation, not the post 9/11 one, just to clear that up. Since the 2001 occupation was already post-attack, we can figure that to be a logical advancement on the war front. The earlier occupation in Afghanistan was to help Israel, I believe, something that Al-Qaida wasn't too happy with. Just because an enemy is a threat doesn't justify dehumanizing it. We can't punish Saddam Hussein for war crimes and then turn around and do them ourselves, justifying that terrorists have no national allegiance and therefore slip through the cracks. We can't let them win, but we have to win in such a way that will show them (and ourselves) that you can practice what you preach even during wartime, which the United States has not been doing, unfortunately. Edit by Trej: Fixed the quote so it looks better...

I havent read any of the NJO stuff, but Leia seemed to be a pretty weak Jedi in the books that were published pre-Ep.1. I think that she was simply too weak to be detectable. As for Yoda's comment, look at it this way and it works: Yoda meant Leia was their last hope because if Luke fell to the dark side or died or didnt do the job then Leia could make Vader see the good in himself and bring balance to the Force by killing Palpy. Yes I know that Leia hated Vader for the whole Alderaan thing, but given that he was her father, Leia might have been able to put her feelings aside long enough to turn Vader. Luke did it, and I figure a senator probably has more self-control than a farm boy.

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