If I recall correctly, I've always been sadistic. : You're still trying to avoid the point. Point and scream and say its horrible. Wouldn't you think it would be a better idea to organize something local to protest this instead if you believe so strongly against it. Then maybe telling someone would make a difference. As it is, sitting here and talking won't get anything done. Your friend brings up a good point. There really are more pressing issues closer that could use more of a look than something like this. PETA's just blowing it out of proportion by saying how horrible it is, but really, there's probably worse things going on closer by. Also, if anything, I believe it is your condescending attitude with the "LOL!" and the "Says you!" that's scaring people away. You make it seem as if your opinion is the only one that is accepted, then noone will bother to argue. In fact, I'm on the verge of just letting you believe what you do like I do with the rest of society... *sigh* Who's condescending now?