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Theoretical answer: When the weapon recharge drops to zero, the ship can still fire. Once with every (unused) fire arcs. The higher the weapon recharge rate is the better, however, I think there is a limit, possibly the sum firepower and values above that have no use. It also seems that it is not linear, so four times the weapon recharge seems to cause only two times faster firing ... EDIT: Oops! I am sorry, Somehow I have failed to see the last reply.

Well, there are leftovers from earlier missions. It seems that originally there were different research missions that have been replaced by a single one. Also, those special missions (like palace, if I remember well) have special stats and I have no idea what they are, whether they are automatic (like the bounty hunter) or simply obsolete missions. You should only report that if you face with it during gameplay.

Does an undead produce any lifesign?

Questions: 1. Time. How long after AotC does it take place? 2. Clone army size. Kenobi referred the forces as his army, and it was really large (11 Acclamator- like ships) while the main clone/jedi forces were fighting on Dantooin. 3. Why did the banking clan use geonosian fighters and who piloted them? 4. The official page says that the V-9s were used on Geonosis, which sounds weird. (More and more companies involved in the clone project.) 5. LAATs starting outside the atmosphere and lacking side turrets. New version or inaccuracy? 6. The accuracy of scoped sniper rifle-equipped battle droids. Or lack of it. At least eight of them were only able to hit one very slow moving clone trooper. 7. The equipment of the arc/clone troopers. The ICS suggests that their helmets are full of sensors, however their officer used an electro binocular, and to spot the sniper droids they used a device larger than current days thermal sensors and that information was transmitted by HAND SIGNALS. 8. If the clones had a hand held device capable to spot hiding droids, why would the TF tanks not be equipped with such devices? Currently tanks carry far more sensors than even a special force. I heard that chapter four is the worst so far, I will see.

Those are in the file Capshpsd.dat along with the other stats ... The two well equipped ships have those stat pairs. If you set the gravity well with RebEd, it will also add or delete those. At first sight they really look like a power/range combination, however, as I wrote I do not know whether the game uses those as statistic or only uses them as a flag.

Well, actually the gravity wells are described by two stats: a 4 and a 100, but I do not have the time to test what they do (whether they do anything at all).

I have just finished recording chapter three to computer. So far, I like it (those V-19 Torrent clone fighters are really cool), but it raises several questions ...

Well I think it was because Lucas did not realize how large a galaxy was and how large the empire (and previously the Republic) had to be, not because budget problems ... - the million worlds of the empire, - Han saying that the entire imperial starfleet cannot destroy a whole planet because it would require a thousand ships, - the trillions (US, not EU trillions) of citizens of the Republic, - 200,000 troopers being 'Grand' army ... (These, of course require special explanations to fit into the somewhat more correct EU.) These are quite consistent with the dozens of capital ships and hundreds of fighters (the origin of the number of carried crafts is uncertain at best) in the (full) rebell fleet and in the imperial trap fleet.

Yep. We have only lower level information about the imperial losses: The Executor and six other destroyers (Heir to the Empire). That was why I asked igorimp to provide evidence for his "8-16 destroyed ISDs" estimate.

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Sadly, it is not that easy. There were at least two winged cruisers.Besides, the second ship destroyed by the DS had many command pods like Home one, but unlike the wingless cruisers. (For that reason many fans identify it as a second Home One or a scaled down Home One (which is not impossible, since the Home One model was only as large as the wingless (later winged) cruiser).) Well, it depends on what you mean as 'defeat'. Igorimp theoretized that the rebel fleet actually decimated the imperial. In my opinion, at the end (at the loss of the Executor) the imperial fleet was still (far) superior in power, but it lost the commanding officers and was in a tactically very poor situation. So, it not really had other chance than retreating.

Liar. - I provided both reasons (the first based on the novelisation, remember?) why the fighter compliment of the DS was not used, but I never suggested that the DS had no fighters. - I also provided the fighter loss count for the whole battle (1.83:1) and for the period prior to the destruction of the DS shield (3.33:1). The former includes the tunnel hunt in which case the rebel fighters had no chance to fire back and the concentrated attack against the Executor, when again they did not have a chance to cause Tie losses since they attacked the Executor. Please, provide evidence for rebell fighters being destroyed in the tunnel (without fighting back), and concentrating on the Executor during the opening stage of the battle, and I will use the lower number. I am quite fed up with your half or misquoting. - You also 'forgot' to mention such things as war elephants, but at least admitted that superior tactical knowledge can cause a victory against high numerical superiority (even if it was 'only' 1:5, not 1:10 or 1:50 I suggested). Side note: Not Ackbar was the tactical genius, but Lando (who according to the novelisation destroyed pirates at Tanab with completely new maneuvers and strategy despite any odds far before Endor). As I wrote previously: 'If you want to find it to be unrealistic, you will.' - I asked you to provide evidence for the (very high) imperial losses you assumed. (Especially since it was far higher than the losses stated in lower level material.) You did not. Of course, if you use the lowest possible number for the rebel fleet and rebell losses, estimate very high imperial losses, assume that Piett could do as he wished (despite the evidence) and do not count the importance of surprisingly new tactics you will get the result that the battle was unrealistic to the level of impossibility ...

Well, after that image a Nebulon-B (which you found) and a 'horizontal line' like ship (likely those are corvettes) came out from behind the Home One. The Liberty was not destroyed at the time of this shot. The shot does not show many rebel ships. For example while there were at least two winged cruiser it shows none of them. The so called Y-head is only visible for a very short time in the battle, when there is a (close) corellian corvette to the right of the picture and the DS is on the left, it is in front of the DS.

If you are refering to leadership, let me put this point past you: the Emperor was not in command of the Imperial starfleet, it was Admiral Piett (I assume it was the "force without leading" you were refering to). He wasn't in command? You know I remember that Piett got his orders directly from the emperor, and these orders made impossible for him to lead the battle as he (Piett) wished. This last sentence made me laugh. In other words, apart from causing the DS and many destroyers to be unable to fire on them without endangering other destroyers, they did nothing out of ordinary. Yes, it was brilliant. Please provide evidence for this. Because moving forward the entire formation would only leave the entire rebel fleet behind, with a clear path (Path? Half of the horizont.) to escape. It would be the stupidest reaction if you had the orders to not allow their escape. So much? It is not much. Actually it is nothing. Actually you seem to base the movement of the imperial fleet on the theory that the Executor was pulled by the gravity of the DS' date=' so it must be close to it. Have you ever thought about what distances of the final speed of the Executor (~4km/s) can support? Also you seem to base the movement of the rebel fleet (the turning back) on one ship. (Not to mention not the commanding ship.) Excuse me, but for example you theoretized some forms to be B-wings, without stating that if they were B- wings, they would be completely sitting in one place without moving. You also missed to notice that identical forms (during the arrive of the fleet) evolved to be Nebulon- B frigates. Sorry, but I think your rebel fleet count is questionable at best. I do not own those, so if you say those state that the mon cal cruisers have weaker and not redundant shields or that the ISD II also has redundant shielding, I will trust you. I tried that but I failed see any suggestion of the destroyers being technologically superior than mon cal cruisers. I only found a suggestion that mon cal ships receive extensive shielding armor and weaponry later than the destroyers wre designed. (So, actually it supports that the mon cals used more modern shielding.) LFL said it in its canon policy game mechanics (and the ship statistics are part of it) do not count. Of course, what is LFL? Interesting that you did not use the Rebellion as an example where as I know, the mon cal cruiser can stay longer ... No, it is only far higher than the maneouverability shown by the smaller 'and technologically superior' destroyers, making that superiority questionable. It was shielded. If you watch the scene frame by frame, you can see the shield interaction before the blasts took out the ship, which lost control and all lights, and I cannot remember it being online again so, the time required to bring that ship back to online is only an assumption. I only used the ion cannon as an example to show that the rebels had access to weaponry matching the imperial equipment. Like Tatooine from where the only human ever able to win a pod-race came. Did Biggs collided into the canyon wall on its own? No he did not. In the novelisation of ANH Tagge said that the excellent fighters of the rebells are second only to their pilots. He also mentioned that they were even more dangereous because they were somewhat fanatics. The same novelisation describes many from the rebel pilots as veterans of many battles. See the first reply on page 14. The definitely lost ISD was the one next to the Executor. 1-3 is quite far from 8-16, so, if you saw the destruction of more ships, please provide evidence, because I did not. And it is not impossible, since the DVD shows more ships than my resources. 1 Super heavy cruiser, 6 heavy cruisers, 6 Nebulon- Bs, two corvettes, the two unidentified ships, one Y- head corvette, four transports. not to mention again that we never saw the whole or nearly the whole rebel fleet together. And, as I said, you underestimate the importance of tactics. Alexander the Great usually won aginst 1:10 to 1:50 numerical superiority with only very slight technological advance ... I cannot see that, sorry.

Hitomi: He based on his maneuvering theory on that that a winged rebell cruiser was seen behind two destroyers facing toward them (so, facing toward the same direction). Of course he completely neglect later evidence (the destruction of the Executor), when the rebel cruisers faced to the opposit direction as the destroyers, and other evidence when a Nebulon- B was perpendicular relative to the destroyers.

My God! Even LFL advises not to use stats from single player (fighter) centered LucasArts games! EDIT: BTW, the Tyderium passed two ISDs escorting the Executor.

Dear igorimp, I wrote 'standing reasons', not which were already explained. You simply underestimate the importance of a genius tactic against a poorly led force (actually a force without leading). I would like to ask you not to repeat that technological superiority again and again unless you can provide some evidence for it. What I saw in the movies was that that two destroyers nearly collided, whereas the Home One showed far higher maneouverability despite its larger size. What I also saw in the movies that the rebels had access to weapons capable to taking out an ISD with a dual shot. I would also like to ask you not to repeat that superior personnel training again and again unless you can provide evidence for it. What I saw in the movies was Piett gaining the rank of admiral through oppurtunism, the crew of many destroyers barely able to hit a (at least) 30m long freighter, Tie pilots colliding in canyons without being disturbed and such things. Of course, if you want to find it to be unrealistic (to the level that you misidentified a destroyed mon cal cruiser as a transport and provided imperial losses without actual movie evidence on your page) you will find it to be unreailistic.

Except the (not too important) moments I mentioned, I have not found the Endor space battle (as a whole) to be unrealistic. And no standing reasons have been presented to find it to be. And it is not about imperial or not imperial. I favour the imperials, so I should have found the battle unrealistic since they lost it.

Yep. When I wrote that the mon cal ships had officially stronger shields, I ment redundant shielding (wich makes possible to stay longer on the field, just like stronger shields).

I wrote both reasons why did I leave out the fighter compliment of the DS. Your 1.7 to 1 ratio is reasonable for the whole battle (while I counted 1.83 to 1). However, when I counted only the period prior to the destruction of the shield of the DS (in other words, the fighter battle), I got 3.33 to 1. Officially, the mon cal cruisers are 1200m long and have stronger shields. How is it possible? Because they lack the ground forces and half of the fighter compliment of the ISDs. Besides, the model sizes support the lenght of the mon cal cruisers to be around 1500m, not 1200, and some shots seem to confirm that. (However i haven't checked it yet.) You should reread what Thrawn's theory was. While I did not use it, I will answer this for you. The basics of it were that (unlike allways happened), the emperor did not controll the minds of the fleet personel, so they fighted like cadets. The theory had nothing to do with the emperor's death, only with the fact that he focused on Luke instead of the battle.

When three Interceptors followed an A-wing and the Falcon hunted them (around a frigate). They left their target. It was OK. But they kept the formation giving the chance to the Falcon to follow and destroy them one after another. Real fighter wingmen would split up and regroup behind the Falcon. (Just as Dooku's escorting fighters.)When the rebels entered the tunnel, the first Tie destroyed an X-wing, but it did not fire more. After the split, the Falcon (and Wedge) was 'hunted' by two Interceptors. How many times did they fire? I was able to see only one single shot. One single shot from two Interceptors, whereas four Ties were able to get trough the Falcon's shield in ANH quite rapidly.

Jahled: In the world of energy shields and energy weapons, any starship can be converted to nearly met official warships. The rebels had unofficial support from many worlds and even official from some. The technology development of SW universe is said to be nearly zero, which means that equipment available to the rebels nearly met the imperial equipment. (The best example is the ion cannon.) In terms of resources, you seem to forget about the DS. It consisted likely millions of times of that was required to build the rebel fleet, but it was basicly undefended. And the rebel personel wasn't that undertrained as you think. Many of them came from the academy, so they got the same training that the imperial personel and was led by former imperial officers and tactical geniuses. And the most important think you seem to forget. It wasn't the imperial fleet. It was only a fraction of it against the whole rebel fleet. Mothma stated that the imperial fleet was dispersed throughout the galaxy to find the rebels. It required that the large fraction of the imperial fleet acted as decoys. The only thing I found unrealistic is the behavior of the Ties. Other things: - Stormtroopers are clones of more hosts. (Not necesserely kaminoian type clones.) GL said it recently. The EU comes up with an explanation that there are special individuals who deseved to become stormtrooper as well. - Palleaon realized that the efficiency of the crew increased by 40%. Now, time to sleep.

The novelisation wrote that they were too tired to move. If you are too tired to move, resting would not be a waste of time. Actually it would be the only chance to get out from there. There was no single imps. They grouped around pilots or officers who ordered pilots. You can see one such group behind Luke. Really? I cannot remember him trying to save anyone from jabba's sail barge. Actually it was him who ordered Leia to fire on the barge causing its destruction along with its passengers, despite that the small ships appeared to be far faster so likely they could escape from the barge without destroying it. Interesting that you previously mentioned desperately fleeing stormtroopers. Who followed orders remained at their posts and died there (see Jerjerrod). Who were desperate enough to flee, would not risk their lives, since they already tried to save their lives. Other thing is that the small dock (according to the novelisation) was very close to the turbolift leading to the emperor's throne room, so it wasn't that long voyage.

The novelisation describes that they were too tired to move. So, Luke needed time to regain himself. Not really. It was the self destruction of the evil from a jedi's point of view' date=' and he had no time to save any of them. Predators and preys flee together from fire. If your survival is questionable at best, only an idiot will stop and try to get a hostage. (Especially since that 'hostage' clearly overwhelmed the most fearsome warrior of your side (Vader).) They did not. Where did you get that suggestion from? They noticed the chaos all around and that the command chain collapsed at most.

Notes: (First of all, I have only the original on VHS and the SE saved from TV, so the ship counts may be higher.) 1. Neither Han, nor Leia worried about the rebel fleet when they saw the Executor with two ISDs. This suggests that the rebel fleet was supposed to be able to get through them. 2. When the rebel fleet starts, at least two unidentified class of ships can be seen. One of them is somewhat similar to a Bulk Cruiser, but not too similar. A third ship is visible between the Home one and the transports when the Falcon passes them. This ship is misidentified as a (modified) corellian corvette, but newer resources show that it is actually the ship that can be seen later in the battle. (At least, the same type.) This ship is the so called Y- Head corvette and there is no official data about it as long as I know. (Its production name was RotJ bg ship. Likely bg=background.) 3. Within the base we saw a screen which most likely showed the rebel fleet approaching. What Leia said suggests that the rebel fleet was still in hyperspace at that time. This means that the hiding imperial fleet got a warning before the rebel fleet actually arrived, so it had more than enough time to orbit the moon. 4. As I wrote earlier, the Falcon was accompanied by5 X- wings, 4 B- wings, 5 A- wings and 8 Y- wings. This group led the initial assault and left left the large cruisers behind. However, after they turned back we saw the cruisers from the front and there were many fighters those started to turn after the Home One started it. (Part of them were the fighters very close from Ackbar's view.) This means that Lando's group was actually a separated (and likely elit) group of the rebel fighters and the other fighters provided fighter escort for the fleet. 5. The novelisation says that the imperial fleet circled the rebels from two directions (sectors PB-4 and RT-23), however in the movie there was only one wave (sector MG-7 or MV-7, I cannot tell you). ... 6. When Lando finally attacked the DS, he was only accompanied by 2 X-wings, 2- A wings and one Y- wing. They were chased by three Ties (one of them collided) and three Interceptors. One X- wing was destroyed, the two A-wings and the Y- wing turned back followed by two Ties and one Interceptor. So, while the novelisation says about 20 rebel and 40 imperial fighters suggesting a 2 to 1 ratio, the case was 1 to 1. This also implies that by the time the loss of the DS shield Lando's (likely elit) group suffered 77% losses. Also, after the said fighters turned back, we saw two X- wings (and one Tie) in the cruiser battle, suggesting again that not all rebel fighters was under Calrissian's command. 7. I heard that (maybe only a rumor?) Ackbar specifically called for an A- wing. Since there were X- wings in the battle, this can mean either that A- wings are more effective against an (likely unshielded) SSD than X- wings and the A- wings of the fighter screen were destroyed (or rendered ineffective by ammunition depletion) by that time, or the A- wings in Lando's group carried more 'exotic' weaponry than any other fighter. 8. The losses (what I saw): imperials: confirmed: 1 DS 1 Executor 1 ISD likely: 2 ISDs (one lost its right globe, the other is the 'multinodule ship' survivors: unknown rebels: confirmed: 1 winged standard mon cal cruiser (Liberty) (DS) 1 wingless standard, or Home One like cruiser (DS) likely: 1 Nebulon- B (side by side with an ISD) surviors: at least two corellian corvettes at least two Nebulon- Bs numerous transports and/or mon cal cruisers Well, that's it for today.