Republic UTAT repulsor tank

[Nomada_firefox]

Impressive models, about the UTAT you said you can't put in the anti infantry turrets? Did you take a look at the Gargantua's code? It has multiple turrets...or is this for Reg EAW?

I add the model on one eaw mod, I have the original max file waiting to one Alliance FOC.

[Droid803]

I would trust SW:CW over SWGB <- its not know to be particularly canon...

Yes, multiple, independently tracking turrets are not feasible in EaW, but are in FoC, It'd be awesome to see some of that stuff in action.

[Nomada_firefox]

I would trust SW:CW over SWGB <- its not know to be particularly canon...

Yes, multiple, independently tracking turrets are not feasible in EaW, but are in FoC, It'd be awesome to see some of that stuff in action.

Good I wait make all the Alliance mod on FOC adding the new FOC characteristic, changing the gold colour to be possible because I hate it and making a different side with underworld, I will change all the heros on FOC. About maps they will the maps from EAW Alliance, I think that they are better with the 98 planet campaign.

 

The unique problem it when I will end the conversion, I would like make it fast but I think that I can be making it one year.

[jedi_consulor]

Don't distribute any portion of the software (the model), and don't modify or prepare derivative works of the Software except when allowed. By when allowed they mean you can mod the game.

 

 

This is the part of the actual copyright for the game. I assume from this that we can mod the where allowed. This I expect is in the released source files. Nomada the source files are not just in the exe, they are compiled files for the game to be executable with certain checks and settings for the game to work.

 

PG released the source code in the map editor. There files are usually compiled as meg files and need a meg extractor to view them so they too are actually compiled source files. When they released them in the map editor, the decompiled the xmls for us so we can mod with them.

 

Some Lua files cannot be decompiled in note pad and are not very readable. Others ARE.

 

However, the thing that should be noted about Nomada's mod is that he has used models from other games in Star Wars yes, but several of those models are from mod teams not from the actual official game they were designed to mod in the first place.

 

X-Wing Alliance's mod team will generally release models to other people on other mod projects if people ask for them and give proper credits to their mod team.

 

As for the other models that where made for other mods like BF - it is really up to Nomada to provide the evidence that he got permission to use those models in his mod.

 

What IS illegal is porting models from games that were not made by a mod team but the game developers. You'd really have to contact them and say "hey can I use those models in Empire AT War - please ?" - generally under the terms of a copyright agreement - you shall not copy, redistribute, reverse engineer any software with out permission. so in redistributing, it means that any part of the software should not used else where where it was not authorised.

 

I do not accept the argument that you can use FOC source - models or anything else in the original EAW game. It breaks the law under the copyright agreement.

 

Porting is illegal where no permission is found. Porting is not if they obtained permission. (In which case proper credits are required sowe know who made the original model) or source code.

 

JMO

 

JC

[Nomada_firefox]

I have release the last EAW Alliance 1.6 version, the next will be on FOC.

You can download it on www.firefoxccmods.com and www.clannomada.com

 

I would forgot all this rights problems, now that we have clarified them.

And I would like remember you that I´m not the unique EAW or FOC modmaker with models from other mods from other games or other models only, I know many more mods with this problem and probably incomplete credits or people on credits taken the work from other people and you only have taken me as a the great culprit because I have tried explain to  you who created the models, probably a bit bad because I´m not english and my english is very bad.

 

And not ask me that I tell you the name of them because I do not go to do them public.

 

About my mod, you can take the models that I have created but to use some models as the UTAT, Rand Ecliptic, Valiant, Naboo Royal Cruiser, all Evilljedi models and many more you need ask to the creators, I can not give you permission.

[jedi_consulor]

Evile Jedi models are for the community Nomada. Everyone has access to them and to use them in EAW mods. All is required is that you should mention that Evile Jedi is the Author of those models - not the people who convert them. You should give credits to the people who did the conversion, and the original author (Evile JEdi)

 

This is how I understand it.

 

For the Rand Ecliptic etc, you will need to publish the names of the people who did the conversions and skins etc. Otherwise people do not know who to ask at all.

 

The only ship in that list that interests me would be the Rand Ecliptic

[Nomada_firefox]

Evile Jedi models are for the community Nomada. Everyone has access to them and to use them in EAW mods.

I´m a very confuse with it because when I ask him about convert some of his models, he ask me about what models.

 

And I do not accept the argument about mods are legal on EAW or FOC because I have not seen nothing writed by Lucasarts.

 

For the Rand Ecliptic etc, you will need to publish the names of the people who did the conversions and skins etc. Otherwise people do not know who to ask at all.

Good I have only permission to use these models on my mod, not on your mod. If you want it, you will can not take my file, on this moment nobody has this models on EAW or FOC as I convert them.

[Dr. Nick]

I´m a very confuse with it because when I ask him about convert some of his models, he ask me about what models.

 

That is because it's HIS right to know which models you convert if he wishes to do so.

 

Good I have only permission to use these models on my mod, not on your mod.

You still have not presented any evidence that you do. And I know for sure that some of these models and skins are directly from SW: BF 2.

[jedi_consulor]

I´m a very confuse with it because when I ask him about convert some of his models, he ask me about what models.

 

And I do not accept the argument about mods are legal on EAW or FOC because I have not seen nothing writed by Lucasarts.

Good I have only permission to use these models on my mod, not on your mod. If you want it, you will can not take my file, on this moment nobody has this models on EAW or FOC as I convert them.

 

That is actually besides the point and your contradicting yourself.

 

You stated if people want to use those models they will have to ask the person who made them. In this case it seems to be some one called DTM

 

As far as I am concerned you still need to give people more than that to actually say how this persona can be contacted. Is this guy a member of our community ? - why refer to him as DTM ? - why no other information how we should contact him ?

 

Nomada if you say we need to ask some one for permission to use a model I expect you to give us the contact details - not tell use we cannot use those models because they are for you. If this is the case you should state these models were made for your mod. which would then contrict your first message saying people should contact the guy who made the model in the first place.

 

Do me a favour.. Just stop doing this, if you say people need to contact him, then tell people HOW TO. If your own credits are legal you have nothing to fear from this do you

 

In this case I refer to the Rand Ecliptic.

 

As for Evile JEdi As long as you credit Evile JEdi in your mod as the the author of the models then your credits should be fine. I am sure evile Jedi does not want to be swamped with hundreds of emails all asking for permission. It is enough that you state that he is the author of the models.

 

Evile JEdi can at any time refuse a mod to use his models is he so wishes. Its his right to. Which I would expect some times he will ask what models your using. I am not getting into a debate on permissions on this where in the past it has been satisfactory for people to ensure their credits file mentions Evile JEdi. This normally has been enough to satify the legal use of such models.  :

[Nomada_firefox]

You still have not presented any evidence that you do. And I know for sure that some of these models and skins are directly from SW: BF 2.

Have you evidence that is it true? Are you accuse me? You have not evidence and you should stop on accuse me.

 

I do not need give you one evidence as other modmakers have done on EAW or FOC. You have my word.

 

 

About contact information.

 

Implacable Battlecruiser is a model from Evilljedi as many others models as the Nebula Star Destroyer. I must remember you that on my mod there are many Evilljedi mods how never you have seen on EAW or FOC, some as the SSD Venganza and SSD have different textures, glows and more. And on special there are many models as the MC104 with many more hardpoints than on other mods.

 

Rand Ecliptic and Royal Nabbo Cruiser are from DTM http://www.mtdindustries.com/xwa/

 

Valiant Cruiser are from Vince. http://www.bluephantom.de/capships.html

 

UTAT is from Doofi and you can contact him on derDooFi@gmx.de

 

You can contact them on their web sites, you can contact with me on suarezdog@hotmail.com

[jedi_consulor]

yep the point is - is that if sharing conversions was a problem for Evile Jedi to keep track of no one would share them in the first place. I do not accept the excuse "this is for my mod only" rubbish. People often share models they have converted in the community for the good of the community for sharing.

 

People who can't see this sadly are hurting the community IMO

 

sote my own mod has its own unique models too mate. conversions that have been made to a certain high quality. Does not mean I will never share those models with other mods after my mod is publically available.

 

I am appauled and sickened by people who cannot "share" it is like they have not been able to grow up and leave their childhood behind.

 

Does not matter how unique you say your models are - if you are not sharing them with other mods this is your progative, however it will also make you disliked by others too.

 

The XWA Mod team does not seem to me the kind of people who would restrict the use of models with one person. A friend of mine Daft Vader just obtained permission for their models also. It was not some kind of elite thing where only certain people can have these precious models.

 

I also relent int he fact I am sure Evile Jedi does not want to be hassled by countless e-mails every day for people asking to use this model... or that one.

 

For people who want this Rand Ecliptic.. Sgt Hicks as some will know - will be aware he is doing his own conversion for the community he said he will be releasing as a free model.

 

Implacable - is warlords end of. XWA models - easily just get permission from their team. If Nomada converted some XWA models then I expect that he will require his name mentioned in the credits file. (For the conversion to EAW Format)

 

JC

[Nomada_firefox]

I never have told that I do not go to share the new models on community, I only tell the things that the creators told to me. When I asked them, I did not tell nothing about share them, I wanted they to my mod, I can try speak now with them to share them and I wait that other better models can end my work adding better textures or other things.

 

The models that I made are free to the community and if somebody ask to me, I can give him the max files, it is some that not too modelers make.

 

From Alliance mod I made these full models.

 

Combat Speeder

MAF

HMP

 

Next there are these conversions.

 

UTAT from Doofi

HAG (it is a AAT edited)

HailFire

 

From Evilljedi models taken Spaceaddon and SAU animations.

 

Republic Star Destroyer

Nebula Star Destroyer

BulkWark

MC104

SSD

SSD Venganza

Eclipse II

Lucrehulk (there are three different models, one is not from Evilljedi)

CC9600

Corellian Light Frigate

Corellian Medium Frigate

Corellian Patrol Ship

Eidolon Cruiser

Ferret Scout Craft

Procurator Cruiser

Implacable (I recomend edit it on 3Dmax again and choose a correct size)

Mandator Cruiser

Mediator Cruiser

MC80C

Praetor Star Destroyer

Sovereign SSD

CR20

Techno Union Destroyer

 

Next I made the conversions from Xwing Alliance original and some mod XWA models.

 

Rand Ecliptic and Naboo Royal Cruiser from DTM

Valiant from Vince

Action IV transport

Assault Transport

Escort Transport

Escort Shuttle

Stormtransport

Star Galeon

Bulk Cruiser

Bulk Freighter

Cargo Ferry

Space Colony 1

Space Colony 2

Space Colony 3

Cargo Facility 1

Cargo Facility 2

Sensor Array

Communications station

Deliryn Plattform

XQ1

XQ2

XQ3

XQ4

XQ5

XQ6

Process Plant

Industrial Complex

Repair Plattform

Azammeen Repair Plattform

Shipyard

Rebel Plattform

Search Center

Search Ship

TIE Interceptor Warhead

TIE Booster

TIE BIGGUN

TIE Bizarro

Xyitiar transport

Mobquet Transport

Mod Strike Cruiser (Interdictor)

Piggyback Fighter

Planetary Fighter

RazorFighter

IRD Fighter

Modular Conveyor

Factory

Ion Battery Plattform

Turbolaser Plattform

Gun Plattform

Freighter BOX

Freighter Conb

Freighter Cong

Hangar Container

Ferry Boat Linner

Passenger Liner

 

Next I did changes on Scimitar bomber and T1B.

 

And I can forget probably one model that I have created or edited with 3Dmax but I have a small memory to remember all this.

[Kalo]

Just too bad those "Models" you "Made" are from SWBF2 Mod tools eh? .

[Nomada_firefox]

Only these models are on Battlefront 2 but I can tell you that all CIS models probably that we can see on FOC or EAW mods are on BF2. Is it a problem?

[Dr. Nick]

We're not talking concepts here. We're talking about the actual mesh and textures, which happen to be from SW: BF 2. If I need to import and render each of those models to prove it, then I shall. Hopefully, you will simply stop the use of those models and we can all have it easy.

[jedi_consulor]

I never have told that I do not go to share the new models on community, I only tell the things that the creators told to me. When I asked them, I did not tell nothing about share them, I wanted they to my mod, I can try speak now with them to share them and I wait that other better models can end my work adding better textures or other things.

 

The models that I made are free to the community and if somebody ask to me, I can give him the max files, it is some that not too modelers make.

 

Mate, people like Evile Jedi would never say this model or (That) one is for use only by you in your mod. Plus I very much doubt the XWA Mod team would say anything like that either. (I actually know this because my mod team has been in touch with that mod team for use of some new Star destroyer models we need for another mod)

 

They stated "if there are any other models you would like just let me know" this does not imply restrictions to me at all.

 

Evile Jedi would not imply restrictions either, as the models was released to the community for use in our mods.

 

hmm the textures you speak of in any of these models are probably not made by your own hand. Either they are Warlords textures or ones made by XWA for those models from their mod you have used. In the case of the Implacable SD skin you uved the Eclipse SSD skin over it - or some one for you. That is not your skin either. Far as I am concerned thats a Warlords skin. Its owned by Evile Jedi and his team.

 

JC

[Nomada_firefox]

We're not talking concepts here. We're talking about the actual mesh and textures, which happen to be from SW: BF 2. If I need to import and render each of those models to prove it, then I shall. Hopefully, you will simply stop the use of those models and we can all have it easy.

They are not from BF2.

[Nomada_firefox]

as the models was released to the community for use in our mods.

Yes but not all the models, only some that you can find on his web site.

 

And I want to clarify something, I have not restricted anything to anybody. I always told that you are free from use my work. I only wanted explain correctly the origin of the models, now if you take them and there are some problem, it will be not my problem, only yours, I´m not responsible for your acts.

 

And Jedi_Consulor, DrNick, and others, let us clarify a thing, I´m a modmaker independent that I have done these mod and I do not need nothing from nobody to take out the mod to the light and I made on a first moment only for Spanish people.

 

I only have writed here in gratefulness to the community EAW and FOC for their help. By it I wait that all people if they want, they can use my work. I think that they are the creators, not me, it is a mod from the community and for the community.

 

If you, DrNick or other want block me here, go ahead I do not know that you hope to get because  you can not stop my work and probably you will be making you more damage to your work and the work from others.

 

And sorry by my english.

[jedi_consulor]

Yes but not all the models, only some that you can find on his web site.

 

Rubbish.

 

If any of those models were not available to use they would not be on the web site in the first place. "The models" - are in packs you download.

 

Get Evile JEdi here to prove what your saying. Because I don't accept a word a you are telling me.

 

I want clarification on the so called models you claim need Evile JEdis "special" permission for.

 

If models have been publically posted on a web site for download for the EAW community to use they are for us all to use, NOT select individuals as you have claimed. Otherwise you would keep such particular models hidden and private from public download in the first place.

 

And Jedi_Consulor, DrNick, and others, let us clarify a thing, I´m a modmaker independent that I have done these mod and I do not need nothing from nobody to take out the mod to the light and I made on a first moment only for Spanish people.

 

OK..Thats a lie.. You have used several models from other mods ? - you could not of made your mod with out their help. So I would say you do need things because you have models from XWA and other people..? your answer to this is YES I have used models from other mods because I did not have them in the first place

 

If you, DrNick or other want block me here, go ahead I do not know that you hope to get because  you can not stop my work and probably you will be making you more damage to your work and the work from others.

 

Hardly. It will take more than you to damage my work mate. Who on earth do you think you are to threaten people like Dr Nick - ?? Or any of us..

 

So long as you make mods that contain illegal models in it you will get burned mate. The AT-PT, T1-B etc I have found several of Z3r0x's models in your mod that was used in your previous mods. I do not see proper permission posted in any form saying Z3r0x gave permission for them to be used.

 

Up until recently and probably even now, your mod contained the AT-RT - which Fosh had specified it was not to be used. OK, this has now changed, however you have still not updated your credits file to state who made the model. (Hm actually you do not have a credits file) I can't find one.

 

Until recently you used Ported models from Forces of Corruption to an EAW based mod. You finally saw reason and started work on a Proper FOC mod. Even though you continue to state you think porting is legal.

 

You break the rules in the community at every turn. It is yourself hurting the community and your own reputation. Don't believe me ? - just ask around here how many people actually like you or what you are doing.

 

I will now set off and contact PG and Lucas Arts for more information in respect to your activitys. I tried to be nice and ask you to behave properly, now I will go to other extemes to make you act as a responsible member.

 

Its no wonder you have never submitted a mod to EAW Files ? - You know it would have got slammed.

 

JMO

[Daft_vader_pff]

Look firefox, i suggust you leave

 

EvilleJedi released his warlords models for the public to use, he said anyone can use them, so i don't know what the Hell you are up to in saying that they are yours for to EXCLUSIVLY use. THIS IS A LOAD OF BALLSHIT.

 

PORTING is illegal. I don't know who told you otherwise but it is and i am not going to let you undermine the community because of your Stupidity. So LEAVE and never Return.

 

DV

[Nomada_firefox]

EvilleJedi released his warlords models for the public to use, he said anyone can use them, so i don't know what the Hell you are up to in saying that they are yours for to EXCLUSIVLY use. THIS IS A LOAD OF BALLSHIT.

WHERE HAVE I WRITTEN IT?

 

YOU ARE CHANGING THE HISTORY. I NEVER TOLD IT FROM EVILLJEDI.

 

I ONLY TOLD IT FROM VINCE AND DTM. AND DOOFI DID NOT TELL NOTHING ABOUT SHAREWARE THE MODEL BUT I HAVE PUT HIS EMAIL CONTACT. AS THE OTHERS.

 

PLEASE DAFT_VADER, YOU SHOULD CHANGE YOUR WORDS. I HAVE NOT INSULTED TO NOBODY.

[jedi_consulor]

Written complaint sent to PR at Lucas Arts about your activities. Have a nice day

[plokoon9619]

K what is going on here.

[Ghostly_Substance]

<.< Fighting? Geez relax guys give credits to the original owner and stay quiet with fights.

[Nomada_firefox]

Jedi_Consulor and Daft Vader are accussing me without more things than their words of make ilegal works. And Daft_Vader have told me "Stupid".