Gank Posted December 28, 2002 Share Posted December 28, 2002 (edited) Ok so we have to sort out need to get something concrete down here before people start making stuff. I'm gonna throw down what I got in my head and you guys can pull it apartRebel Cap ships: Corellian Gunship------same in booksCorellian Corvette-----same Bulk Cruiser------------MC80 Liberty ClassNebulon frigate---------same in booksAssault frigate----------same in booksDreadnaught-----------MC40a Carrier-----------------Bulk Cruiser Refitted to carriers during trilogyCC7700----------------Peregrine Class Modified Strike CruiserCC9900----------------????MC80-------------------Republic Star Destroyer Black fleet CrisisLiberator---------------Nebula Star Destroyer 11 years after EndorDauntless--------------MC80b Mon Remonda Bulwark----------------MC90 Defiant Medium transport-----sameAction IV---------------YT1300 or similar Imp Cap Ships Lancer-----------------sameStrike------------------sameCarrack----------------sameEscort Carrier---------sameDread------------------Katana Fleet Dreadnaught Interdicter-------------Dominator Class Star Destroyer VSD I------------------maybe change? VSD II-----------------same ISD I-------------------maybe change ISD II------------------sameSSD--------------------same Star Galleon-----------sameGalleon-----------------like to drop, modular star hauler maybe? Assault transport------Shuttle or similarDeath Star-------------probably have to leave this where it is. thats whats in my head anyways, basically most of its untouched, just redone. Dropping one of the isd and vsd variants would open a slot but I'm not sure what could go in their place. Gimme your thoughts anyways and we see what we end up with. i had an idea of putting Sluis van and bilbringi in 2 of the slots but not sure how that'll work out. Oh and Fighters CAN be changed too thanks to vakundok but the ones in there seem most appropriate to the timescale anyways. Edited December 30, 2002 by Gank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisMiggell Posted December 28, 2002 Share Posted December 28, 2002 Well, i'd say look in the other forum, and also, let's be ambitious, we can change so much now, we can make this look really, really good. Elvismiggell. Strike me down and i will become more powerful than you can ever imagine... Nu kyr'adyc, shi taab'echaaj'la Not gone, merely marching far away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gank Posted December 28, 2002 Author Share Posted December 28, 2002 I know theres a shiplist in the other forum but as this is the forum where it should be I'd like to start a new one here. The thread in the cards forum is a bit cluttered to follow properly, here I can edit my post so anyone who wants to try a model can see clearly what ones we're going to need. And we are changing a lot, every model is going to be different but personally I'd rather see good looking classic SW ships then a hodge podge of ships from all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 28, 2002 Share Posted December 28, 2002 I'll just re-post my list from the other thread since I am still thinking along these lines. Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:26 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If we get rid of the older ships, we simply don't have enough! My first idea was to get rid of the ISD I and VSD I, but I could not find enough ships to boot. Right now, my list looks as follows: MC-80a - ISD II Assault Frigate - VSD II MC-40 - Carrack Corellian Gunship - Lancer Frigate Quasar Fire Carrier - Imperial Escort Carrier YT1300 - Delta DX/Lambda/Sentinel A-Wing - TIE Interceptor B-Wing - TIE Bomber ---Research starts here--- Modified Corvette - Modified Corvette Marauder - Interdictor Modified Frigate - Modified Frigate Katana Dreadnaught - Katana Dreadnaught Modified Strike Cruiser - Strike Cruiser MC-80b - SSD Bulk Transport - Bulk Transport X-Wing - Allegiance ISD MC-90 - Scimitar E-Wing - Eidolon Class Strike Cruiser Dominator - Dominator ISDBothan Assault Cruiser - Nemesis ISD Viscount Star Defender - Sovereign SSD The Dominator is just like an ISD II equiped with gravity well projectors. The Nemesis ISD is a ship made up by the guys at the NJO Project, but it looks really authentic and has a great model. They also have models for Mediator and Bothan Assault Cruisers and the Star Defender. All ships except for the Nemesis are authentic and appeared in books, comics or games. Except for the Allegiance, there is a model available for every one of them. (actually, I somehow missed the TIE Defender up there. The Marauder is more like a placeholder at the current state.) It's all hopeless but otherwise not very dramatic. - Helme Haffax Englishman: "What do you think of Modern Civilization?"Mahatma Gandhi: "That would be a good idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gank Posted December 28, 2002 Author Share Posted December 28, 2002 The NJO ships dont really fit with the timeline, they're a good 20 years ahead of what we're basing this one. And while Terribly Mauled and Sean Bs models are very nice bear in mind they're made for Xwa and have a much higher polycount then what we're aiming for here. Same goes for JMs Dominator. Please remember that while their maybe models for every ship you mention that we have a polylimit of 2k and most of the models out there are higher than this, apart from the xwa ones. Also we cant go round ripping off models left right and centre, its considered bad form and can land us in trouble. As for the rest I like the idea of the Allegience, fits in with the timeline and theres also a vsd like version iirc. I'm not familiar with the eidolon though, do you have any links to a pic or model? Personally I'd rather see the stock corvette and frigate in their rather than the modified versions, its more canon. I dont really like the idea of 2 ints on each side, nor the imps using a bulk transport as they've got a good few specialised Imp only transports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisMiggell Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Well, i''ve had games last over 20 years by my reckoning, okay so research doesn't happen all the way through, it tends to happen at the start, but do you really want to play with most of the same ships from before? I thought that Mask had found a way to reduce the poly count? We're not going to rip off models, we're going to ask if we can use them, and fully credit all our sources. Would you define canon, i'm begining to see a problem here. Lots of people say, oh this is canon, or this isn't. Do you mean canon as in what appeared in the films, which Lucas wrote. Do you mean canon from the books, which Lucas approved? Or do you mean canon from the computer games which Lucas also approved? Or canon from the West End Games source books, which Lucas approved? Or is there another source that you mean? Elvismiggell. Strike me down and i will become more powerful than you can ever imagine... Nu kyr'adyc, shi taab'echaaj'la Not gone, merely marching far away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gank Posted December 30, 2002 Author Share Posted December 30, 2002 I want to play with the ships that actually fought in the thrawn trilogy, not ones that appeared 20 years down the road. If the tc was set in the njo period and people wanted to included trade federation ships I'd be against that too. I've no problem with changing all the ships but most of the ships in the original line up are the ones that are mentioned in the thrawn trilogy books I have a number of poly chopping programs on my hd but reducing a 20k model to 2k is not as simple as it sounds. Most of the time your left with gaping mesh holes and polygons stretching off to infinity. They're simply not designed to cut things down that much. Fair enough on the asking permissions but its the first I've heard it mentioned and I was under the impression that we would be making the models ourselves, at least thats what I understood when jediigor asked me to take charge of the modelling part. What I meant by canon, quite simple: the Corellian Corvette and Nebulon B Frigate were in the films and the modified versions were not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JediIgor Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Well, I'm not against using ships that were in the Thrawn period, but some of the older ships weren't (or didn't play a big role). Plus, I think the player would be much more interested in playing if he got to research ships, instead of just jumping head-on with everything researched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gank Posted December 30, 2002 Author Share Posted December 30, 2002 Ok myself and Jedi Igor discussed the rebel side and came up with a few ideas, modified the list above. Thoughts please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisMiggell Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 Okay, the Rebs side looks pretty good now, although i'm not sure what the Nebula SD looks like, is there a link anywhere? I'd still like to see something on the Imp side that the Rebels simply cannot match on a one to one basis, so probably a Sovereign or an Eclipse class. I always found it anoying that the Rebels had something to match the SSD in the original. I don't mind them matching the SSD now because an Mc90 can, but i still want somnething that's going to take at least a couple of Mc90's to take down, or 6 or so Mc80's. Elvismiggell. Strike me down and i will become more powerful than you can ever imagine... Nu kyr'adyc, shi taab'echaaj'la Not gone, merely marching far away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gank Posted January 2, 2003 Author Share Posted January 2, 2003 MC90 take out an SSD? wtf? 90s a match for an ISD, SSD is the length of 11 ISDs. Gonna take a good few mon cals to knock one out. As for the Eclipse and Sov I wouldnt mind putting in one but the main strengths of these are their axial superlasers. Still they fit in with the timeline so I have no objections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enternamehere Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 If the SSD is made more to what are now known to be the specs, there is nothing in the Rebel fleet to match it. Look in Solo Command, it takes a huge force to attack the Iron Fist, and even then it escapes. Or the Bacta War, with the Lusankya. You can't really destroy a ship the size of a Super Star Destroyer anyways, just totally strip it down to a hulk, with the exception of an incident like the Executor crashing into the deathstar. For the life of me, I cannot remember, what made us think that we were wise and could never comprimise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisMiggell Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 I'm sorry Gank but you're wrong, I checked all my source books last night. Sansweet's encyclopaedia, the Star Wars technical journal, the Guide to ships and vehicles, and Dark Empire, all list an SSD as being 8000m long, = 8 kilometers = 5miles. An ISD is 1600m long = 1.6kilometers = 1 mile = 5x smaller than an SSD An Mc80a can match an ISD, it is slightly smaller, but has more concentrated weapons, and more shield, so it can last for longer. An Mc80b, like the Mon Remonda, was able to give an SSD a run for its money when it had an Mc80a and a couple of smaller ships with it. Therefore, an Mc90 must be at least a match for an SSD. Elvismiggell. Strike me down and i will become more powerful than you can ever imagine... Nu kyr'adyc, shi taab'echaaj'la Not gone, merely marching far away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JediIgor Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 If anyone knows whether the Rebels were building their own SSDs, we might think about adding that to our list.. otherwise, no. You must also remember that the Empire's resources were all but unlimited; they built the SSDs to show off their power. The Rebels on the other hand, had to make-do with what they had (hence the converted luxury cruisers). While an MC90 may not necessarily be able to take on an SSD, 2 of them might, and the prices will probably be reflecting that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gank Posted January 4, 2003 Author Share Posted January 4, 2003 Check out this page for SSD length http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd5mile.html but this has been debated over and over elsewhere so please dont start argueing about it here. Anyways an Mc90 is 1200m long and no matter if the SSD is 8km, 12.7km or 17.6 km its still not going to beat it. Your logic doesnt make sense, the MC90 and MC80b were both the same size and were put in service at the same time, if an 80b could not defeat an SSD with the help of an 80a (same size but less advanced) then surely an MC90 is no match for an SSD? Anyways theres no way an 80b and 80a could take on a ship 6+1/2 times their size, it simply doesnt make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK421 Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 We are going offtopic again Z'anthr saves the world. Sorry about the mess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 What's the final list then? http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pucho777 Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 (edited) RESIGNED!!! REMOVE ACCOUNT!!! Edited September 6, 2003 by Pucho777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisMiggell Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 Don't quote me numbers, otherwise 'll quote you others from another source that are different. Anyway. I'm going to compromise on this. Well, just defer to a higher authority actually. Igor, you decide. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter, so long as what we end up with is relatively balenced. Elvismiggell. Strike me down and i will become more powerful than you can ever imagine... Nu kyr'adyc, shi taab'echaaj'la Not gone, merely marching far away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pucho777 Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 (edited) RESIGNED!!! REMOVE ACCOUNT!!! Edited September 6, 2003 by Pucho777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JediIgor Posted January 10, 2003 Share Posted January 10, 2003 Are we talking about Super Star Destroyers vs MC90as here? Like Elvis said, as long as it's balanced, that's what really matters . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deXtoRious Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Somewhere in the first page someone mentioned some "other sites" and an NJO project. Could you people please give me links to their websites (I'm a newbie in Rebellion modifying)? "You do not have to understand, just obey" - Grand Admiral Thrawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deXtoRious Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 One more thing. I am more than willing to convert models for this project, but I need help on using LithUnwrap. I need to know how to reduce the polygon count in LithUnwrap, for example I have a great Eclipse II model, but it has ~10000 polygons "You do not have to understand, just obey" - Grand Admiral Thrawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mask Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Without any specific other 3D editing software it boils down to deleting litlle 'extras' that look nice, but don'T serve any real purpose for the ship.With the Eclipse I had to delete numerous little claw-like things around the engines, for example, that reduce a lot... among other things. If you use any automatic reduction tool, be sure that you don't end up with holes in your model http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5183/animated9pn.gifhttp://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1778/reloadedbannerdu8.gifhttp://www.swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 deXtoRious: The XWA NJO-Project site is at http://njoproject.skywalkeronline.net Maybe some ships like the Mediator, Viscount or Bothan Assault Cruiser won't be in the TC, but I would REALLY appreciate if someone converted their models for Rebellion. It's all hopeless but otherwise not very dramatic. - Helme Haffax Englishman: "What do you think of Modern Civilization?"Mahatma Gandhi: "That would be a good idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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