Guest Scathane Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 Imagine the following... You rebedited your game, so that you can use SSDs and the DS as a Rebel. You play a few hours and you have composed the following fleet: 1 Death Star2 Super Star Destroyers1 Bulwark Battlecruiser1 CC-7700 Frigate1 Alliance Dreadnaught4 Nebulon-B Frigates1 Alliance Escort Carrier3 Correllian Gunships 72 X-Wing Fighter Squadrons1 Y-Wing Fighter Squadron With this fleet, you carelessly set course for a planet, which, as you notice upon arrival, has the stunning opposition of 1 Carrack Light Cruiser and 5 Tie Intercepor Squadrons. So, you think: "This is gonna be easy!" After having the computer resolve your battle (I know most of you do the resolving part yourself), you've lost 1 Death Star and 1 Bulwark Battle Cruiser (and, of course, all the fighter squadrons and troops they carried)!!! Now personally, I think this is rediculous. Especially if you take into account that I've repeated the battle, the same thing happened. However, if I do the battle without the Death Star and the Bulwark, then I lose nothing... (for those of you who're a bit daft at math: that's without the 34 fighter squadrons they carry as well!) Your views are most welcome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mask Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 Well, perhaps now you know, why many of us see to resolving the battles personally. I think it's the same with the DS, as it is with the normal ships: if you choose to let the AI resolve the battle it gets at least one chance to attack. That means your DS was attacked by the fighters, your Bulwark just happened to be the best ship and the AI always seems to go for these and the fighters ... ... ummm ... ahhh .... well .... they're gone, aren't they http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5183/animated9pn.gifhttp://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1778/reloadedbannerdu8.gifhttp://www.swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 Well, perhaps now you know, why many of us see to resolving the battles personally. I think it's rather striking that, upon posting this topic, the thought crossed my mind to add the text "and don't tell me now you know why we choose to resolve battles personnally" but i decided against it because I presumed that you guys wouldn't be that smug... How wrong can you be... I think it's the same with the DS, as it is with the normal ships: if you choose to let the AI resolve the battle it gets at least one chance to attack. That means your DS was attacked by the fighters, your Bulwark just happened to be the best ship and the AI always seems to go for these and the fighters ... ... ummm ... ahhh .... well .... they're gone, aren't they Speaking of how wrong you can be, I turn to the second part of your post, Mask. It's clever thinking on first reflection, but for those a bit more skilled in the art of scrutiny, it is obvious that your reasoning doesn't cut any wood. You're saying that I lost my DS and Bulwark because the AI gets at least one attack, right? Supposing this is true, then why didn't this happen to my SSDs when I repeated the very same battle without the DS and the Bulwark? I mean, they weren't even damaged! In fact, when I did the battle without the DS and the Bulwark, I neither lost any ship, capital or other, nor had I any damage to anay ship. So, something else is at hand here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormie Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 I was always under the impression that you couldn't attack the DS as long as it had a compliment of fighters guarding it. Maybe the Interceptors were part of Baron Soontir Fel's 181st Fighter Squadron Lost a planet Master Obi-Wan has, how embarrassing. - Yoda Do not count a human dead until you've seen his body, and even then you can make a mistake. - Bene Gesserit saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glandry Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 This is what I think has happened... In a previous thread, we had established that if you used Rebed to allow the Rebels to access the Death Star, you were in for a surprise. When you go into tactical, the Empire takes it over, even though it is built by the Rebels. The Rebels can't control it. I suspect that the Death Star took out the Bulwark, then some of your fighters took out the Death Star. The AI can't seem to handle the Rebels with a Death Star in Tactical mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 This is what I think has happened... In a previous thread, we had established that if you used Rebed to allow the Rebels to access the Death Star, you were in for a surprise. When you go into tactical, the Empire takes it over, even though it is built by the Rebels. The Rebels can't control it. I suspect that the Death Star took out the Bulwark, then some of your fighters took out the Death Star. The AI can't seem to handle the Rebels with a Death Star in Tactical mode. I think you might just be right... As you know, I didn't resolve the battle myself, but for the AI a battle is a battle (I mean that it probably resolves battles through tactical itself), right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glandry Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Yeah, if you still have the save game, you should try to resolve it yourself to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Definately an interesting situation. I almost always use the A1 to resolve battles and am usually happy with the results. Of course as a diehard Imperial I would never give the rebel scum the advantage of Deathstars or SSD's so I needn't worry about this situation.-GM Conway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Yes, that's definetely your style, Grand Moff, but imagine that if let the Rebs built DS, and they kept coming at planets you had fighters in, then in tactical you'd be able to use the DS yourself even if you did not spend maintenance points for them. I think glandry touched the solution of the problem. Which is one more argument to say: STUPID AI.Scath I imagine you have learned your lesson out of this. 73Fs-(10Fs+24Fs)=37 Fs. No that wasn't the lesson, that was for the ones with the daft math knowledge. Scath learn this: Always resolve your battles yourself, if there's a chance of you losing, then the AI will make sure you lose. http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 Scath learn this: Always resolve your battles yourself, if there's a chance of you losing, then the AI will make sure you lose. Well, that's slightly exaggerated, but I can see where you're coming from... I still let the AI do my battles often: if it's clear I'm going to win and it's a large battle, doing it yourself takes too long. What I have learned is this: if you have a sizeable fighter fleet at your planet and you being attacked by a large Imp fleet with lots of capital ships, resolve the battle manually. If you do it yourself, you'll be sure to get at least one capital ship destroyed, whereas the AI won't do that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 You guys have the oddest things happen to you. Things like this, for some reason, never happen to me (sometimes I wish they would). I don't much about the way the AI works, but to me battles handled by the computer seem to be random, like the roll of a dice. To me it seems like the computer designates each ship, fighter, craft, etc a number. Then I suppose it does some sort of equation (maybe get the average for both sides) and from there, who ever has the highest (or lowest . . . depending on what work the computer does) wins. I'm guessing this because when I don't like the outcome of a battle, I load, throw in a fighter squadron or two or maybe a gunship, redo the battle and win. Another thing, though, is that I redid a battle with the AI after I did not like the results and it went from Rebellion winning to the Empire (me) winning. So it may also be random . . . but then again, if the numbers are the same for both sides (assuming the previous theory as what is truly happening), it probably goes random and "tosses a coin" for which side shall win. I also suppose that different craft have different values on different ships (i.e. fighters having a higher value against Death Stars). Just a few ideas, of course. SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 All very nice, SOCL, the point here, however, is not winning but losing two very particular kinds of capital ship as opposed to having no damage at all when you take them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mask Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 The Rebels can't control it. I suspect that the Death Star took out the Bulwark, then some of your fighters took out the Death Star. -Nope, I once did the same. I couldn't fire the laser, but neither could the AI. I think it's rather striking that, upon posting this topic, the thought crossed my mind to add the text "and don't tell me now you know why we choose to resolve battles personnally" but i decided against it because I presumed that you guys wouldn't be that smug... How wrong can you be... -Well, umm, ... Upon the outcome, that you didn't loose any other ship, when you took those out of the fleet : were some of the ships, that were still in the fleet damaged ? I read that about this one chance once in an official strategy guide in '98, so it does seem to be true, but the part about what ship the AI goes after was speculation. http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5183/animated9pn.gifhttp://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1778/reloadedbannerdu8.gifhttp://www.swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 Upon the outcome, that you didn't loose any other ship, when you took those out of the fleet : were some of the ships, that were still in the fleet damaged ? Nope, not a scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 Nope, not a scratch.That seems rather odd. . . . SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Not necessarily, if your fleet's big enough, and the opposing fleet is composed of just a few carracks you'll kill them before they make serious damage to tyour shields. http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Not necessarily, if your fleet's big enough, and the opposing fleet is composed of just a few carracks you'll kill them before they make serious damage to tyour shields.Yes, true. But every time I have a huge fleet against any number of enemy ships (one fighter to sqaudron to an overwelming force), I always get some damage inflicted on me. That's why I said it was rather odd. SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Well, SOCL, I virtually never have damage when I have an overwhelming force... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Well, SOCL, I virtually never have damage when I have an overwhelming force...I'm just an odd case, Scath. It's not like I loose a Star Destroyer or anything, but I always end up getting some damage to my fighters or a dinkie little star galleon. Not sure why I get damage when it seems a quick sweep of all the turbolasers would render the enemy fleet dust. . . . SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 I'm just an odd case, Scath. Well, duhh!!! It's not like I loose a Star Destroyer or anything, but I always end up getting some damage to my fighters or a dinkie little star galleon. I don't have any... Not sure why I get damage when it seems a quick sweep of all the turbolasers would render the enemy fleet dust. . . . Well, I've thought about that and come up with some interesting suggestions: 1. The game doesn't like you2. The game doesn't like you3. The game doesn't like youHmmm..., I wonder which one it is, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vakundok Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Scathane: What does happen, if you attack without the DS (but with the Bulwark)?I think, in strategic combat the DS is allways controlled by the empire.In tactical combat, you canot fire with it and the imperials canot harm it, so it is only a fighter carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormie Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 I'm just an odd case, Scath. Well, duhh!!! It's not like I loose a Star Destroyer or anything, but I always end up getting some damage to my fighters or a dinkie little star galleon. I don't have any... Not sure why I get damage when it seems a quick sweep of all the turbolasers would render the enemy fleet dust. . . . Well, I've thought about that and come up with some interesting suggestions: 1. The game doesn't like you2. The game doesn't like you3. The game doesn't like youHmmm..., I wonder which one it is, though... Number 2, number 2 Lost a planet Master Obi-Wan has, how embarrassing. - Yoda Do not count a human dead until you've seen his body, and even then you can make a mistake. - Bene Gesserit saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 Nah, it was a trick question option Nr. 3. vadunkok's question was interesting but the real question here is, what happens if you only go with the DS? http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vakundok Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 Even without carried fighters? In tactical, you get an endless battle. In strategic, it will flee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 One time with fighters the other without them. http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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