It is in some way a controversial topics, prior to you guys joining, Gonkraider and Gank used to have some discussions (here as an euphemism) about the US and the war on Iraq. It's not as much a matter of separating church from the state, but as to what the limits of the government should be of inspiring "patriotism" in their citizens. I'm against the US politics in general, and it is indeed an outrage how they start imposing the "patriotism" on their own people it's blinding them with the idyllic image of the U.S. that are good and right.