AdmiralFishface Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Sorry to interrupt your little war games there, but I've got two cents around here somewhere I want to throw into the discussion. About females in Star Wars: Look at the classical trilogy, pre-special edition. If I count correctly, there are some 7-8 female characters in a total of three movies (not counting odd aliens whose gender is not clear), of which only four have dialogue: Leia, Beru, the Ion Control lady and Mon Mothma. Of these four only two are in a way important: Beru for being Luke's aunt and being partially responsible for his upbringing, and Leia, who is less important as Luke's sister or Vader's daughter or second-to-last hope for the Light Side than as primary love interest for the story. In the EU (as well as the prequels) more and more women appear. The position of women in society has become stronger since the 70s, and not every female character can be Leia, so stronger women are created. We have female Jedi, female villains, female pilots and smugglers and commandos. But somehow, it remains important that where there are men and women, romance has to occur. So once again, the women of Star Wars must obey to their biological role and become partners for their male companions. Star Wars now has more relationships than a daily soap, literally every female ever to be created has, at some point, been thrown together with any existing male. This doesn't exactly help them, for instead of being "Insert Name", they are no more than "Insert other name"'s girlfriend. Now I forgot what I wanted to say when I began writing this post, but at least I've achieved some kind of result. Good night. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/RiesstiuIV/Krempel/trapaure.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkoa Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 In an odd sort of way, that just started to look like making some sense! I agree. Look at the gender of most of the authors. If I'm not mistaken, most are male, and so thus, the roles of woman are being portrayed by males and their perception of females! "Be at peace, for the force is my ally and I shall not let anything happen out of my contol."-Barkoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Well, there is one female who didn't have a male attachment:Ysanne Isard. But then again, who would trust that icy woman. She'd turn agains you at the first sign of an advantage. EDIT:Since Barkoa bosted while I was typing, yes, most of the writers are male, but even the female writers follow the trend of males being dominant. That, and they tend to be poor writers... History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkoa Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 True. If the female writers can't stand up for dominant single women, they who can? "Be at peace, for the force is my ally and I shall not let anything happen out of my contol."-Barkoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar_Magic Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Eccentric Male Writers? Forum and RPG Membership:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/StellarMagic01/RaporaWarsTC.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/StellarMagic01/RaporaWarsRPG2.jpg Signature:Sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from Magic. -Arthur C. Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkoa Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 hmmmm.... stellar... how many of them are floating around?? "Be at peace, for the force is my ally and I shall not let anything happen out of my contol."-Barkoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 about 100 on this forum only no offence http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIIIC Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Well, there is one female who didn't have a male attachment:Ysanne Isard. But then again, who would trust that icy woman. She'd turn agains you at the first sign of an advantage. I thought it was the emperor??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 ...literally every female ever to be created has, at some point, been thrown together with any existing male. Just as in real life, you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Well, not every female get together with a male. Some remane single, some choose another female. It is not, however, that odd. The SW books follow the "nuclear family" model. There aren't any single people. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Sien Sovv the supreme commander of the Republic fleet is a single as is Ackbar but it appears none of the main characters are singles. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkoa Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 Mad? Are you making fun of me? 100 eccentric males in this forum! How many of your novels have single main character females? "Be at peace, for the force is my ally and I shall not let anything happen out of my contol."-Barkoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 (edited) 100 eccentric males in this forum! How many of your novels have single main character females? I'm quite fond of a series of books by author Steven Erikson. They're fantasy books, but not your standard "Longarrow" type (by that I mean, you won't find an elven character [or any elves for that matter. He creates his own races] with the name Longarrow or any others with such fanciful names). There are plenty of characters in those books who are single. A very good series. But this isn't the forum for such talk.I may have missunderstood your question though, Barkoa. Edited September 6, 2004 by Grand_Admiral_Thrawn History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralFishface Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 100 - maybemales - yup, mostlyeccentric - checkwriters? - ah, there's the problem. we need more writers http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/RiesstiuIV/Krempel/trapaure.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Do we know for sure that all or most of the writers are male? Sometimes women use a male pseudonym, don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Perhaps But i don't see what the interest would be. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 (edited) Well, if most readers are male, it may well be that they are more reluctant to read a book written by a woman. Edited September 6, 2004 by Scathane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 That's an intersting point. There may be some of the lesser-known writers who are female, and we don't even know it. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Possible. But i don't know for you but I am not macho to the point that i make sure the book I am reading is writen by a man and not a women. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 I doubt you are but still, it's known to happen this way as well as vice versa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 If our society has fallen so low. I say as long as a book is good I don't see why you shouldn't read it. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 There are some people who read books from a particular gender simply because they feel that a female/male writer portrays characters that they themselves can relate to. I personally enjoyed the Star Wars novels written by men far more than those written by women. It's all in the way they are worded and presented.That's not to say I won't read books by women, butto date I've not enjoyed such books to the same degree as those authored by men. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Maybe also because some books written by men have actually better scenarios.No offence to all the women out there. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkoa Posted September 6, 2004 Author Share Posted September 6, 2004 I read a book usually based on recommendation, or the blurb on the back. I'm not gender-concerned, but I have noticed generally that males are better. But that is just general.[/i] "Be at peace, for the force is my ally and I shall not let anything happen out of my contol."-Barkoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 (edited) It's more a psychological thing, which we all, more or less, are victim to. We don't make such a choice consciursly but it's there nevertheless. Edited September 7, 2004 by Scathane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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