I agree with everyone but Caine I stand by my earlier points and also the last really good Lucus arts game i played was x-wing vs Tie Fighters, i havent played the jedi knight tales of the jedi rpg thing, i didnt bother with star wars galaxies cos i wanna be a dark jedi but they make it so hard (from what i hear) The Jedi knight Series wasnt that great to be fair, dark forces2 i like alot, jedi knight2/dark forces3, whatever was ok but the plot wasnt anything special and jk3 well modders have done most of that stuff on their own anyways. Empire at war, well, hmm, it could be very good but the last westwood game i played was only good cos i got to rip men apart with russian dogs so i dunno. time will tell