Wanted - List of Imperial Ranks

[teukros]

As for Dark Empire, I personally never liked that storyline. Cloned Emperor, Thrawn being nothing more than a puppet, world devastators, dark side Luke... They never made much sense to me, I never considered them part of my "personal canon".

 

I also skipped that one. Bizarre even by Star Wars standards. Which explains why I never read anything with Daala...

 

 

@GMConway, I hope you get better.

 

Here, here.

[Mad78]

I always liked Pellaon because i found that he was one of the cleverest Imperials.

[Darth-Griffin]

Daala was one of my fav's as she made looking bad, look good

Lose this ship, that ship and oooooppsss best retreat now

[BadSamaritan]

Daala was a only a mediocre commander, at best. The tactics she used after leaving the Maw were all out-dated. That, and she tried to do with three warships what an entire empire could not. Being froced to go toe-to-toe with Ackbar certainly didnt help her plans that much.

 

Although she was intelligent enough to manage to bring the empire back into some semblance of order. To bad she wasnt intelligent enough to do anything with her new found power. All she accompleshed then was to level a few worlds, lose a SSD, and who knows how many other valuable warships in the battle over Yavin IV.

 

Also, Pelleon fully deserves the rank of Grand Admiral. He studied under Thrawn, had learned to respect his enemies, and knew how NOT to waste resources, unlike most of the other commanders in the fleet at the time of his accension to power. Frankly, he was the only one who deserved the rank then.

[Mad78]

I don't think Daala was such a bad commander but she was too impulsive.

But i agree with you on Pellaon.

[Paul]

Daala was only written badly-from the "Rebels must win" school of writing. She was tough and had potential, if written properly. She is my favorite female Star Wars personality that I didn't create. I do have my favorites among my own creations of course!-Grand Moff Conway

[Mad78]

I do have my favorites among my own creations of course!-Grand Moff Conway

Could you give us a few examples please

[Trejiuvanat]

I do have my favorites among my own creations of course!-Grand Moff Conway

Could you give us a few examples please

 

They should be in the Cards database. Search for *Conway as an author.

[Paul]

They will be listed as Paul as the author Trej. I only used my first name on my cards. Darth Melissa is one female favorite, but my favorite is an unreleased card of Jamie Dorja- I did give a copy of it to Jahled though I don't know if he uses it. I have about 2/3 of my staff as females in my Rebellion world. -Grand Moff Conway

[Trejiuvanat]

Oops. Forgot that they'd appear authored under your current username.

[Jahled]

....but my favorite is an unreleased card of Jamie Dorja- I did give a copy of it to Jahled though I don't know if he uses it.

 

He might consider doing so if you supplied him with something he can realistically get his evil photomashing mittens onto! There simply wasn't enough to get started with the card you blasted my way dude! See if you can find the original source pic and i'll see what I can mash up in PS!

 

BTW: I found an ancient 'Imperial Rank' thingy for cards from a long dead site if anyone is interested.

[Darth-Griffin]

Yep i am

 

Email in sig.

 

Thanks

[Darth-Griffin]

There is something i am really after & thats a good textured version of the Eclipse SSD. The one in the downloads is a bit bland & i love the ship, especially after i played with the stats a bit and made it a bit more realistic

[Darth-Griffin]

If a kind hearted soul who is good with graphics (ahem ) could look at this image and add some imperial ships or something to it i would be most appreciative

 

http://www.diplomats-empire.com/forum/images/avatars/4416772874215209857e83.jpg

 

I really like the image but it doesnt look very imperial

If it would be easier i have the 300x300 & 1024x768 images as well.

[Jahled]

Yep i am

 

Email in sig.

 

Thanks

 

Otherway round.... email me and i'll forward the winzip file...

[Darth-Griffin]

Email sent

[Krytos]

If a kind hearted soul who is good with graphics (ahem ) could look at this image and add some imperial ships or something to it i would be most appreciative

 

http://www.diplomats-empire.com/forum/images/avatars/4416772874215209857e83.jpg

 

I really like the image but it doesnt look very imperial

If it would be easier i have the 300x300 & 1024x768 images as well.

 

Well here's a quicky, I just added a few TIEs and an ISD to it.

 

http://img126.exs.cx/img126/7492/darthgriffin6gg.jpg

 

I've got a better one on the way . . . well, I hope it's better

 

EDIT:

Not exactly what I invisioned, though here it is anyway

 

http://img138.exs.cx/img138/8686/darthgriffin21iz.jpg

[Evaders99]

Pretty cool, I like those avatars very much.

[Mad78]

I will give the avatar a shoot a little later today.

[Darth-Griffin]

Looking good people

Please keep them coming.

[SOCL]

Amazing, a conversation from Imperial ranks to Thrawn to Daala to avatars. Seems like normal, everyday SWR to me.

 

Spoliers ahead!

 

Something that should be noted is that Zaarin being replaced by Thrawn is probably not an isolated incident (or at least shouldn't be treated as one). It's quite possible that out of thirteen grand admirals we know of (Thrawn having been the 13th to replace one of the original twelve), there could be a handful more who replaced old or "undesirable" grand admirals, which explains why there are so many names for grand admirals floating around. Additionally, remember that some rogue admirals called themselves grand admiral after the fall of the Emperor, for instance, in Stackpole's X-Wing: Bacta War, the captain of the Lusankya ended up calling himself grand admiral for only a few minutes before he was...detained by his own men. Then people like Zsinj wore a Grand Admirals uniformed and gave off the air of being an officer of such high rank, though, in fact, he was only an admiral before that. All that, including the mystery that lies behind that particular rank, causes a lot of sources to be off. That's not to say we don't know who the real grand admirals are, it's just quite possible that the reason there is so much confusion is because of the post-Endor drama and the fact that the rank of Grand Admiral during Palpatine's reign was all ready mysterious enough on its own that it's quite possible, possibly even likely that false names were spread in rumors so that the real Grand Admirals couldn't be identified. Remember, these were guys of rank higher than High Admirals, Moffs, Grand Moffs, and Supreme Moffs, so they were probably up to classified operations/no good (or good, depending on your point-of-view).

 

Daala, I agree with Paul, was written from a "Rebels-must-win" point-of-view. I believe she was a truly competent person who was always at the wrong place at the wrong time. For instance, losing a Star Destroyer (Hydra) before being able to go into action sucks, much less the loss of another when Ackbar rammed a Mon Cal cruiser into it, and then losing a third to an supernova. Now that's just plain bad luck. Even so, though, I think that those initial events in Daala's career (and the fact that her career really didn't start until after the fall of the Empire Proper) messed with her ability to reason, causing her to go on fanatical operations like the one in Darksaber against Yavin IV. Of course, that novel is another case of the good-guys-must-win syndrome (Jedis flinging an entire fleet across the galaxy...please ) because before that Daala proved herself a great Imperial officer when she forced the warlords into unification (even if it cost her the warlords).

 

Pellaeon. Gilad Pellaeon. I truly like his character, and I believe he is simply another one of those officers, like Daala, who did his duty, but simply was in the wrong place at the wrong time and the Fates were against him. Think about it. At Endor, his captain is killed and he has the bear the burden of calling the retreat from the battlefield. What kind of guilt did he live with for that(?), to then find the Empire in shambles controlled by people like Isard, Zsinj, and Harsk. Then you have him as de facto second-in-command to one of the galaxy's most powerful men, the tactical genius that was Thrawn, to then witness his commander's death aboard the bridge of his ship! THE GUILT! Then everything down to having to be the one to go with logic and call for a peace treaty! This is a man who served the Empire well, doing his duty and always following orders. He could have quite easily become a warlord and done whatever the hell he wanted, but he, like Daala, stayed loyal to the Imperial ideal and, in my opinion, deserved his rank. It would be interesting to know, though, what Pellaeon thinks and if he believes he deserves the rank....

[teukros]

Interesting post (although I've never read a single novel with Daala in it and remain in the dark about her character)!

 

So if I understand correctly, "Grand Admirals" were in military circles what the Hands were in espionage circles?

[Mad78]

That's about how things are i think

[SOCL]

Basically, think of grand admiral as rank you can't really achieve by conventional means (in other words, you can't be promoted to it from the rank of high admiral), instead, you had to be directly appointed by the Emperor himself. You can think of it like the Hands, but you can also think of it as Cabinet positions in the governments (except not needing a Senate confirmation hearing per individual). Another comparison is to a Moff, Grand Moff, or Supreme Moff...officials who answer directly to the Emperor without that pesky political ladder, expect in the case of a Grand Admiral, they are primarily military commanders versus Moffs who are primarily governors. Of course, that's not to say that Grand Admirals can't be governors and Moffs can't be military commanders. To put it crudely (this is an example that applies to all most all cases), Moffs are basically civilians and Grand Admirals are military (again, this is generalization...there are exceptions).

[Paul]

Good to see you around SOCL !!!-Grand Moff Conway