ElvisMiggell Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Glad to hear it. Elvismiggell. Strike me down and i will become more powerful than you can ever imagine... Nu kyr'adyc, shi taab'echaaj'la Not gone, merely marching far away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude22 Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 The new SW movies went under my expectation in oposite to the ST movies they were all revolutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisMiggell Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Care to explain why you were dissapointed by them? The usual Jar Jar and annoying brat theory? What did you like about the ST films? They didn't have any Jedi!!! Elvismiggell. Strike me down and i will become more powerful than you can ever imagine... Nu kyr'adyc, shi taab'echaaj'la Not gone, merely marching far away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 17, 2003 Share Posted May 17, 2003 ST is Star Trek, I presume... ST isn't comparable to SW in any way... SW is a classical story: heroes in white, the ultimate evil, knights, princesses, etc. It's all there. ST is more realistic and has a more social approach to things. By the way, if you ask me, the ST movies don't cut it with regard to the ST-series, so, for that matter, I don't really thin the ST movies were revolutions either. By the way, Elvis, what are your EpIII Theories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted May 17, 2003 Author Share Posted May 17, 2003 The new SW movies went under my expectation in oposite to the ST movies they were all revolutions.Granted, the SW prequels weren't as great as we all expected, but how are they not as good as the Star Trek movies? And how on earth are all the ST movies revolutions? SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 The new SW movies went under my expectation in oposite to the ST movies they were all revolutions.Granted, the SW prequels weren't as great as we all expected, but how are they not as good as the Star Trek movies? And how on earth are all the ST movies revolutions? I concur with your views, SOCL. Please tell us, Dude22... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_La_forge Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 I'm a ST fan too, but I really don't think, that the ST movies are such good. Patrick Steward (Cpt. Picard) was here in Hungary few months ago, and there were people asking him about the ST movies. He said that the directors really have to rest for a while, because ST is all the way down. No revolution here. Sadly. The new ST movie wasn't even released in Hungary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude22 Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 Cos i think that the Story in ST always takes u away in total diferent areas the successional film is never like the preceding one. Lets c what we have. We have the first ST we all remember with the Voyager sattelite and the perfect Robotic beings. A revolution. May be the secret birth of the Borg. We have time travels in centuries ago, the conflict with Klingones, Cardasia, Borg and many more. What do u think we have in SW that is comparable to that diversity. OK we have Jedis using the Force fighting with Light Sabers ( practically total garbage cos light is weightless so the swords wont lock when they hit each other and that light stops after 1m but i dont wanne go in that direction anymore cos ST is also unrealistic)and what I think the best actor Harrison Ford who emphasizes from the other average actors, and one conflict Imperium vs. Rebels thats all. OK it became larger with the SW I + II but there were no revolutions a simple plot no surprises no wow effects i wont go that fare and say that the films were boring cos the last quarter of an hour were interesting Jedis vs. idiot druids e.g. but sry thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_La_forge Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 I can agree, that Ep I. and II. were not revolutional. ( Except for the totally new, beutiful, artistically perfect backgrounds, like the deserts in Ep1 or the palace in Ep2) I also agree, that Harrison Ford was the only talented actor (except Lando), and all others just "grown" into their roles by the time. It's true, that the SW galaxy is more fantasy based then real, but I really don't want to compare the two worlds, because I like SW and ST too. The ST conception is based on facts, and sociological problems (altrough all races in the series behave completly like humans. Klingons are just a bit agressive, and so on. But this minor problem can be also found in SW). It's happening in our galaxy, even in our Sol system. The problems are real, difficult to solve, alot of ethic questions. There are no bad guys, and good guys at all. Not really relaxing, more interesting. SW gives more room for your imagination. It's not even placed in our galaxy. It's far away from here, with all it's tales and illusions. A place, where you can hide from your real life. Where you can see, what's right and what's wrong. It's more relaxing. Therefore everyone enjoys SW, because it's simple and amousing. ST is more for the scifi fans. So SW is breaking all scifi rules, and goes it's own way. That's why I think, SW movies are much bether than ST movs. But atleast, I'm sure ST movies aren't revolutional.Mensch! Das ist doch ein wenig übertrieben! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude21 Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 Hallo Lord_La_forge hast du bock auf ne netzwerksession? "I am growing stronger with the Force" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude22 Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 Maybe u r right and the both universes r not comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted May 19, 2003 Author Share Posted May 19, 2003 I believe LaForge put it very well in saying that ST is more scifi than SW. Lucas himself--as much as I dislike him--stated it best that Star Wars is different from all other movies and series of its kind because it is not scifi as much as it is fantasy. Though SW is classified SciFi, I consider it SciFi Legend/Fantasy. SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 (edited) Cos i think that the Story in ST always takes u away in total diferent areas the successional film is never like the preceding one. Lets c what we have. Yes, let's... because, first of all, I believe that the ST movies have a lot more in common than you are suggesting here. You want a shortlist: ST I: Higher cloudlike lifeform in space that renders the Enterprise helpless; Spock is dealing with a a Vulcan/Human identity crisisST II: Khan is an enemy of Kirk from one of the series' episodes; the Enterprise helpless without warpdrive; Saavik in a Vulcan identity crisis; Spock 'dies'ST III: Enterprise is crippled by Kruge; Kirk/McCoy and Sarek have trouble over, what else, Vulcan customs; Spock is reborn; Kirk is suspected of a crimeST IV: Spock is still suffering from his Vulcan fal-tor-pan; communication with noble lifefrom: whales; some time travel; arriving back in the twenty-third century, their ship is rendered helplessST V: Another wacko ushering all things Vulcan, this time it's Sha Ka Ree, Vulcan heaven; and of course a 'higher' lifeformST VI: Kirk is suspected of a crime again; the U.S.S. Enterprise and Excelsior are nearly rendered helplessST Generations: the Enterprise suffers so much damage that the warp core nearly breaches; we deal with a 400 year-old life form; Data has continuous identity crisesST First Contact: The entire Starfleet Armada is nearly 'rendered helpless'; more time travel; Data seems to have a continuing identity crisis; they meet a noble and 'higher' lifeform... guess who: the Vulcans!ST Insurrection: they deal with 300 year old lifeforms some moreI think the best actor Harrison Ford who emphasizes from the other average actors Just assuming this to be true for a moment, can you tell me who all those brilliant actors are in Star Trek? Moreover, what do you mean Harrison Ford emphasizes other average actors? What to think of Sir Alec Guinness, Peter Cushing, Samuel L. Jackson and Christopher Lee? Don't get me wrong, I like both SW and ST, but Lord_La_Forge is right: please, don't compare them!!! La_Forge and SOCL are right about some other stuff as well: SW is and epic tale with heroes and villains and princesses, ST is more technical and base on our own social do's and dont's... Edited May 20, 2003 by Scathane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted May 19, 2003 Author Share Posted May 19, 2003 Well put, Scath, very well put! SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 I added you name to the remark of SW being a thing of heroes, villains and princesses, SOCL. At first, I hadn't seen your post there... Anyway, I didn't post my previous post to diss ST... But, come on man, ST is good, but don't tell me all the ST-movies were all revolutions... That's over exaggerated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude22 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 U got me...plz...stop...I surrender...no no noooooooo...ah...eh... A voice from a higher being fades through time and space: "Ok let it be so in the chronicles both r not comparable SW is trashy fantasy and ST is exaggerated technical ado." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Allrighty, Dude22!!! Please guys, let's give Dude22 the warm welcome he deserves because he's one of those guys who posts the stuff that Evaders finds irritating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude22 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 ST is better than SW and u will never change my opinion. But I´m pissed off argueing... there is more revolutionary... there is a pricess with big hooters...its more fantasy its more technical...there is this there is that, its a question of liking if u like big tits I say OK knead them and have fun but dont say ST and SW r not comparable cos they r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude21 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 I also believe, that ST intligenter is than SW but in SW all is very simple so u can easyly associate with. "I am growing stronger with the Force" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_La_forge Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 I must agree with that Dude21. By the way..We had a topic for this discussion some months ago. "Star Wars v. Star Trek" But it's died because we all agreed, that we should not compare it. I browsed for it, but it seems to be deleted too. So maybe Evader does delete the dead topics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_La_forge Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Oh no. Sorry I've found it for you:http://www.swrebellion.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=140&sid=55ecac46717ecc6e1d66e2eb5f6e04d7 You should read that, Dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude21 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Ok that was just nice "I am growing stronger with the Force" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Oh no. Sorry I've found it for you:http://www.swrebellion.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=140&sid=55ecac46717ecc6e1d66e2eb5f6e04d7 You should read that, Dude. It's a restricted area. I knwo that Evaders can be strict, but I' have never thought he'd go as far as to create an Area 51 for http://swrebellion.net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_La_forge Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 He didn't. It works here, Scath. Try it to find old fashion way: Forum index-Outside Interest page 1. It's at the end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude21 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Oh no. Sorry I've found it for you:http://www.swrebellion.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=140&sid=55ecac46717ecc6e1d66e2eb5f6e04d7 You should read that, Dude. It's a restricted area. I knwo that Evaders can be strict, but I' have never thought he'd go as far as to create an Area 51 for http://swrebellion.net. Scanthane u are not as clever as u think try swrebellion.net instead and it will work "I am growing stronger with the Force" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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