Let me explain first. My mother took out a restraining order against my father shortly after I moved out of the house. What it said was Mom and Dad are to have absolutely NO contact. This is part of the order she doesn't seem to understand. In the 15 months the order has been in effect she has called him about 10 times. Also included in the order is a rule saying that Dad cannot contact any of the boys that live with her, which is all 5 of my brothers. They can initiate contact whenever they want, but he can't call just to say hi. That would be just fine. The problem is that she only has a cell phone. SO, if the boys want to talk to Dad they have to go through her to get the phone. They all know what she thinks of Dad and don't want to have to hear it anymore. I've told her flat out before that I would stop talking to her if she continued to bad mouth him in front of me (or my brothers and I found out about it). Dad has talked to the rest of the boys MAYBE 5 times since Dec. of 2004. And 2 of those times they were talking on MY cell phone when I went to Seattle to visit them. I called Dad while I was there and when I was done talking to him I asked if they wanted to talk. Mom has Peter so brainwashed into believing that his father is such a dirty bastard that he didn't even want to talk the first time I called from their house. Another thing my mother can't seem to figure out, despite multiple judges telling her, is that child-support and visitation are 2 seperate and distinct issues. They are completely independent of each other. Dad is behind on his child-support. He's been going through financial difficulties for several years as he struggles to get his chiropractic business off the ground. (So if anyone decides to move to the Twin Cities PM me and I'll give you the name of a really good Chiro you can go see. ) Mom isn't the only one who is to blame in this situation, but Dad is being the adult, so I'm siding with him (when I take sides, that is...). To answer your direct question Scath, my bros are 22, 16, 12, 11 and 9.