Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted August 22, 2004 Posted August 22, 2004 I think GL was just trying to make is sound mystical. "The one who will be really strong with the force" isn't as impressive as "will bring balance to". History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.
Trejiuvanat Posted August 22, 2004 Posted August 22, 2004 Good point, plus it's another pressure on Anakin, and yet one more choice made for him. He did not have a choice when it came to become a Jedi or not, he just had and become one role-model Jedi which he was not. http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif
Barkoa Posted August 23, 2004 Author Posted August 23, 2004 But if you have the force, you don't and shouldn't have much of a choice. Anakin would be heaps worse if he hadn't been taken as a jedi because he could have used his powers without anyone moderating him "Be at peace, for the force is my ally and I shall not let anything happen out of my contol."-Barkoa
Guest Scathane Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 Do you think his powers would have developed in that case?
Mad78 Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 I think the pwers devellop he just would have to learn how to use them. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 I don't think they would be as strong, and he would only be able to perform the most basic of force abilities, like moving things telekinetically (sp?), or maybe give people a mental push in the diraction he want. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.
Guest Scathane Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 On the other hand, there are other self-trained Jedi, such as Kyle Katarn... and what to think of Palpatine?
Mad78 Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 Palpatine was so powerful in the force that he must have had a master. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance
Guest Scathane Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 The point is, he didn't have one. He unlocked his force powers through an ancient jedi holocron... Palpatine in the starwars.com databank
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 The Emperor still had help, in the form of the Holocron, and then through the teachings of the Sith. Had Vader not been tutored by the Jedi and then turned, he wouldn't have had the same strenght.katarn wasn't self-trained, I think he had some training with Luke, but gave up the way of the Jedi. The game doesn't follow the plot line of the graphic novel exactley. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.
dmfitz29 Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 Katarn used the Valley though, much like the Emeror used the holocron. They were both, to some extent, self trained, but Kyle did go through a formal jedi training for alittle bit with Luke.
Barkoa Posted August 24, 2004 Author Posted August 24, 2004 Kyle didn't have training as such, but much more guidance. I think Palpatine had the same situation. He didn't necessarily have a master as such as much as guidance from the holocron etc. He does have some mad skillz, so what I want to know is how noone ever found him out. Surely SOMEONE would have noticed a change in him! "Be at peace, for the force is my ally and I shall not let anything happen out of my contol."-Barkoa
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 The thing that sets Palpatine apart from the rest of the bad guys we see in movies is that he's got the power, ruthlessness and smarts, all rolled into one package. Vader was imposing and powerful, but he wasn't the smartest cookie. Heck, even Thrawn didn't have it all. Take away his troops and ships, and you've got a regular man. The Emperor could kill you no matter how the fight was sided.To answer the question, no one discovered him because he had a plan. He knew that if there was any visable change in the way he acted he would never be allowed to rise to the position of Chancellor, so he played it cool and twisted the cause of the good guys to his own purposes. He avoided being discovered by the Jedi by not using the Force, and suppressing his presence there (we''ve seen that done in the books), and used other Jedi to do his dirty work. By the time his plan was clear, it was too late. I'd like to learn more about his discovery of the holocron, how he grew so powerful in the force, and how he was turned to the dark side. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.
bobandrubert Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 I think becase I don't know who master Syfo-Deas (sorry about spelling) was I think he is acctully palpatine.
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 (edited) Maybe GL planns on contradicting the Database and have it so that Palpy was said master, and changed his idendtity to continue his planns for domination. Or, maybe he was just as they said, a Jedi master who was sucked in to Palpatines web, or Dooku's, and paid the ultimate price for it... or maybe he was Palpatines Master and was killed by his apprentice, since that's how the sith work. EDIT:There, fixed. gninrom siht cixelsid m'I. Edited August 24, 2004 by Grand_Admiral_Thrawn History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.
Guest Scathane Posted August 24, 2004 Posted August 24, 2004 Maybe GL planns on contradicting the Database and have it so that Palpy was said master, and changed his idendtity to continue his planns for domination. Or, maybe he was just as they said, a Jedi master who was sucked in to Palpatines web, or Dukoo's, and paid the ultimate price for it... or maybe he was Palpatines Master and was killed by his apprentice, since that's how the sith work. Who's Dukoo?!
Mad78 Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 Indeed! Who was Syfo Dias?We was the head of the Jedi council. He died ten years before the events of EpII. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance
ADarkJedi44 Posted August 25, 2004 Posted August 25, 2004 Scath you're really taking over for SOCL aren't you? Sweat saves blood-Erwin Rommel
Bill Posted August 26, 2004 Posted August 26, 2004 Qui-Gon is my favorite, because he's alot like me, he bucks the system, he tries different things, he goes his own way. By the way Qui-Gon is Syfo Dias. The force is strong in my family. No, Luke, I am your father.
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted August 26, 2004 Posted August 26, 2004 And how do you know that. That doesn't seem to fit, since why would Qui-Gon order a clone army? History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.
ADarkJedi44 Posted August 26, 2004 Posted August 26, 2004 Qui-Gon is Sifo Dias? Qui-Gon was never part of the Jedi council, and how would you possibly know that anyways Sweat saves blood-Erwin Rommel
Krytos Posted August 26, 2004 Posted August 26, 2004 Found this on the TCUSWE:Sifo-Dyas it was believed that this being - a Jedi Knight of small renown - placed the first order for the cloned soldiers developed by the Kaminoans for the Army of the Republic. The order was placed around the time of the Battle of Naboo, directly to Lama Su himself, despite the fact that Master Sifo-Dyas was supposedly dead at that time. The Kaminoans believed that Master Sifo-Dyas hand-picked Jango Fett to serve as the genetic basis for the clone army, admiring his bounty hunting skills, discpline, and incredible attention to details Dyas was one of my favourite twists in Episode II. Why would a Jedi order a clone army? Better yet, how could he if he were dead?Hopefully we get a nice answer to this rather than something simple or out of place. http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1778/reloadedbannerdu8.gifhttp://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1333/3dartistbanneranimationws1.gifhttp://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4026/rebellionbannerdi2.gif
Guest Scathane Posted August 26, 2004 Posted August 26, 2004 Scath you're really taking over for SOCL aren't you? You must mean taking over from SOCL...
Trejiuvanat Posted August 26, 2004 Posted August 26, 2004 Sifo-Dyas ... The Kaminoans believed that Master Sifo-Dyas hand-picked Jango Fett to serve as the genetic basis for the clone army, admiring his bounty hunting skills, discpline, and incredible attention to details It was Dooku who did that, Dooku was the one who approached Jango in the moons, of who-knows-where and sent him to Kamino. So is Dooku Syfo-Dias? Other said that the original script said Sydo-Dias... From Sydo-Dias to Sidious there isn't a great difference... http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif
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