Guest Scathane Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 No, mask there isn't it started with a Sauton Palpy comparison and it drifted into a discussion about the constitutional monarchy of the Netherlands in comparison to the parlamental democracy in Germany. Which, as I'm trying to point out, is nonsense. The Constitutional Monarchy of the Netherlands is as much a parliamentary democracy as is Germany. We too are a democracy and we have a Parliament that represents the people and monitors the seated government. Both have electoral rounds every four years. Moreover, parliamentary democracy can't be juxtaposed to Constitutional Monarchy. Germany is a Federal Republic..., not a parliamentary democracy..., in fact, I doubt whether the term actually exists officially... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude21 Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 There actually was some Star Wars in there too... However, I keep getting entangled in these debates with dude21 here... Problem is, however, that he keeps cutting them off as soon as he realises I fried all his arguments and that I'm his mental superior... P.S - he now wants to dish it out in an online game of Warcraft III Now u can be very proud about u, I concede it to u because Iam bored to discuss with u, every argument is kicked into hell by youre storys so tell me if I am right in my assumption that u are a politician. Just politicians can spin my arguments such around that the sense is fully twisted. And yes I want to fight it out in WC III, because I hope you cant write there so much "I am growing stronger with the Force" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 because Iam bored to discuss with u, every argument is kicked into hell by youre storys That probably says more about your arguments than it does about my stories, dude... so tell me if I am right in my assumption that u are a politician. No, I'm not... But if you feel free do deduct such, then let me feel free (which you probably won't, I bet you'll get mad again) to deduct that you: 1. Never went to school2. Don't have a job of any real importanceJust politicians can spin my arguments such around that the sense is fully twisted. I do not spin your arguments around, dude21, so if there's anything bothering you about the fact that your arguments won't hold, look in the mirror and stop whining that you're getting bored when in fact you mean you're not winning the debate because you are unable to come up with arguments that make sense. For that matter, I don't believe a word you're saying: I bet there are a lot of people who can spin your arguments around... Let's look back on our discussion and see what you did come up with... You came up with sentences like monarchy sucks and I would never work for a fucking guy or bitch who just eat caviar and trink wine... This means you're implying that I am such a person, so, yes, I will react to that kind of thing. Look back on my sentences and tell me exactly: where did I force you to become part of the discussion? So, dude21, do me a favor: next time you start a debate, be prepared to finish it! If you don't, then post a topic about the Care Bears in Outside Interests and talk about cuddly things there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude21 Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Thats exactly what I meant "I am growing stronger with the Force" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 The term exists as a matter of fact, some democracies, particularly federal states put more enphasis in their parlament, with prime minister, Bundeskanzler, or whatever they call them. Some other third-world countries like Costa Rica put more emphasis in the president. As if he'd be in a position to help everyone...It's a tendency to "parlamentarism" and another to "presidentialism", and I never said that the Netherlands don't have a democracy, just that's it's one variation from democracy... http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 The term exists as a matter of fact, some democracies, particularly federal states put more enphasis in their parlament, with prime minister, Bundeskanzler, or whatever they call them. No kidding, I didn't know that... although we have both a parliament and a Prime Minister...' It's a tendency to "parlamentarism" and another to "presidentialism", and I never said that the Netherlands don't have a democracy, just that's it's one variation from democracy... I I understand that... My words were aimed at dude21's argumentation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted July 4, 2003 Share Posted July 4, 2003 Which brings me to ask: Which is better, a parliament (kind of like the UK's) or a congress (kind of like the US's). Then again, Plato said that democracy would fall and that dictatorship was the best government of all (not in those exact words, of course). SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted July 4, 2003 Share Posted July 4, 2003 What's the difference between the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted July 4, 2003 Share Posted July 4, 2003 I think the only difference is the amount of people sitting there. But it's hardly a difference... Soem journalist call our small Asamblea Legislativa, a Senate or a Congress or a Parlament... It's the same... And in some way Plato was right. Democracy will fail... The thing with dictatorships is that they, nowadays, don't outlive it's dictator. The Egyptian Empire and the Roman Imperium where among the most efficient states in history. Egyptians needed only 23 years to build the Cheops pyramide, in Costa Rica it has been needed 30 years of arguing and discussing the creation of a 110 km road... Only few months ago they started to build it... http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted July 5, 2003 Share Posted July 5, 2003 Only 23 years?! Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted July 6, 2003 Share Posted July 6, 2003 I think the only difference is the amount of people sitting there. But it's hardly a difference... Soem journalist call our small Asamblea Legislativa, a Senate or a Congress or a Parlament... It's the same...Interesting. And in some way Plato was right. Democracy will fail... The thing with dictatorships is that they, nowadays, don't outlive it's dictator. The Egyptian Empire and the Roman Imperium where among the most efficient states in history.Now, the problem with society (maybe not really a problem) is that the words "dictator" and "emperor" (etc) have bad connotations where when one hears it they immediately believe that it is "wrong and bad". Most of that goes toward a type of brain-washing many governments have done (such as the U.S.) where they declare that dictatorships are evil...NO MATTER WHAT and if you disagree then you must be EVIL. Do you see what I am saying? It actually turns out to still be that same dictatorship because you are being forced to agree, but twisted in what is called democracy. I mean, look at Socialism and Communism, they are the best governmental ideas ever to the point of uptopian, but due to human nature (greed, hunger for power, etc) they have always failed. It's all rooted in psychology and such. Any comments? Egyptians needed only 23 years to build the Cheops pyramide, in Costa Rica it has been needed 30 years of arguing and discussing the creation of a 110 km road... Only few months ago they started to build it...An excellent point and example, Trej. SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Democracy is in some way only for the candidates to show which of them can manipulate the hopes and ideas of the people to attain their position. Sometimes there are entire dynasties of politicians... Bush Sr. Bush Jr... and in Costa Rica too, and it's not even efficient... It's all controlled by the bureaucracy....Communism, Socialism, even anarchism failed due to the greedy nature of humans. http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Admiral_Antilles Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 This thread has went just a tincy-wincy bit off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Democracy is in some way only for the candidates to show which of them can manipulate the hopes and ideas of the people to attain their position. Sometimes there are entire dynasties of politicians... Bush Sr. Bush Jr... and in Costa Rica too, and it's not even efficient... It's all controlled by the bureaucracy....Communism, Socialism, even anarchism failed due to the greedy nature of humans.Sadly, yes. The problem is that in democracy, the people lose the true idea of true representation and begin voting the aristocracy instead of those who really know what's it's like to be a true, average citizen. People are in a way "brain-washed" into believing that they have to vote for a certain type of person, which is exactly what democracy was founded to combat (sort of). It's gets the point where the people are no longer electing from amongst the people, but instead from amongst the upper/ruling class.It's all psychological and rooted in human nature. This thread has went just a tincy-wincy bit off topic. Nonsense! We are discussing "What is evil" within governments and such! SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude21 Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Interesting discussions here Go ahead mates "I am growing stronger with the Force" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Admiral_Antilles Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Democracy is in some way only for the candidates to show which of them can manipulate the hopes and ideas of the people to attain their position. Sometimes there are entire dynasties of politicians... Bush Sr. Bush Jr... and in Costa Rica too, and it's not even efficient... It's all controlled by the bureaucracy....Communism, Socialism, even anarchism failed due to the greedy nature of humans.Sadly, yes. The problem is that in democracy, the people lose the true idea of true representation and begin voting the aristocracy instead of those who really know what's it's like to be a true, average citizen. People are in a way "brain-washed" into believing that they have to vote for a certain type of person, which is exactly what democracy was founded to combat (sort of). It's gets the point where the people are no longer electing from amongst the people, but instead from amongst the upper/ruling class.It's all psychological and rooted in human nature. Well then I will ofer my opinion on the subject: Get rid of those darn Political bozos, who care nothing for "us", the people and maybe we will have an okay Government! this goes for all nations too! I don't mean to offend anyone, honest! This thread has went just a tincy-wincy bit off topic. Nonsense! We are discussing "What is evil" within governments and such! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 I doubt that your post is offensive, but childish in some regard, you are denouncing but without offering arguments nor a solution for the problem. Remove the political bozos and then what, an anarchy??? http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Admiral_Antilles Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 What I meant was we need to have more people in "Higher" places that actually want to help the people. (Not that some don't). And I definitely did not mean we need Anarchy! My opinion..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 What I meant was we need to have more people in "Higher" places that actually want to help the people. (Not that some don't). And I definitely did not mean we need Anarchy! My opinion..... Well that's a new meaning to "remove", then. But in the end won't the people that want to help the people eventually act by their own greed? It's all inthe core of the human nature... http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Admiral_Antilles Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 True, Sad...But, True. Who knows, maybe some smart person will think of something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude21 Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Well then I will ofer my opinion on the subject: Get rid of those darn Political bozos, who care nothing for "us", the people and maybe we will have an okay Government! this goes for all nations too! I don't mean to offend anyone, honest! Thats quite good what u wrote here Antilliles. Its nearly my opinion.Not bad for a 14 jears old guy "I am growing stronger with the Force" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWR Staff - Executive Evaders99 Posted July 9, 2003 SWR Staff - Executive Share Posted July 9, 2003 Another political topic I believe that pure democracies are bad. Rule by majority is stupid because it allows the majority to take from the minority. If you had the option to use force to take from someone else, why would you work? I know the US started as a constitutional republic. But since Woodrow Wilson, we've turned into a more "mob-rule" democracy than an actual republic. The anti-Federalist knew that, at some point, the federal government would be abused so much that the Constitution would be trashed and replaced with rules "for the common good". I just hope I'm not here the day we turn our sovereignty over to the mob of people who suck your hard work to give to themselves. Evaders99http://swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Webmasterhttp://swrebellion.com/images/banners/swcicuserbar.png Administrator Fighting is terrible, but not as terrible as losing the will to fight.- SW:Rebellion Network - Evaders Squadron Coding -The cake is a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Admiral_Antilles Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Well then I will ofer my opinion on the subject: Get rid of those darn Political bozos, who care nothing for "us", the people and maybe we will have an okay Government! this goes for all nations too! I don't mean to offend anyone, honest! Thats quite good what u wrote here Antilliles. Its nearly my opinion.Not bad for a 14 jears old guy Why Thank you dude21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 True, Sad...But, True. Who knows, maybe some smart person will think of something...Imperium Americana? Oh, wait, that's not a good idea! Because it already exists. All in all, I think this topic has basically come to the conclusion that we need a dictator (sort of) that is one of the people and will rule for the people as one of them. More power to the people through an upper, ungreedy power. Sadly...well...as Trej and I have said, it won't happen due to human nature. SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Admiral_Antilles Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 So does that end this discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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