Defender_16

Well that's not so bad. One of my art teachers in high school traded stocks online durring class instead of actually seeing what the students were doing. Through some twist of fate he was rumored to have later suffered a nervous breakdown following the tech crash months later.

Oh no! Don't call forth Trogdor the spaminator! ...er I mean Burninator. Man... I've been dragged down to spamming. This is a new personal low for me. I need to go sleep this off.

It's stated many times through the expanded universe that even before she found out Luke was her brother, Leia knew that she was adopted. Infact, it was public knowledge that she was adopted. There are a couple explanations for this. 1) George Lucas screwed up (again) and their mother was supposed to live longer in hiding for a few years. Age three would be about the right time for Leia to remember anything about her mother. 2) Leia has an incredibly better memory than Luke. 3) Obiwan dropped Luke on his way to giving him to Owen and Beru. // He was whacked upside the head when he was little. EDIT: Found this too.

I has this conversation with my sister as we were coming out of the Movie theatre. Along with: Where were the Victory Destroyers!?

Normally twice a day, unless I'm working on a long post and Editing it as I find stuff online.

You knew somone was going to ask for it at some point, so it might a well be now then we can forget about it for a few months. http://impstherelentless.com/images/CH1_art_con_LRG_013.jpg http://impstherelentless.com/images/CH1_art_con_LRG_013.jpg (Link incase above img get direct link killed.) http://impstherelentless.com/images/CH1_art_con_LRG_014.jpg http://impstherelentless.com/images/ch1_visframe_lrg015.jpg http://impstherelentless.com/tek9.asp?pg=chapter1_art

OMG... I just looked through the concept art. These guys are insanely good. ( I want one of those Star Destroyer types!)

Anyone that's played long games as the Empire knows that sometimes it's hard to come up with names for your ships off the top of your head. More so with Star Destroyer names as it's just plain messy to have your ships running arround with only numbers. A name can inspire fear in your enemy and can make it easier to remember what taskforce was where if you Identify with them. So I've decided to compile a list, not only of official ship names but also ones that sound like they would fit that kind of ship. (This could be handy not only for the Game but for any Fan Fiction writers as well.) [i always name my Destroyers, even when their cost is set to 1, simply for the coolness. ] I'll be listing in alphabetical order and putting the official ones in among the others. (I'll add more each day.) (T) -Thrawn, Served as part of the Grand Admiral's fleet (V) -Vader, Part of the infamous Death Squadron (D) -Dalla, Was part of this admiral's fleet at one time. (Emp) -Assigned to the protection of the Emperor (SSD) -specific class type of ship (ISD) -specific class type of ship (ISDII) -specific class type of ship (NR) - New Republic Ship Any ship with this information next to it is from one of the official ship lists, unless there is a * next to that info. In which case that info is merely a suggestion for what it would best suit. General Destroyer listing (Note: I took most of these quickily out of a Dictionary so there may be spelling mistakes.) Aardwolf Abandon Abater Abdicator Abductor Abeyance Abhorance Abhorrent Abirritant Ablaze Abolisher Abolition Abominable Abrogate Absolution Absolute Absolver Abstainer Abstention Accession Acclaimator Accoster Accumulator Accuser (V) Adament (T) Adarga Admonitor (T) Adjucator (V) Agonizer Ambient Ambition Ambitious Ambush Amenable Amethist Amir Amoral Amulet Anarchic Anathema Angel of Death Anguish Annex Antagonizer Apocalypse (SSD*) Apogee Appaller / Apauler Appointive Apprentice Approximation Aquaria Arcane Arcanum Archabgel Arcturus Ardency Ardent Argent Argentine Armageddon (SSD*) Arrestor Arsenal Arterial Artifice Ascendant Ascension ( / Ascention ?sp?) Ashen Aspiration Aspirator Assassin Assaulter Astonisher Atavist Atomizer Atonal Atonement Atrocious Atrophic Attainer Attainment Attribution Attrition Aurora (NR*) Auspicious Austerity Autocracy Autonomous Avarice (ISDII) Avenger (V) (ISDII) Aversion Avion (VSD*) Avocation Azimuth Bacchanal Bacillas Bail Organa (NR) Balista Banefull Banshee Barbarian Basilica Basilisk (D) (ISD) Bastion Battle Cry Beast (SSD*) Belladon Bellicose (T) Belligerant Bereavement Beserker Betrayer Bias Bier Billow Binary Black Snake Black Widow Blade of the Empire Blastwave Blitz Bludgeon Blunt Bluster Boundless Bracer Braggart Brandish Brawl (SSD) AKA IRON FIST Brevity Brigader Brigantine Brilliance Brimstone Broadside Broadsword Bronze Blood Brusque Cabal Cadaverous Cadent Callus Calumny Cannonade Capella Capricious Captivate Carnage Casern Cataclysm Catalysis Cauldron Caustic Cavalcade Centaur Centurion Certiude Chalice Challenger Chamfer Champion Chancellor Chariot Charisma Chimera (V) (T) (ISDII) Chronicle Cleaver Clinical Coagulation Cobalt Coescion Collusion Combatant Comet Compatriot Conquest (ISD) Courageous (T) Death's Head (T) Devastator (V) (ISD) Direption (ISDII) Emperor's Will Evicerator (ISDII) Firestorm Glory Grisnal (I) Gorgon (D) (ISD) Grey Wolf (T) Hammer Hydra (D) (ISD) Immortal Imperator Inexorable Interrogator (ISDII) Invincible Judicator (T) Leonides Majestic (Emp) Malice Manticore (D) (ISD) Monarch Moonshadow (ISDII) (NR) Nemesis (T) Premptory (T) Pulsar (Emp) Punisher Reckoning (ISDII) Relentless (T) Resolution (T) Stalker (V) (ISDII) Steadfast Stormhawk (T) Tyrant (V) (ISD) Vanguard (Emp) Vengance Virulience (ISDII) Whirlwind EDIT: Added some more to the top of the 'A' list. (Later) And added some 'C' to the list.

NOOES!!!11one NOTMYBRAINS! Anyways. I though the Bush one was funny as heck. Halliburton. Classic.

Most energy slots I've ever had was 25 on Coruscant because I increased the number of buildings the planet would have at the start of the game. I tend to do the same thing with the Rebel Capital as well.

First make backup copies of your save games and put thise in a different folder. Then post this program in the Save game folder. Run it just like before and where is says "type file name" just post the name of one of your save games you would like to see how the other side is doing on. Simpe. BUT! You can't effect the game when running it in traitor mode except to adjust the time speed. YOu have to post the old save game back into the save folder. (Lost SOoo many kick ass games because I didn't back it up before running Traitor.) There should be an older thread about the program somewhere arround here.

Really?! MUAHAHAHAHAA!!! Man... now I need to figure out some in game stats for this thing. It's not that strong in terms of weapons, it's just got incredible carrying capacity and durability. The problem with figuring out stats is going to be that these things varry in size so much. From the more numerous 10 km ones to the larger ones like that found above Myrkr which was "the size of a Death Star."

Man I just tried that Lantern game. It's addictive. I'm still not that good though. Can only make 7100 points. Question: Is that "boy" flash your revenge for my really bad Joiner King joke?

Still can't believe that whole thing with Zekk and Jania. ... Now they're doing the jitterbug! http://www.wphsalumni-1961.com/goldenoldies/images/jitterbug.jpg *Crowd groans*

I would SO go to that website DarthTofu. I even clicked the link just to make sure it wasnt real.

Ohtehnoes! It's a double post! ( The Sacreliege of double posting is worse for me as I used to be a forum moderator. BUT! This topic's going to die if I don't. ) Ok I've been working out possible invasion strategies and more importantly; The Big and small players of the New Sith Order conflict. -The Empire One of those well of course! things. The size of the Imperial starfleet has already been mentioned several times in this thread. 24 Star Destroyers and many smaller ships per sector fleet, totaling 25,000 destroyers across the galaxy. No telling how many of those destroyers were assigned to oversectors though. The Emperor maintains his secret stronghold on Byss where a sizeable reserve fleet waits while he rules from Coruscant itself. Occasionally Palpatine may "Go on vacation" to Byss where many of the new sith are trained in seclusion. The Sith Temples of Yavin also provide a training ground for the Dark side adept. The Death Star which was completed at Endor is still a major symbol of the power of the Empire but it is not lightly flaunted. At most times the Station is hidden away at secure locations but occasionally is brought out to show people that it is still a threat. Many of the other super weapons developed over the years remain unused and secured where only Palpatine may have access to them. Super Star Destroyers of many types are deployed at several places throught the galaxy. Each Grand Admiral has access to one and many of the Grand Moffs do as well. -The Chiss Imperium Maintaining their hold over much of the Unknown Regions, the Chiss continue to remain hidden away from the rest of the Galaxy. Thrawn remains an important figurehead for his people and has recruited many of the best officers he can find from through the galaxy to help the Chiss hold back the untold horrors that lurk arround their space. Barron Soontir Fel and his family dissapeared shorly after a conversation with Thrawn and are presumably in Chiss space. -Yuuzhan Vong The Invading species from beyond the Galaxy has been preparing for invasion for nearly half a century. With Advanced spies like Nom Anor infiltrating the various major groups for as early as fifteeen years before the invasion, the Vong know what to expect. Though more than prepared to fight the Imperial forces head on the Warrior Caste has been ordered to work heavily with the deception sect to find ways of destroying their enemy from within to conserve their forces for fighting in the Core. -Corporate Sector Authority(CSA) The government of the Corporate Sector is as corrupt as they come and would be more than happy to help hunt down Force users, dark or light, that ended up in their space. Much of their older military hardware has a tendancey dissapear, finding their way into the hands of pirates mercenaries or Rebels. Dozens of Assault Frigates are rumored to have been built for Rebel groups in the outlying parts of the sector. Though supposedly loyal to the Emperor, the CSA has proven time and again it is after money first. -Hutts Much like the CSA the Hutts are more concerned about money than what happens to the rest of the galaxy. Controlling most of the rebuilt Black Sun organization, organized crime and illicet materials smuggeling has never thrived before as it does now. With the Empire starting to encroach more and more on their space and the cost of Palpatine's bribes slowly increasing, some Hutts have taken up paying off Rebel groups in attempts to distract the Imperals. -The Peace Brigade A Collaborationist organization built up by infiltrators like Nom Anor leading up to the invasion. This group is made up of many disparate elements with sometimes conflicting or competing goals. Pirates, mercenaries, Rebels and criminals all have a place in this group. Most are simply looking to hurt the Empire that hurt them in the past but some join thinking to be spared if the Yuuzhan Vong eventually win. -Rebel Alliance A scattered group of peoples who have become little more than Pirates to the Imperial Forces. Lead by Garm Bel Iblis this group has been known to be a severe nusance and can take days or weeks to drive out of sectors at times. This group hold the last few Mon Calamari Cruisers built before the planet was captured, as well as much of the former Katana Fleet. More than a few Imperial Officers have defected to this group with their Star Destroyers over the years but the numbers remain miniscule. -Hapes Cluster Hapes continues to maintain it's nutrality in the galaxy though anti-Jedi and Sith feelings still continue on. By Fleet mandate, any Imperial ship that enters Hapan space is to be considered lost no matter the situation. No attempts to recover ships that stray into the region are to ever take place. The Queen mother of Hapes maintains contact with the Emperor and they maintain a non agression pact. Any ship entering the others territory is considered an act by a rouge commender. Hapes pays an annual tribute to the Empire in return for this arrangement. EDIT: Decided to respond to some stuff above. Kre'Fey's skill level and morality seemed to change per author. I have to admit though that while he might not have been as impressive from a Command standpoint I was prepared to accept that because he was much less experienced compared to some of the others like Iblis and Antillies. The term "Adaquate" comes to mind. The fact that I didn't end up hating him as much as I do most Bothans was a real plus though. Yes, GAT is right, the Rebel fleet at Sullust was the same that attacked the Death Star. It's stated in many sources that the Soro Suub Corp/Government allowed the Alliance to stage from their planet as their main contribution to the opertaion. ( Mon Mothma would be so dead. I wouldn't even give her 1:100 odds she'd even make it to an escape pod. ) There is a chance, however small, that some ships could have escaped Endor if it turned into a disater for the rebels. As I said above I wouldn't guess that any more than 5 starfighters and mabey a Corvette would escape. The fighters with the best chance at 'getting the heck out of dodge' would be A-Wings which gives Tycho a slim chance of survival. (He Survived Endor and Bakura in an A-wing in the regular series, I think he has a chance.) I like it. It's an apt analogy. This seems to fit well with everything else we know about the Expanded universe. This is a trickey one. I'm thinking that the Chiss would for the most part remain a semi-independant state alligned with The Empire. The Chiss would be used as the Empire's shield against all of the horrible little disasters that would come into the galaxy that hide in the Unknown regions. ...Effectively throwing aliens at a problem so the Empire doesnt have to deal with it. And there's tons of more sith arround now if you don't have Skywalker and his Jedi Ilk running arround killing them all to "save" the galaxy. Alpha Red as it became known was developed though a number of means. One of the primary research leaders on all things Vong was Danni Qui who stands a Very good chance of getting killed in the initial invasion as Jacen Solo rescued her. I'm not saying that some other force user couldn't rescure her in time but it's doubtful a Sith would. We need you to keep coming up with these great points GAT. (I need to know what a problem is before I try to solve it. ) Continuing. You still need time to deploy all of those forces. The Imperials have good response times but much of that is based on good communications. Like the Holo Net. What happens when you have rogue groups systematically targeting the communications relays and destroying them? Yes there will still be an incredibly large response but it might be delayed days of even a few weeks because of being out of contact. (Have to practice typing faster this is taking forever.) More tomorrow! Getting into the actual possible invasion strategy. If anyone has an idea on how to make the coflict more prolonged and destructive (but still give the Empire the ability to totally pwn everyone) It'd be great to hear.

Ok I'm finally going to post some of my ideas on what would happen. Unfortunately I've been so busy I haven't really been able to analyse the full extent of the war. There are always people Like Viqi Shesh arround... heyyyy.... She could actually be alive in this timeline and still be very well placed. Kuat was very powerfull when the Empire was in power. Perhaps even more so than it was to the NR in it's war against the Vong. To show I don't play favourites I've designed a new fighter for the Empire. Though my intent is to still find a way to have as large a war as in the NJO, the Imperials need their XJ3 equivilant in the timeline. http://web.ripnet.com/~jdprosper/tie_gauntlet%20Small.GIF (I think the imps would like these things because you can just choose to not produce many of the modules and it's just your basic style cheap TIE Craft. Fast as an A-Wing but still a tin can. ) Wow, where to begin. Chronological order would be best I'm guessing. The Empire wins the Battle of Endor. However this battle turns out atleast some rebels are going to escape, (not many but some.) Mabey say 5 of them in starfighters. (A-Wings) The Rebellion, though defeated would simply go underground and essentially become the equivilant of one of the many pirate bands throught the galaxy. (I'm reminded of the pirate groups in I,Jedi.) I have no comment on what would happen to Luke, Leia, Han and the rest for now. There is no garuntee that the Empire would have gained the Entrenchment technology from defeating the Ssi-Ruuvi. Most of the damage done to the Ssi-Ruuvi Imperium was by the Chiss E.D.F. when their borders (most likely) came under attack. The Empire may have continued on into Ssi-Ruuvi space and conquered them but they would have probably tried to destroy their technology lest their enemy use it on them. Like most exotic technologies some or most of it would have ended up at the Mount Tantiss storehouse. Even with some of it recovered, I don't think this tech would have become very widespread, as the Emperor might want to keep it for himself in ways to prolong his life. (Or the lives of choice followers.) I also agree that Palpatine would begin constructing a New Sith Order much along the lines of what was said above by others. He would certainly have many of people to choose from. Mara Jade would essentially remain the puppet she was and Kam would keep his old job. Dathomir would continue to be a source to draw dark side adepts from with the large population of Witches there. The Rebellion would continue in the outer rim territories and some remote locations but I don't think the Empire would (need to) resort to totaly erasing any more species. Even durring the Krytos Virus outbreak Isard had been planning to contain select populations of certain species that had proven useful in labour such as Wookies and Sullustans. The Bothans on the otherhand I doubt would be as lucky as Isard considered them a primary target for extermination. I can easily see an area about the size of the Imperial Remnant becoming a Rebel stronghold arround Mon Cal. Of course that entire area would have been crushed by the Imperials several times. Everyone would just scatter and stay hidden except for raiding. I feel confident that Vader would have been able to deal with the Mount Tantiss incident with Jorus C'boath (sp?) or perhaps Palpatine had him created on purpouse? Who knows, but most of the more serious incidents through the galaxy that plagued the NR would have been taken care of by the Empire easily. Droid fighters would be introduced on a massive scale but these would be more suplemental, similar to how they were used by Zinj. One human pilot and a Droid wingmate which would shadow and cover them. Certain Elite Units would be upgraded with TIE Defenders and Avengers. Gun and missile boats would undergo a resurgance in the support role and Skipray blastboats would also be numerous. The Empire's missile production would remain mostly focused on Concussion missiles rather than Torpedos much as it has always been. At this point infiltration of the galaxy begins. Vong Infiltrators would have an easy time infiltrating the Rebel factions, Hutt Syndicates or Black Sun and even the Empire. Unless they were to come into close contact with a Dark Jedi there isn't much that would give them away. In the event a Vong was ever seen without an Oooglith Masquer it would look like "Just another Alien" to most imperials. In a worst case secnario the infiltrator would kill themselves before any information could be wrouight out of them. When the invasion finally began, all the Vong would need to do is close off the nearby sectors quickily enough to stop communications from getting out. Nom Anor's sucess in the anti-Jedi Peace Brigade could be just as effective when used against the populations of the empire. From what I can tell from my analysis, if the Vong succeeded at having the rebellion and other groups take down parts of the holonet they might be able to take most if not all of the Imperial Remnant and be most of the way to Garqi before an Imperial force could be assembled that actually knew what they would be going up against. Bastion and Yaga Minor would be hit hard and fast for sure. Well timed uprisings in other parts of the out rim by systems sympathetic to the Rebellion might be able to through enough confusion into the mix to give the Vong the foothold they need. The Corporate Sector is yet another Wild Card along with the Hutts. The CSA went so far as to openly aid the Peace Brigade in the NJO at times. Former Rebels looking for any way to hurt the Empire would carry with them enough Combat and Command experiance the shape the Brigade into a fighting force far more dangerous than it was in the NJO. In books like Destiny's way and later we saw that the Vong were more than willing to suplement their forces with Brigader and Mercenary units wehen they began to take losses. With the Vong spreading anti-Imperial propaganda that they were "Liberating" worlds from the Empire a whole new wave of Galactic Civil War could erupt. With Rebel forces springing up while the brigade and Vong mainfleets cut an invasion route toward the core. Some rebel groups might not be actively helping the Vong but instead trying to carve out their own areas. This scattering would start to strain the Empires resources, slowly but steadily. Super Star Destroyers though would be numerous enough by that time to be deployed one to each major crisis. Say 30-50 SSD's maximum through the fleet. (OMG Ive been typing and copying for an hour and a half now. X_x ) I've got more arguments for both sides and a niftly little story sequence if I ever get it finished.

Dear Mother of God! What super modeling inducing drug are you taking because I want some. Seriously this is crazy good. Have you tested weather the Drive engine light... thingy shows up well in game yet? (Man I'm busy with my job now. I should probably stop trying to play Fable. )

I've tested out my windows sound recorder and come to the conclusion that I would make a poor voice actor. I could probably play a junior bridge officer but that'd be it. My voice just isn't "Aged" sounding enough for C'baoth. EDIT: Also for some reason the volume is always too quiet when I play it back.

Man... I've never actually played against the computer with the ability to build TIE Defenders and SSD's before. I normally have all of the enemy shipyards destroyed by day 1500 at the latest and galaxy wide blockading begins by day 1700. And that's after starting with only 1 sector before. So really I don't have as much experiance as I should in dealing with the A.I. and its tactics. The AI defends Coruscant with everything it can. That's fine except I take Coruscant by day 800-900 and with it the Imperial fleet if I'm playing the rebels. And if I play as the Empire... well lets just say: http://dmeb.net/dveb/sounds/forgivin.wav ( And I'm the Emperor ) I dunno if i'd be a very good candidate for this since I have alot less free time than I used to. It would be cool to try out though.

I just have Windows media player. Anyidea where I could get the right kind of recording software now that I have a working mic?

I'll respond to this topic after it's been moved to the proper forum section. This would fit under Outside Intrests. EDIT: ty (x)Pirates of the Caribbean ( )Boondock Saints ( )The Mexican ( )Fight Club (x)Starsky and Hutch (/)Neverending Story ( )Blazing Saddles (Saw part of it when I was 5) ( )Garden State ( )The Princess Bride ( )Young Frankenstien ( )AnchorMan ( )Napoleon Dynamite ( )Saw ( )White noise (x)White Oleander ( ) Anger Management total here : 2.5 ( ) 50 First Dates ( ) Jason X ( )Scream ( )Scream 2 ( )Scream 3 (x)Scary Movie ( )Scary Movie 2 ( )Scary Movie 3 ( )American Pie ( )American Pie 2 ( )American Wedding (x)Harry Potter (x)Harry Potter 2 ( )Harry Potter 3 ( )Resident Evil I ( )Resident Evil 2 ( )The Wedding Singer ( )Little Black Book total here: 3 (x)The Village (4 star!) ( )Donnie Darko ( )Lilo & Stitch ( )Finding Nemo (x)Finding Neverland ( )13 Ghosts ( )Signs ( )The Grinch ( )Texas Chainsaw Massacre ( )White Chicks ( )Butterfly Effect ( )Thirteen going on 30 ( )Dodgeball (x)Universal Soldier ( )A Series Of Unfortunate Events ( ) Along Came A Spider (x)Deep impact total here: 4 ( )KingPin ( )Never Been Kissed ( )Meet The Parents ( )Meet the Fockers ( )Eight Crazy Nights ( )A Cinderella Story ( )The Terminal ( )The Lizzie McGuire Movie ( )Passport to Paris ( )Dumb & Dumber ( )Dumb & Dumberer ( )Final Destination ( )Final Destination 2 ( )Halloween ( )The Ring ( ) The Ring 2 ( )Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle ( )Practical Magic (x) Chicago ( )Ghost Ship ( )From Hell (x)Hellboy ( )Secret Window (dammit I keep forgetting to see this) ( )I Am Sam (x)The Whole Nine Yards ( )The Whole Ten Yards ( )The Day After Tomorrow ( )Child's Play ( )Bride of Chucky ( )Ten Things I Hate About You ( )Just Married ( )Gothika ( )Nightmare on Elm Street ( )Sixteen Candles (X)Bad Boys (x)Bad Boys 2 ( )Joy Ride - its called a different name here tho ( )Seven (SE7EN) (What is this?) (x)Oceans Eleven (x)Oceans Twelve ( )identity total here : 6 ( )Lone Star ( )Predator I ( )Predator II (x)Independence day ( )Cujo ( )Bronx Tale ( )Darkness Falls ( )Christine (x)ET ( )Children of the Corn ( )My boss' daughter ( )Maid in Manhattan ( )Frailty ( )Best bet ( )how to Lose a Guy in 10 Days ( )She's All That ( )Calendar Girls (x)sideways (x)Mars Attacks total here:7 (x)Event Horizon (/)Ever after (x)Forrest Gump ( )Big Trouble in Little China (x)X-men 1 ( )X-men 2 (X)Catch Me If You Can ( )The Others ( )Freaky Friday ( )Reign of Fire ( )The Hot Chick ( )Swimfan ( )Miracle ( )Old School (/) Ray ( )The Notebook ( )K-Pax total here: 5-ish (x)Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (x)Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (x)Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King ( )A Walk to Remember ( )Boogeyman ( )Hitch ( )Back Door Sluts 9 ( ) Anal Acres 1 ( ) Anal Acres 2 ( ) B-Cup Divas (x)The Fifth Element (x)Star Wars episode I The Phantom Menace ( Burn ) (x)Star Wars episode II Attack of The Clones (Out my) (x)Star Wars episode III Revenge of The Sith ( Eyes ) (x)Star Wars episode IV A New Hope (x)Star Wars episode V The Empire Strikes Back (x)Star Wars episode VI Return of The Jedi... ( )Troop Beverly Hills ( )Swimming with Sharks (x)Air Force One ( )For Richer or Poorer ( )Trainspotting ( )People under the stairs ( )Blue Velvet (x)Sound of music (X)Parent Trap (Both versions) ( )The Burbs (X)The Terminator ( )Empire Records ( )SLC Punk ( )Meet Joe Black ( )Wild girls ( )A Clockwork Orange ( )the Order (x)Spiderman ( )Spiderman 2 ( )Mean Girls (x)Shrek (x)Shrek 2 (x)The Incredibles ( )Collateral ( )The Fast & The Furious ( ) 2 Fast 2 Furious ( )Sky Captain & The World of Tomorrow ( )Closer ( )Big Money Hustlas total here : 17 (x)Titanic ( )Saved ( )Bowling For Columbine (Dammit! This was going to be on TV, I forgot again!) (x)Farenheit 9/11 (x)The Sixth Sense (x)Artificial intelligence (AI) ( ) Love actually ( )Shutter ( )Ella Enchanted ( )Princess diaries 1 ( )Princess diaries 2 ( )Constantine ( )Million Dollar Baby ( )Envy ( )Eurotrip ( ) Malibu's Most wanted (x)Big Daddy ( )Black Sheep ( ) The Breakfast Club ( )West side story (x)Little Nicky total here :6 (x)A Christmas Story ( )Spanglish ( )Pulp Fiction ( )Sleepover ( ) Evil Dead ( )Killer Klowns From Outer Space ( )The seed of chucky ( )Vanilla Sky (x) Nightmare Before Christmas ( )Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind ( ) Interview with a Vampire ( )The Crow ( )Purple Rain ( )Reservoir Dogs (x)Wayne's World total here : 3 (x)Wayne's World 2 ( )21 Grams ( )Blow (x)Edward Scissorhands ( )Clerks (x)beauty and the beast ( )Guess Who ( )monster in-law ( )ELF ( )stuart little ( )stuart little 2 ( )Mall Rats ( )Chasing Amy ( )Dogma (x)Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back total here : 4 (x)Beetlejuice ( )Last Samurai ( )The Amityville Horror (x)The Aviator (x)Romeo and Juliet (Which one? ) ( )beauty shop (x)legally blonde ( )legally blonde 2 (X)the forgotten ( )confessions of a teenage drama queen ( )grudge ( )wimbledon ( )bring it on ( )bring it on again ( )flight of the phoenix ( )johnsons family vaction ( )vegas family vacation ( )thirteen. ( )Drive Me Crazy total here : 5 (x)2001: a space odessy (x)dr. strangelove how i came to love the bomb (omgtehroxors!) (x)Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark (x)Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (x)Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom ( )animal house ( )happy gilmore ( )Rocky Horrow Picture Show ( )Beavis and Butthead do America ( )School Of Rock ( )GodFather I ( )Godfather II ( )Godfather III ( )Scarface ( )Bones total here : 5 ( )Any Given Sunday ( ) The Art of War ( )Still, We Believe total here : 0 How about these: ( )Queen of the Damned ( )Reality Bites ( )The Wall (x)Once Upon a Time in Mexico ( )Spirited Away (x)Cowboy Bebop: The Movie (x)Good Morning Vietnam (x)Mrs. Doubtfire (X)Bruce Almighty (x)Home Alone (x)Home Alone 2 ( )Home Alone 3 (x)The Mighty Ducks (x)The Mighty Ducks 2 ( )The Mighty Ducks 3 total here : 9 (x)Memphis Belle (/) Last of the Mohicans (x)Shawshank Redemption ( )Spy Kids ( )Spy Kids 2 ( )Spy Kids 3-D ( )Dark City ( )Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants (x)Minority Report ( )beaches ( )Sweet Home Alabama ( )Dracula 2000 ( )Citizen Kane ( )Password: Swordfish ( )Van Helsing ( )Road Trip total here: 3.5 Defender_16's Complete total: 80 ....is that bad, or good or what? EDIT-2: So I'm right on the edge there. If Desperado were included it would push me over.

I hail both of you Grand_Admiral_Thrawn and Krytos for truly amazing insights into how things ould have progressed. Right now I'm working on my own theory that will maximize the length and destructiveness of the war. (After all this is "Star Wars. lol) But both of you brought up good points that changed my mind on different things I had been planning on. Keep up the debating! EDIT: I draw your attention to this: Borleias 'The infidels had arranged their orbital defenses in three layers, witht he heavy platforms on the exterior, the smaller fast-targeting platforms on the interior, and a dense shell of space mines. ' '...he(Tsavong Lah) expected the supreme commander to argue for an insertion assault to lay dovin basal gravity traps in the inner ring of defense platforms. Costly as the tactic was, it would quickily clear their way to the planet by pulling the minefield down into the inner ring of orbital platforms. ' (...) 'They had sent three assault divisions to install a giant dovin basal on Borleias's dark moon. Instead of crashing the satelite into its planet as the Praetorite Vong had done on Sernpidal, however, the dovin basal would be used to sweep the planetary defenses out of position. ' -From Star By Star The Vong arnt incapable of good tactics, they just need to have planed ahead when they use them.

>.< That was yet another typical episode. Though i have to admit, I liked season one and part of season two alot more. Along with the classic:

*Spoilers for those who havent read the NJO books yet* I was reading Star By Star again and a thought popped into my head when I reached the Battle of Coruscant. "How would the battle have gone if the Vong were fighting the Imperials?" First I'll put a basic list of the NR fleets and defenses that started at the battle. Fleet group 3 - Lead by Wedge Antillies. Assisted by Jedi Strike Wing Fleet group 2 - Lead by Garm Bel Iblis Fleet group 1 - Lead by Traest Kre'fey Orbital Mine Shell (Several kilometers thick) Golan & Balmorran Defense Platforms Planetary Shields Ground based Turblasers ( 1 per 2 square kilometer?) Ground based Laser Cannon V-wing Squadrons -Sien Sovv - Head of NR Military -General Reikeen - Planetary defense Each Fleet group had atleast 30 Star Destroyers apiece with hundreds of smaller light cruisers, Frigates, and Corvettes. The Yuuzhan Vong fleet, not only being extremly large. Also has hundreds of captured refugee ships which are being used as shields for their fleet. Kre'fey chose to not open fire with the Civillian ships in the way but Iblis disobeyed orders and continued anyways. With what would have been an effective Hammer and Anvil strike ruined, Antillies is forced to try and keep up from behind. Eventually the battle carries on into Coruscants orbit and the whole thing becomes an even bigger mess. How would the Empire have handled this situation were the Vong to get this far into the galaxy? Post what you think the Empire would bring to bear in terms of fleet sizes and numbers and who you think would be commanding what. (Even who you think would be in charge of the Empire.) I'm going to hold off on posting mine for a little while until I get some last things straightened out in my character arrangement. EDIT: I just remembered something else. While the Imperials have the benefit of many additional Hyperspace routes arround the core, the invasion of Reecee could have been pulled off just as (or more) effectively against an Imperial force. Also the battlefleet in the black bantha nebula was only found out about because the Errant Venture stumbled into taskforce that was guarding one of the hyperspace lanes to it when headed to Eclipse. While Byss isn't too far away from eclipse reletively speaking, the chances of an Imperial patrol hapening into that area are slim. So because of this there could be a full two pronged attack against Coruscant not just the one that the NR faced.