Gank! My original misunderstanding with you was chiefly concerned with the Franco-German motives in all this political rubbish! I had somehow assumed you were defending their alignment in this issue, and my argument was that they are not concerned with the wellfare of the Iraqi-population anymore than the Bush/Blair stance! President Chirac shaking hands with President Mugarby yesterday has to go down as one of the most blatent examples of French-mercenary politics I have ever seen. Shame on France! I guess we'll be seeing the appeal buckets out in the streets for the victims of yet another African famine because of one African leader's inability to see the value of international-trade. Zimbabwe was once termed the 'bread basket of Southern-Africa.' No more. Rape, torture, murder, and political intimidation have replaced democracy and an economy there. And Chirac shakes hands with him. A rather obvious demonstration of France's real intentions on the world stage. Self-interest. In the context of Iraq I don't think we can take France's efforts for peace any more seriously than we can the excuses of the US & the Uk for Iraq's oil. It's pathetic. If you want weapons of mass destruction, i'll tell you where they are. They're simmering in the shadows of every Muslim country disgusted at their own government's complience at what they perceive as giving into the west's excuse for fair economic trade, which quite frankly is crap! The entire middle-east is one sorry excuse of dictatorship. It was almost understandable in the cold-war when the world was fighting against the Soviet-fascists (who by the way Gank murdered or were directly responsible for the deaths of more of their own popluation than Hitler!), but given the socialist's-collapse, why, but for oil, have these petty-little fascist regimes been allowed to continue in our newly-found world of liberty and democracy? But for the stability of oil production. A strong moral argument when you look at it in detail, isn't it? If you wave they flag of morality be sure not to pause in a world so devoid of liberty. I for one will support every effort of American-led-restoration of civil liberty throughout the world, with the promise of democracy and free-speech and expression. I will not, however, if it is a base-desire to command oil. This perspective I rather think is where those nasty-little terrorists who murdered all those people in the twin towers were comming from. Those scum didn't represent a nation, they were convicted enough to kill themseves, and thousands of innocent people, on some kind of independant conviction. In this instance, it will have had nothing to do with Iraq! My underlining-point is we must be noble! But we must conduct ourselves with the the definition of nobility, not behave as if all we desire is commercial interests! Because when we do all that happens is give ammunition to loads of loosers prepared to kill themselves as they murder innocents, all for some Iman's promise of 'pubescent girls in heaven,'to reward their sacrifice.