Things you hate in Star Wars

[Eagle]

I don´t like that the origin of the Stormtroopers should be the Mandalorians. First because the Clonetroopers are clones of Jango and second because he and other Mandalores trained the so called ARC-Troopers. It doesn´t matter that the later Stormtroopers consist of different clone-batches and recruits. Clonetroopers aswell as Stormtroopers are soldiers, while the Mandalores are some kind of warriors/predators like fe the Klingons or the Hirogen of Star Trek (Blasphemie! I mentioned Star Trek ). Why I´m so obsessed with this? It´s because the Stormtroopers like no other represent the military power of the Empire and its cruelty.

[Eagle]

This guy was GL´s first choice for the role of Anakin. Hayden Christensen was just the second.

Sorry for double-post and because I have to come back with this, but I´ve just found that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZAr9E8i3ng&mode=related&search=

[Eagle]

Found this site recently, where a guy rants about all the SW Movies. The prequells aswell the special edition of the OT. It´s very funny and entertaining to read, so if you´ve got some spare time left take a look at it.

[Moribundus]

Haha, that site pretty much says it all

 

Btw. I don't like manadalorians at all. And that's another thing that bugs me about the Star Wars (especally the recent efforts), that everything has to be connected and explained somehow.

 

Why cannot stormtroopers be just the elite (well...) soldiers of the evil empire (as they were to me when I saw A New Hope in a cinema for the first time). Why they have to be some bloody clones? And why can't Bobba Fett be just a Bobba Fett? The same goes for geonosians and their spherical seed ships (or what was that), Count Dooku and their Death Star plans.

 

By this GL has completely ruined my SW experience. It's like watching the LOTR movies after reading the books, you'll certainly get something different than what you expected. For instance never imagined Death Star being built (or designed) by a bunch of bugs (and C3PO by a little kid).

 

Also GL has managed to make the canon Star Wars universe quite a small place - as if the world turned around only around the main characters (or their direct family), which really isn't the impression I had from the first movies.

[DarthTofu]

Oh, man, that site is great! Sort of like my short-lived project Crazy Bantha dedicated to craptastic lines throughout the movie, such as "I hate you... Obi Wan... Grr."

[Eagle]

I had lots of fun reading his rants.

 

This is one of my favorites:

 

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9559/babiesyv6.th.png

 

[budious]

LOL... that is pretty awesome... I feel the same way about the dialog. It used to be that actors would improvise the scripts they were given, these two just read it word for word

[Moribundus]

Perhaps they got direct order from above to not improvise, or they tried and were cut out. It happened before so I wouldn't be surprised.

 

Anyway, George just can't shoot a good romantic scene. Even babies can see that.

[budious]

I'm getting the impression that George Lucas had two teenage adopted daughters at the time that wrote those scenes for him. He was probably like whatever, let me do all my medochlorine crap and my jedi battles and if you just stfu you can write the love scenes, lol.

 

The Samuel L. Jackson dialog makes me cringe, he's such a talented actor which was totally wasted as Mace Windu.

[DarthTofu]

"This party's over!"

[Guest Scathane]

My personal top 5 of things irritating in Star Wars:

 

1. Midi-chlorians
2. Casting of Hayden Christiansen as Anakin Skywalker
3. Character embodiment of General Grievous
4. Chewbacca's lunar funeral
5. Premature death of Darth Maul

[SOCL]

Scathane, are you not feeling well? I noticed a lack of "Jar-Jar Binks" on that list...

[Eagle]

Maybe because he likes him?!

[Jahled]

My personal top 5 of things irritating in Star Wars:

 

1. Midi-chlorians

 

Agreed

 

2. Casting of Hayden Christiansen as Anakin Skywalker

 

Despite some rather forgivable wooden acting at times, I don't really have a problem with Hayden in the role, and frown upon a lot of the criticism from the Star Wars community directed his way. Ewan has publicly stated he regrets ever getting involved with Star Wars (will he in thirty years time I wonder?) simply because of the horror of all the acting in front of blank screens, where as Hayden was a relatively inexperienced and young actor experienced far less to deal with this.

 

3. Character embodiment of General Grievous

 

His entire character sort of came out of nowhere in RotS, so I don't recall having any chance to have any character embodiment with him

 

4. Chewbacca's lunar funeral

 

Don't really follow the EU, so can't comment on this, given it has no relevance to me

 

5. Premature death of Darth Maul

 

I thought that was one of the best and most timely deaths in all the movies, given how obviously hard he was. A villan had to go at the end of the movie, I have no problem with Maul going at the time and manor inwhich he did.

[Guest Scathane]

Scathane, are you not feeling well? I noticed a lack of "Jar-Jar Binks" on that list...

No, he's not... but then again, he isn't a pivotal character IMHO. Of course, the same can be argued for Grievous or Maul but they both provided such a brilliant opportunity of adding value to the Star Wars universe because they are so totally different from what we knew from the original movies.

 

The character of Jar Jar was annoying, mind you. But I feel you can overlook him quite easliy, however...

[DarthTofu]

Call me nuts, I thought it was time for someone to die, finally. Chewie was a good candidate for it, seeing as nobody could really write for him very well, and his death was what it took to finally open up the Star Wars universe to some darkness. Bantam novels were just too happy-go-lucky, superweapon-of-the-week for me. The tight structure that Del Ray has is one of their greatest assets, IMHO.

[Darth_Rob]

Chewie was a good candidate for it, seeing as nobody could really write for him very well, and his death was what it took to finally open up the Star Wars universe to some darkness.

 

WHAT?! Chewie is dead?!?!?! You made me cry Tofu. I hope you're happy.

[SOCL]

Chewie was a good candidate for it, seeing as nobody could really write for him very well, and his death was what it took to finally open up the Star Wars universe to some darkness.

 

WHAT?! Chewie is dead?!?!?! You made me cry Tofu. I hope you're happy.

I might scold Tofu for the spoiler...but really, Rob? Really? How could you not know?

[Evaders99]

I think Chewie's death is no longer a spoiler, especially since the book (Vector Prime) was released in 1999. 10 year anniversary next year?

 

I'd really like to know where they got this quote from...

Timothy Zahn, who felt the series was too dark and straying from the "feel" of Star Wars,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jedi_Order

[Darth_Rob]

Chewie was a good candidate for it, seeing as nobody could really write for him very well, and his death was what it took to finally open up the Star Wars universe to some darkness.

 

WHAT?! Chewie is dead?!?!?! You made me cry Tofu. I hope you're happy.

I might scold Tofu for the spoiler...but really, Rob? Really? How could you not know?

 

Nah, Im joking. I knew. Though I must say, I only knew because I heard it mentioned in these very forums years ago, and I was like "woh, they killed Chewie..."

[Jahled]

I remember reading about Chewie's death in one of the UK's 'serious' newspapers first, in a half page feature, for some reason.

 

I have no idea why I remember this

[SOCL]

I think Chewie's death is no longer a spoiler, especially since the book (Vector Prime) was released in 1999. 10 year anniversary next year?

 

I'd really like to know where they got this quote from...

Timothy Zahn, who felt the series was too dark and straying from the "feel" of Star Wars,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jedi_Order

I think it's parrot behavior, something that happens far too often on Wookieepedia (I'm sure whoever edited the Wikipedia article was an ardent member of Wookieepedia). Someone says they think this might be it, someone else takes it to mean they heard it said somewhere that it was so, and the next person asserts that it's fact. It's called Wiki-ality, isn't it? Reality by consensus (and not fact).

[Jahled]

Chewie not growing old with everybody else is yet more reason to shake one's head, where all this has gone wrong

 

In my personal view, but I have an infinite amount of reasons to divorce the expanded universe from what we catch in the movies, which I shant list here

[Vicentegrev]

briefly on the NJO, I think the only book in the series that got it right was Destiny's Way. I feel the direction they took with the Force with Jacen Solo was amazing, innovative and truly a very original concept for the Star Wars series as a whole.

 

I was really excited to read the rest of the NJO series after Destiny's Way but upon seeing the Star Wars universe returning to traditional themes of the Good Republic and its heroes and the Evil Empire/Yuuzhan Vong I became so jaded I couldn't finish reading the rest of the series and consequently have not read any Star Wars fiction since

 

I don't know. I always liked the Empire. I felt they got some things wrong but it seems to me (perhaps I'm biased) that the entire Star Wars mythos just took the concept of a perpetually evil Empire and ran with it not allowing it to change or evolve. Resurgences with Thrawn, Daala, Clone Emperor Palpatine just felt like more of the same: They're the enemy. We're the good ones. The NJO had such a great opportunity to change that fact. To make the Empire a different culture instead of a few thousand parsecs full of idiots, war mongers and pugilists

 

I don't know. I love Star Wars. It holds such a deep place in my heart, truly. But at the same time the EU makes it just feels worn out and leaves me coming back to the canon of the movies (another post for another time, sigh)

[DarthTofu]

briefly on the NJO, I think the only book in the series that got it right was Destiny's Way. I feel the direction they took with the Force with Jacen Solo was amazing, innovative and truly a very original concept for the Star Wars series as a whole.

 

I was really excited to read the rest of the NJO series after Destiny's Way but upon seeing the Star Wars universe returning to traditional themes of the Good Republic and its heroes and the Evil Empire/Yuuzhan Vong I became so jaded I couldn't finish reading the rest of the series and consequently have not read any Star Wars fiction since

 

I don't know. I always liked the Empire. I felt they got some things wrong but it seems to me (perhaps I'm biased) that the entire Star Wars mythos just took the concept of a perpetually evil Empire and ran with it not allowing it to change or evolve. Resurgences with Thrawn, Daala, Clone Emperor Palpatine just felt like more of the same: They're the enemy. We're the good ones. The NJO had such a great opportunity to change that fact. To make the Empire a different culture instead of a few thousand parsecs full of idiots, war mongers and pugilists

 

I don't know. I love Star Wars. It holds such a deep place in my heart, truly. But at the same time the EU makes it just feels worn out and leaves me coming back to the canon of the movies (another post for another time, sigh)

 

 

Eh, what? Destiny's Way got it right, you say? I liked the book, thought it was decent and all, but I don't quite see what you mean with that. If you read Traitor, that one really gives the feel of the moral issue with the Vong, which is this: The Vong aren't evil. They're just misguided. They're violent, sure, and they're slaughtering folks, but more than anything else, they're alien. And Traitor does a fantastic job of showing that.

 

The Unifying Force also does a decent job of revealing how the Vong were just alien. I'm going to go ahead and say that Edge of Victory I: Conquest did a good job of it, too, with the Riina personality and Nen Yim and Mezhan Kwaad.