prefinal list of all starfighters :)

[Guest JediIgor]

OK, I thought we should finalize the starfighters (since there are only 4 of them), and so that we may start looking for ways to replace their sprites asap.

 

Here's what I was thinking.. and if you have a question as to why, please do ask.

 

Rebels start out with only A-Wing researched, but Imperials start out with the first 2..?

 

Rebels:

A-Wing

K-Wing

E-Wing

XJ X-Wing

 

Imperials:

TIE Interceptor

TIE Defender

TIE Scimitar

TIE Droid

[Venix]

Rebels start with 2 fighters at the beginning, Empire with 1.

 

I'm against having K-wings in, since they're post-Thrawn, and not in the books, and they take the place of the B-wing, and since the Rebs start with 2 fighters, we;re going to need another outdated fighter for them to start with.

 

So the Rebels would have :

 

A-wings *

B-wings *

E-wings

XJ X-wing

 

Imperial list is fine.

 

EDIT:

 

After talking to Igor, this might be a better list :

 

A-wing*

X-wing*

E-wing

K-wing

[Tsunami]

I would agree with the Dark Lord of Graphics's first list, although I'd swith X-Wing and E-Wing. The E-Wing is more advanced (at least the MK II version) due to its high powered lasers.

 

Imperials:

Interceptor

Scimitar

Defender

 

These should definetely be in there. As for the second starting fighter, I'm not sure. The Bomber and the Avenger are possibilities.

 

I'd vote against the Droid since we have no real World Devastators. It would be the cheap ship to throw at the rebels in the dozens. This is not warfare during the Thrawn period. This is classic thinking of the Emperor.

[Gank]

Venix's second list for rebs, and maybe switch the missile boat with the TIEdroid

[Tsunami]

Missile boat is no good. It has only one laser (=> laser attack strength of 2 or 3) and loads of torpedoes that can only be unloaded if the shields are already breached. Rebellion's mechanics are not up for the missile boat.

The K-Wing is a good idea, but if you are concerned about timeframe, it's way outta there. And it never became popular in the fleet due to its design flaws. Haven't seen any of them around in NJO, as opposed to the B-Wing.

[Gank]

Dunno where you get the idea that torpedos can only be fired when shields are down, haven't seen or read anything which suggest that. Missile boats the most powerful bomber the imps have and really the only option for a second bomber for the imps imo. As for the kwing thrawn trilogy takes place 5 years after endor and the black fleet after that. NJO is another 20 years after that iirc so the kwings not really out of the timeline.

[ElvisMiggell]

Hmm, a toughie this one is.

 

X-wing

A-wing

Already researched, followed by E-wing, then K-wing. Fits best with the time period and research order. I think.

 

I'd agree with Igor, by the time we get to the droid we're gonna want a ship that can be mass produced very cheaply, just to overwhelm the Reb pilots, who have better ships comparedto a droid.

[Tsunami]

The fire missiles only whe shields are down problem is a problem with the Rebellion engine, not with missiles or Missile Boats.

 

I would disagree with A-Wing, X-Wing, E-Wing and K-Wing.

The K-Wing doesn't fit in. If we have to wait for about 1000 days for the first bomber to come around. Plus, K-Wings were retired by the time of NJO (even before that), B-Wings weren't. The B-Wings are the mainstay bomber since the K-Wing suffered from its modular design (which we cannot take advantage of in Rebellion, nor the gun turret or the ability to carry plasma torpedos). Compared to the B-Wing or even the XJ-Wing or Y-Wing, K-Wings are flying glass dolls. There just was no use for a fast but sluggish and vulnerable bomber.

But that's just my two cents.

[ElvisMiggell]

I guess you're right, the B-wihng was around for much longer, that way we can have,

A-wing

B-wing

E-wing

XJ-Wing

[Tsunami]

That would be my guess, too. But I don't like the K-Wing much, so I am biased. But maybe there is something I overlooked in forming my opinion, so everybody feel free to point me to it.

[ElvisMiggell]

I don't remember much about the K-wing, apart from it playing a crucial ole in the BFC (Black Fleet Crisis) books, where it got mauled early on, but once the Rebs realized what was going on they did fine.

[Gank]

Mmmkay didnt know that about the rebellion engine but I tend to forget about fighters. Dont particularly like the Kwing myself but the xj is way way too far out. 1000 days is only 2 years which would fit in with the black fleet timeline iirc, xjs didnt appear until 20 years after thrawn trilogy. kwing does fit in with the timeline and its stats can be boosted to compensate for the lack of gunturret and plasma torpedos (euuch) Bear in mind too these are going to be 32*32 8 colour bitmaps so the look of them isnt really going to matter.

[Tsunami]

I don't think the XJ-Wing took that long. It is outdated in the NJO series and has already been replaced at least once. I think in one of the later classic books (maybe even during the Thrawn duologie), Luke is flying an X-Wing and describes it as 'having not much in common with the ship he used at Yavin'. So there were improvements all over the place, i.e. in Wraith Squadron, though these were minor ones.

 

As for the fighter bitmaps: where the heck are they stored? I looked into nearly every dll and could not find them. Are they stored as bitmaps or are they in a 302 or 303 folder?

[Gank]

Fighters are stored as bitmaps in the tactical.dll, get the converter to convert them

[Guest JediIgor]

Well, first of all concering the XJ X-Wing and the K-Wing, we will do whatever our poll outcomes will want us to do (so get your friends to vote! hehe)

 

Also, it seems like in the latest NJO books they are using XJ3 X-Wings, so they most likely updated it after the E-Wing was out (because old X-Wings are obsolete when compared to E-Wings).

 

As for the TIE Droid.. I understand that they were mass produced by World Devastators, but that was Palpatine's choice.. . By the time you actually get TIE Droids I think you wouldn't mind to have lots of cheap fighters to throw at the Rebels (like Elvis said)

[Trejiuvanat]

I agree with Tsunami against having the K-Wing in the TC.

X-Wing (not XJ, XJ appeared short before Vector Prime)

A-Wing

B-Wing

E-Wing

 

For the imps I like:

TIE Interceptor

TIE Defender

Scimitar Assault Bomber

 

FOr the fourth imp fighter I'm having some doubts , to have the TIE Droid would be just like having the T/Int twice since both are fast-cheap mass productin fighters, I was considering somethign better armed or better shielded. Perhaps some non-TIE design. Missileboat would have been fine, but because of the problem iwth the REb engine it is useless early in a fight. PErhaps the I-7 HOwlrunner or the A-9 vigilance could be, or perhaps the Preybird, though Imps fly them onlyduring the the HAnd fo Thrawn era, Thrawn insisted on using every resource available, so if he had had preybird he would have used them.

[ElvisMiggell]

Hmm, i think that the old Xwing needs replacing. If you look at the Rebels they tend to favour something that is more than just a gun platform. Even the Awing has missle launchers. This means that a slightly more rounded force is called for. The Rebs prefer flexibility.

A-wing

B-wing

then research,

E-wing

XJ3 somethingorother -wing

 

Imps prefer more specialised ships, with the exception of the TIE Defender. Gun platforms and missle platforms,

 

TIE Intercepter

TIE Defender

then research,

Scimiter

Droid

 

The Scimiter gives you a good anti-capital ship unit, the Droid gives you swarms of anti-fighter ability.

[Guest JediIgor]

Actually, a TIE Interceptor would be somewhat more expensive than a TIE droid, not to mention stronger, more maneuverable, etc.

 

Also, I'd like to keep the B-Wing and all, but then the Rebels would only get to research one fighter.

[ElvisMiggell]

So what about my idea then?

 

You get your B-wing, and the Imps get a good variation of ships.

[Guest JediIgor]

Maybe we should keep the B-Wing after all, but then let the rebels get an XJ X-Wing?

 

I would really hate it if the rebels only had one fighter to research.. that would... bite.

 

I mean, what's the difference between an A-wing and an X-wing? The X-wing is armed with torpedoes, the A-wing isn't. So why would anyone even bother building the A-wing? I don't know..

[Tsunami]

The A-Wing is far nimbler and faster. Excellent in dogfights, beaten only by the Defender and maybe the E-Wing (dunno about the A-9). They are somewhat weaker against capital ships than the X-Wings due to lower firepower concerning both lasers and torps.

 

Some ideas: During the Bacta War, there were already A-Wings MK II (with turnable guns). Somewhere in between there was the T-65C X-Wing. The NJO started with the T-65XJ; in SBS they were using T-65XJ3 and E-Wings MK IV.

 

To repeat myself (I do that a lot, don't I? ): Start off with A- and B-Wings, then E-Wing, then T-65 sumthin.

[Trejiuvanat]

The T65C could be fine for the Rebs.

So they would have

X-Wing T65C

A-Wing MkII

REsearch:

B-Wing E/2

E-WIng

 

As for the Imps the Interceptor will be more expensive and perhpas it could be equipped with shields. Thrawn began to equip them that way to prevent more pilots from dying.

TIE Interceptor

Tie Defender

REsearch:

Tie Scimitar

Tie Droid or A-9

 

The A-9 is faster than a TIe/Int and an A-Wing. No shields no hyp. TIE/Droid is justa s fast as an TIE/Int, no shields nor hyp either.

[the_mask]

Darn, I forgot that the T/F was out of the race, when I made the new tutorial.

 

Oh yeah, btw: I finished the tutorial on how to create new fighters and bring them into the game. Some fighters are already in it + a few surprises

Hope you like it !

[Tsunami]

I'd still say

A-Wing

B-Wing

Research would be:

E-Wing and

T-65## X-Wing

 

For the Imps I'd go for

Interceptor

Bomber

 

Researchable:

Scimitar and

Defender

 

Two good fighters for both sides to start. Imps are lacking ion cannons from the start due to rebel fighter superiority. Rebs get two dood dogfighters later on; Imps get a strong bomber and a superfighter wich is too costly to build great quantities of. Most of the time it should be more economical to chose Scimitars and Interceptors for their respectie tasks, but the Defender outclasses them all.

[ElvisMiggell]

I'd go with Tsunami on this one. The T65C was a two seat trainer, so i'd say the T65XJ, maybe XJ3, the XJ3 would be able to match a Defender in the hands of capable pilot...maybe?