What are people's 5 ESSENTIAL wants for Reb2?

[Darthvegeta800]

Probably way too late but:

 

1) More Force related options/chars

2) Diplomacy/economy extended.

3) Special Events/Story events improved/extended

4) A more realistic startup depending on era. Same with starting vessels/resources/troops

5) More famous canon chars like say Katarn, Jan, Jerec, Fel,... . And less marginals like in the game.

[mandalore-the-inquizitor]

well you all gommal think im a crazy but using eaw we could add thing and such whith a mod team we have every thing there to make rebellion 2 ecept idont know how youd do diplomacy put the other mission arent to hard to do is tou wnat to read my ides go to aoswmod.com fourms and look fo a post by tj that says star wars mod idea

[Darthvegeta800]

well you all gommal think im a crazy but using eaw we could add thing and such whith a mod team we have every thing there to make rebellion 2 ecept idont know how youd do diplomacy put the other mission arent to hard to do is tou wnat to read my ides go to aoswmod.com fourms and look fo a post by tj that says star wars mod idea

 

You have a point in that sabotage and the likes can be expanded upon for the special missions. Off course diplomacy will be gone. But frankly in SW Rebellion, diplomacy was a bit silly. Still it is possible to do in part. As Zahn's faction can at least turn part of the population to his side.

[mandalore-the-inquizitor]

also you could therettly have six fations in eaw foc

 

and four playable so possiby

Reb

imp

chiss

hapes

or

the smugelrs allaince

non playable

csf

hutts

planetary goverments

i have an idea for a mod but im no modder but i need to get my ideas down so

 

Mod

Heros Of the rebellion

and empire

Use all the heroes from star wars rebellion

Empire:

Brandei comands the isd 1 judicator

Bin Essada reduces cost of minig facilitys

Bane Nothos commads an nebulon frigate

Bevel Lemelisk lowers costs

Covell comads an at-st whith sheilds

Darth Vader

Dorja comads isd I relentless

Daala comands isd I gorgon

Emperor Palpatine

Grammel land commander same abiltys as feil commander

Garindan spy

Jerjerrod reduces cost of dethstar by 50 percent triples build time

Labansat nutilize hero

Menndo nutrilze hero

Niles Ferrier stealt commands stolen correlian gunshi with full salvo ability

Lorth Needa non cannon suvives vaders force assualt join rbels at tech 4 comans isd 2 avenger

Noval Garaint land unit stealt nutrilze hero swich weapon swich between blate rifle and vibro blade

Piett same as usal

Pellaeon rebellion hero tech 5 captains isd 2 chemeria

Pter Thanas rbel hero comands carak crusier dominant

Screed comands victory cruiser demolisher

Shenir Rix spy and stealth

Thrawn comamd adomitor

Villar commands an elite tie squdron

Veers same

Zuggs commands imprial strike crusier

 

Rebellion:

Adar Tallon Comands acclamator I crusire

Afyon

Ackbar home one

Bren Derlin ground commander On foot like katarn

Borsk Fey'lya same abilitys as mon mothma

Carlist Rieekan comans stolen at-at painted dark red

Chewbacca

Crix Madine field commander escorted by infiltrators stealth

Drayson same abilitys as fleet comander comands captuerd victory two crusire bost shelids ability

Garm Bel Iblis peregre dreadnaugt increce shelid ability and ion cannons

Han Solo

Huoba Neva captains modified nebulon frigate whith hevier armor and ion canons instead of lasers has assault abillity

Jan Dodonna comands a modifided t4b tank whith sheilds on groun and lowers enemy moral

Kaiya Andrimetrum genaral comes whith page and his commandoes

Lando Calrissian smuggler commands lady luck

Leia Organa comand the veranator crusir hope carrys multiple fighter squadrons

Luke Skywalker same

Mazer Rackus commands a squadron of pirate fighters

Mon Mothma same

Ma'w'shiye spy abilty stealth sabatoge

Narra commands elite x-wing squadron

Orrimaarko infiltrator stealth

Page comes whith cmmands has thermal detinator abillity

Roget Jiriss commands modified the frontier hawk uses stock model of mulinium falcon

Sarin Virgilio commands a correlian gunship whith full slavo ability

Syub Snunb comand nebulon frigate anterse six after tech 3 command majestic class crusier resolve

Talon Karrde commands wild karrde modified pirat frigate whith three turbolases wht tractor beam abillity and power sheilds

Tura Raftican spy slash infiltrator

Vanden Willard reduces prices of fild and fleet commandes

Wedge Antilles comands rouge squadron

[mandalore-the-inquizitor]

also you could therettly have six fations in eaw foc

 

and four playable so possiby

Reb

imp

chiss

hapes

or

the smugelrs allaince

non playable

csf

hutts

planetary goverments

i have an idea for a mod but im no modder but i need to get my ideas down so

 

Mod

Heros Of the rebellion

and empire

Use all the heroes from star wars rebellion

Empire:

Brandei comands the isd 1 judicator

Bin Essada reduces cost of minig facilitys

Bane Nothos commads an nebulon frigate

Bevel Lemelisk lowers costs

Covell comads an at-st whith sheilds

Darth Vader

Dorja comads isd I relentless

Daala comands isd I gorgon

Emperor Palpatine

Grammel land commander same abiltys as feil commander

Garindan spy

Jerjerrod reduces cost of dethstar by 50 percent triples build time

Labansat nutilize hero

Menndo nutrilze hero

Niles Ferrier stealt commands stolen correlian gunshi with full salvo ability

Lorth Needa non cannon suvives vaders force assualt join rbels at tech 4 comans isd 2 avenger

Noval Garaint land unit stealt nutrilze hero swich weapon swich between blate rifle and vibro blade

Piett same as usal

Pellaeon rebellion hero tech 5 captains isd 2 chemeria

Pter Thanas rbel hero comands carak crusier dominant

Screed comands victory cruiser demolisher

Shenir Rix spy and stealth

Thrawn comamd adomitor

Villar commands an elite tie squdron

Veers same

Zuggs commands imprial strike crusier

 

Rebellion:

Adar Tallon Comands acclamator I crusire

Afyon

Ackbar home one

Bren Derlin ground commander On foot like katarn

Borsk Fey'lya same abilitys as mon mothma

Carlist Rieekan comans stolen at-at painted dark red

Chewbacca

Crix Madine field commander escorted by infiltrators stealth

Drayson same abilitys as fleet comander comands captuerd victory two crusire bost shelids ability

Garm Bel Iblis peregre dreadnaugt increce shelid ability and ion cannons

Han Solo

Huoba Neva captains modified nebulon frigate whith hevier armor and ion canons instead of lasers has assault abillity

Jan Dodonna comands a modifided t4b tank whith sheilds on groun and lowers enemy moral

Kaiya Andrimetrum genaral comes whith page and his commandoes

Lando Calrissian smuggler commands lady luck

Leia Organa comand the veranator crusir hope carrys multiple fighter squadrons

Luke Skywalker same

Mazer Rackus commands a squadron of pirate fighters

Mon Mothma same

Ma'w'shiye spy abilty stealth sabatoge

Narra commands elite x-wing squadron

Orrimaarko infiltrator stealth

Page comes whith cmmands has thermal detinator abillity

Roget Jiriss commands modified the frontier hawk uses stock model of mulinium falcon

Sarin Virgilio commands a correlian gunship whith full slavo ability

Syub Snunb comand nebulon frigate anterse six after tech 3 command majestic class crusier resolve

Talon Karrde commands wild karrde modified pirat frigate whith three turbolases wht tractor beam abillity and power sheilds

Tura Raftican spy slash infiltrator

Vanden Willard reduces prices of fild and fleet commandes

Wedge Antilles comands rouge squadron

 

 

NOw if i had a mod team this would be awsome

Edited July 20, 2007 by mandalore-the-inquizitor

[Darthvegeta800]

Frankly a lot of more important Canon chars should go in your mod and others be dumped. I never understood some of the Rebellion char choices at times.

[tacoJoemeru]

That sounds like EaW....

[Peregrinus]

There is much awesomeness in this thread. My friend and I started on a design.doc for Rebellion 2 sometime in 2000. I'm going to paraphrase, as a lot of it echoes much of what's already been posted.

 

So here we go...

 

THE MAP

•Zoomable, "steerable" galaxy map, with regional borders (Deep Core, Expansion Region, Corporate Sector, etc.), much like the map shown in the Ultimate Visual Guide, or the forthcoming atlas.

•Sectors are amorphous and variably-sized, using movies and novels as inspiration.

•Hovering the mouse pointer over a sector highlights it and brings up some sort of sector status summary box.

•Catastrophic events cause the sector they happen in to flash for attention.

•Once soomed in to a sector, the system's suns are labelled. The Rebellion system of affiliation and degree of foment works great for instant intuitive sit-rep.

•Zooming into a system (I have ideas for the graphics this would involve, will post later if asked) gets similarly-labelled planets, disposition of ship activity, and so forth.

•Open battles on (or under) a planet's surface would work best if able to port in the Battlefront engine and models. Playing out campaigns in this way would extend gameplay for those who like long, epic gameplay.

 

CHARACTERS

•More characters, for both sides, plus unaffiliated. With top-notch art and animated interaction.

•Ability to "piggyback" after assigning to a mission, to take over direct control and leave again as desired.

•"Conference room" setting for assigning to missions -- Death Star, Home One, Massassi Briefing Room, etc. Available characters will be present. Those on missions won't be.

•Rebels recruit. Empire doesn't.

•Characters can be attached to ground or space battles (as appropriate) to augment the abilities of those present. This is also more direct than abstract.

 

MANAGEMENT

•Once your faction gains control of a planet/system/sector, its resources come in automatically, modified by opposing action (rebellion, interdiction, pirates, etc.).

•Trade, on all scales, is good for the economy and for morale. Although the Empire will start with control of more systems, the Rebellion will affect trade, and thus the galactic economy and morale. The Empire player will be playing to prevent this, and the Rebel player will be playing to magnify this.

•Taking a cue from dating sims will give good models for active diplomacy, negotiating with crime lords, and using Imperial fear tactics.

•Timeline is important. If gameplay starts right at the outbreak of the Clone Wars, there is already a strong division in politics and loyalties. The evolution of events and development of ships nad technology would proceed nicely from there.

 

GAMEPLAY

•Something dynamic and slewable for the galactic, sector, and system maps would be perfect. In my head, a bit like the Stellar Cartography room in Star Trek: Generations.

•The Homeworld engine would be awesome for large-scale space battles.

•The Battlefront engine would be great for ground battles.

•Any way to combine the zoomability and scope of Homeworld with the direct control of X-Wing: Alliance, say? Ability to climb in the cockpit of a fighter, freighter, or other minor vessel at whim?

•Tech develops automatically in the background. Jedi starfighters evolve, V-Wings get introduced, Venators are supplemented and then succeeded by Victorys, Imperials, and so forth. But the player determines when and how many get built.

•Better starfighter labelling, too. The Rebellion has colour designations for their squadrons (Gold, Red, Blue, Green, Grey...), whilst the Empire has more monochrome/nasty/military names (Black, Obsidian, 181st, Emperor's Shield, etc...).

 

There's a lot more, but those are the broad strokes. It would be programming intensive, but basing the gameplay off of established engines would help a bit. THe trick would be getting them to flow one into another smoothly. Blu-Ray DVD-ROM would pretty much be a necessary format. But I think the ability to change your perspective from the entire galaxy all the way down to a single Stormtrooper is key. As well as unalterable events, like Palpatine declaring himself Emperor and issuing Order 66 or the Yuuzhong Vong invasion. For things like Order 66, a random-number subroutine to determine if any Jedi survive, and which ones, and where they hide -- maybe stumble across them later in the game, maybe not, maybe source of missions ("Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope...").

 

One thing I loved about the first game was the ability to name your ships. I had all my Star Destroyers, Interdictors, and all twenty SSDs named after ships from the movies, books, and games. It was lovely. And I named my Death Star "Harmless Ore-Processing Station". But I think the AI should have more in its databanks for auto-assigning names than "Star Detroyer 15".

 

I would also like to have something in the game for matching commanders to their ships. Maybe automatically, maybe not. Maybe a bonus to commander and/or ship when you do it manually... Not clearly thought out yet, but the germ of the idea is there.

 

I'll let y'all pick apart what I've posted so far.

 

--Jonah

[Darthvegeta800]

A mix of EAW and Rebellion would best in my opinion.

If you see how great EAW turned out when Ultimate Empire At War or some other mods are applied to it. The game could have been so much more. However change the galaxy map to turn by turn and expand on the techrace, building, char-actions and diplomacy. -> Expanded upon Rebellion. Now that would be the best of 2 worlds.

Actionwise, graphicwise i loved EAW, the cinematic mode was great fun.

Rebellion on the other hand had macrolevel options all worked out. And off course a far bigger galaxy map. (though more and more mods are adding planets)

[Moribundus]

Blu-Ray DVD-ROM would pretty much be a necessary format.

 

You gotta be kidding me, right?

 

I also made a mention somewhere on this forum (in the form of thread I guess) that am working on an engine (game framework) for a Rebellion 2, if you're interested.

[Peregrinus]

Why kidding about the Blu-Ray DVD part? This is gonna have a lot of data to cram onto distribution media. I hate games that are spread over multiple discs. Data density is our friend.

 

--Jonah

[JeZuS]

But Blue ray?

 

That is a hell of a lot of data. Unless you are working on it with a large game company with a team of developers, it wil take you the rest of your natural life to fill even a DVD.

[JanDeis]

Also, do you plan on recording the entire history of Star Wars into one game? I know there is want for massive expansion in Rebellion 2, but like JeZuS said, that is a lot of data!

[Peregrinus]

By comparison... When Riven (the sequel to Myst) first came out it was on five CD-ROMs. I later got a Myst 10th anniversary collection with the first three Myst games on a single DVD-ROM each. Rebellion was on a single CD-ROM. Galaxies (for example) has been on many, between the original game and all the expansions.

 

If we did a direct sequel to Rebellion that was expanded to a more accurate scope, it would probably be on more than one disc. Add engines for expanded ship and ground combat, an expanded roster of characters and ships, padded with enough extra data to allow for 3D models and animation of same... Well, it might all fit on a single regular DVD-ROM.

 

I'm not looking to put the entire history of the Star Wars univers into a single game, but there's a lot of unseen background data needed to make a large-scope game like Rebellion II ought to be smooth and fun.

 

--Jonah

[Evaders99]

Most of the game's data these days isn't text - its high-end graphical models and sounds. Unless you want super-detailed models to really tax off the video card, I doubt you would need such data storage.

 

Of course I am speaking of today. What we'll see from games in the next 5 years, who knows. I have no doubt that Blu-ray or HD-DVD will be necessary for some games.

[Moribundus]

Besides, strategy games need the least amount od raw data compared to the other game genres (maybe with the exception of puzzle games ). Players don't require the same level of detail as FPSs have when they're commanding their SSD armada. Imho most of the space on the dvd is stuffed with FMV cutscenes for the game's single-player campaigns anyway (and I somehow doubt you could use SW footage for this, unless you're GL in disguise of course )

[steel]

Well technically you could do a high render scene pass using the models and it would look amazing. and if you bought the movie soundtracks you could possibly use them as music to the scene.

 

I would love to do a full intro and some FMV's for the game

 

Duel of the Fates intro anyone???

[Callahan]

I would love to see planetary attacks last longer than one day. Would give you time to send reinforcements from nearby bases/fleets. Maybe in a way like an ongoing process with checkbox for a fleet.

 

Freighters! Build fleets with freighters and escorts and set them to something like "auto trade".

I imagine this like the following. Set up a Fleet which remembers the start planet on which it buys resources and gains resources on arriving on an allied/neutral world relative to distance.

Making them imobile for X days while unloading will give enemies a chance to strike at them.

This should work AI controlled to not consume to much time for the player.

This would give the rebels a chance to cripple Imperial economy as they can ambush or capture these ships. May be convenient to add Shuttle/ATR "fighter" squadrons for taking over ships without risking own capships.

 

Empty sectors.

Sectors without planets from which to attack nearby sectors with fighters. Also, this could be used to construct platforms/spyprobes to detect fleets in nearby sectors/minefields within them.

 

Make ships have maximum range per hyperspace jump. So you will need platforms/bases to reach further into enemy territory.

 

As stated by others, I support the idea of having neutral fleets with older ships and fighters, like the good old z-95. Having an aggressive Empire, these forces could join the Rebels on withdrawing from battle and help form up the Alliance early in the game.

[budious]

Stylization

 

Rebellion holds a unique status in the Star Wars gaming catalog, it is the only title that plays out from an alternative history starting point and the outcome of the game is controlled entirely by the player. The game starts after A New Hope but includes technologies and characters from the latter episodes and expanded universe but most importantly, isolated from the influence of the prequels. It's this simplistic and wholesome positioning of the franchise rooted firmly in the post A New Hope universe that our story begins, can be controlled by our actions, and the fate of the Star Wars universe lies in our hands. Yes, there are a few scripted actions like Luke going to Dagobah, or Solo being captured by bounty hunters, but we never have to endure Hoth, Cloud City, or Ewoks. Lando Calrissian has a clean reputation to build on, Boba Fett doesn't die pathetically in the mouth of the Sarlec, and his boss Jabba is still around. Rebellion II should embrace this ANH centric glimpse of the Star Wars universe and such be a reboot of Rebellion I and not a proper sequel.

 

George Orwell's 1984

Terry Gilliam's Brazil

Alan Moore's Watchmen

... does Rebellion/Rebellion II have a place amongst great alternative history, technologically challenged dystopias?

 

Budious' Wants

I want the Tie Fighter game engine in the tactical mode so I can play strategy up to the battle, then switch over to the joystick and lead the attack!

 

Also, I want no hard coded blocks on pairing Luke and Leia on romantic getaway missions to luscious jungle moons.

 

Missions to Tattooine by Han Solo result in his capture by Jabba. Only Luke can lead a successful rescue mission.

 

Greedo is NOT in the game, Han shot first, and KILLED him in ANH (proper). In fact, bar all references to continuity to prequels and special editions, and ESB and RotJ. The original game's timeline is directly after ANHs conclusion. Rebellion II should be a remake or reboot rather than a proper sequel, else we killed Vader and Emperor and captured Coruscant already, or else the Alliance lost... duh.

 

Scrap the whole research mission, it's tedious and unnecessary constraint. Use proper tech leveling at various intervals, stages in game transition if you must. Recruitment missions are also tedious and unnecessary (imo), make all A-list characters available at start, then set a base rate for each side to acquire B-list characters which can be influenced by rate of expansion, but capped to a reasonable number. B-list characters can be randomly generated and replace killed characters.

 

Focus more on espionage, abduction, assassination, sabotage, incite uprising, diplomacy missions and greater character diversity. Random name and character generator to replace those B-list characters that killed in action inevitable, A-list characters of course don't die.