ok, we will call it quits, peace, hehe. Anyways what i said was (and actually the main reference was to the book, but includes the site) is that if the infomation on the length is wrong what else is wrong? its a question It is also a very valid point. My stance, sorry i was on my lunch from work and was trying to eat and type at the same time. My stance is dont trust sites that say a SSD is less than 17.6km at all. My view is most fan sites tend to bias towards the empire or republic. You point about the about those republic ships is well and good until you mentioned they share a space frame, the ISD and VenSD dont share a space frame and look very, very different. Different mission but the designs are so to different. Nothing implys from i have seen that the VenSD and ISD are related other than being made by the same company. The Neb-B is also made by Kuat drive yards and performs a very different role. The ISD was designed to replace the VSD, not the VenSD, to me its more like "this ship does this, what if we do this". By appearance, weapon tech etc the ISD and VSD have alot more incommon, this is fact, not specualtion. Your views on the VenSD seem more based on heresay than actual evidence. Im sorry but i dont agree one bit with you on this and you have provided nothing. BTW that site you provide was about the only fan site i trust, hehe i had lost the link but now have it again. But you must admi that being in a post about VenSD, ISD, VSD was asking to be turned against yay