Re: Violence in the Media has it caused the rise in Violence on the streets?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

answer my question what is your opinion in this matter.

 

the Media means Video Games, Anime, Newspapers, News Broadcasts, Manga books, Films, Everything which is seen by many.

 

You may wish to bring in other factors, Eg Parental Guidance ratings, Parental Permissions, Viewer Ratio's, Buyers wishes Etc. You may do so.

 

this is about your Opinions but Flaming, Ranting, or anything which is preposterous will be dealt with.

 

My Opinion is that yes i agree certain games have lead to a glamourisation of Violence, and what gang life is like. these games should not be played by anyone younger than 15 at a Minimum. However, i do not think that it is the responsibility of the Governments of this world to force producers not to create these games. I believe it is the responsibility of Parents to make sure children are not viewing Gang or Extreme Violence.

 

I also do not think that it is solely a problem with Video Games, i think that it is with the Selection of News items for Example, the Recent mass reporting of the Missing girl from Portugal; this has Glamourised that type of crime considering it is Weeks after the fact and the Child hasn't been found. This has shown that it is possible to Get away with this type of crime and i can forsee that there is going to be a rise in this type of crime.

 

That is all i'm going to Say on the matter maybe someone else would like to continue this discussion.

[Guest]

I think that all of the violence in the media is a reflection of the violence already in the world.

 

Think back about back to the 30's. The media was really mild. Movies had a specific code they had to follow, The good guys always had to win, no bad words, and even scenes that had a lot of kissing were taboo. The people at that time weren't much different you could get arrested for wearing a swimsuit that showed to much leg, men had to cover their chests when swimming. Prostitution was a disgraceful thing back then, only practiced in secret and considered scandalous when brought to light. Nowadays you hear about that almost every day. And the media refelcts that. Signs of the times...

[Mikan Cyclone]

Well, I kinda agree with what you said, GAT.  There are certain games (GTA, Bully, ETC) that shouldn't be played by kids.  But the thing is, is that video games have NEVER ONCE (to my knowledge) caused ANY type of violence in the world at all.  It's a matter of common sense.  Sure, killers have used the games to practice shooting stuff or whatever (Columbine apparantly, highway snipers), but the games weren't the cause.

 

Beowulf, you hit the mark dead on.  Thanks.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

I believe a Game called Manhunt was blamed for a 10 year old Boy Bludgeoning another child to death for Money.

[MSEagle2]

it really depends on some...variables....

 

if a 10 year old kid plays GTA....well yea there gonna get violent...there in the age where the brain is developing and the more you do certain things the more(and more easily) they become to do sub consciously.  everything causes violence...including how your parents act, what you are used to living in, everything.  So you cant just blame one thing, its everybody and everything.

[Ghostly_Substance]

Only way your going to become violent is if you let your kids stay that way once they mess around. They're not going to just get out of bed and hi-jack a bus/plane/car/taxi. Oh yes I played Grand Theft Auto so i'm just going to go outside and steal a car because its cool. From what I noticed is that kids start to become violent if they hang around their friends. Ghettos anybody? If you don't catch my drift I was there and well its a decent area (in my city) but theres such a unnecessary amount of behavior that you can use video game examples with it becoming almost real.

 

You have to add in personal experience + parental guidance + your kids friends + neighbors + life style in society + your kids thoughts + anything other I missed = What your kid does/think/interacts.

 

Since theres a good heavy storm I gotta cut this post in half and have to clarify later <.<

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

Too true Ghostly.

I see 13 Year old girls out at 1 o'clock in the morning some nights and to top it off they were drinking Vodka! I have to ask where are these kids parents??

 

I a Parent is willing to let their 13 year old daughter go out and do this then its only reasonable to assume that if they have a son they are letting the Son do things which can be seen as Violent in nature!

 

(sorry have to go to work soon will cut this short.)

[Controller]

yes but were the parents letting them out, maybe they sneaked out. its hard to blame the parents when they might not be resposibe, a 13 year old who can go on the internet could download a game like GTA, with out his parents knowing

[Mikan Cyclone]

Not to mention other..."unmentionables."  Like Ghostly said, violence is not caused by one factor.  My cousin, *not named*, was about 8 when he started playing GTA.  He also came from a kinda "bad (and I use this term loosely)" family  Not violent at all.Its many ohter factors.

[Ghostly_Substance]

(Do note i'm only giving out ideas in the first paragraph but more serious on the second, also i'm using what I learned for my ISU School project in here)

 

Video Game Raising

From a young age like 2 or 3 let your kids play those corny kid games where they have to use their brain and have fun. Do it and be around them and give them between 1-3 hours of game time. If they want to later game bring them out on fun kid trips until they're old enough to own the latest kid consoles that everybody has (or use your ancient Wii or whatever). Be near them and tell them how it goes in society and what society thinks its right and wrong. However even some wrongs can be right but thats a little tricky to say because each nation allows different things (i.e think uncensored NA vs Eu vs Asia). Well if you also add other factors to your kids gaming such as comics or whatever you could suppress their violent behavior (which is debated to between Nature vs nurture).

 

If your a "good" parent you will help your kid out until he/she is about 15-17 (until High School). You will slowly cut the rope that ties you together however still trying to assist them. Ya and this is where the fun and games really are evident because parents start blaming that their child hasn't turned out the way they have and if they were a bad parent then well they'll just blame beer, drugs, their friends, games, and media. If your the kind of parent who could not spend time with their kid (theres 2 parents) then there is something wrong. At least one parent has to be the role model for the kid who is between 0-15, you have 15 years to teach your kid and raise them properly. Work shouldn't really bother you for 15 long years since work habits change with the times. You could have done the game time idea of when you come home you let your kid game or if another part of family taught your kid such as an uncle, grandparent or whoever. The ideas and the kids mindset might change however not to a violent one until with friends.

 

Media in general:

Oh yes kids are just going to go to a movie, watch Saw 3 and then grab their own saw and kill someone. If they were insane, improperly taught or peer pressure then that is when it will happen. I find that friends tend to corrupt a person's mind then any media because when your at school everybody tries to fit in. If you want to fit in with the "best" or "worst" crowd you have to make sacrifices even if it becomes personal. Go watch Dragonball Z, I see many people play video games about it but there has not been a case (That  I heard of) where someone killed another person. Well if your a crazy kid and watch Pokemon there is a few that will think they are a Pokemon and fly off the balcony (In Turkey). Lets try Passive Aggressiveness (Killing someone without letting them know and/or falsifying your emotions to that person) where you kill the person by writing their name down in a book and they die. In China kids have bought the merchandised versions of the Death Note, brought them around and wrote their enemies and teachers names in it. Parents and teachers saw this later and became paranoid with the end result of completely banning the book and any merchandise on the store shelves. Guess what China also taught their public to snitch if they ever saw a Death Note merchandise.

 

Is it really the kids fault or is it the parents? I gave you beginner tips of how you could raise your kids and what could happen and what has happened.

[Droid803]

I'll try to argue my point reasonably without rambling. I hope I can at least do that.

 

In short, I agree with Beowulf. Society does not reflect the media, the media reflects society. After all, who makes the media? Though the media has some effect on how people register things in the environment around them, it generally only affects those who are "weak minded", without enough self-control of their own to know what is right and what is wrong. Not all young children fall into that category, in fact, there are many children with a solid grip on reality and will know better than to mindlessly follow images on the media. Of course, it is up to the parents to assume the role of assessing if their child has understands, in fact, violence in the media can be used to prevent violence if children are educated correctly. Tell them of the consequences, show them bloody scenes after fights and such and use fear to prevent such actions. Seeing someone getting mauled by a baseball bat shouldn't in any way encourage you to do the same, it should make you never want to do that, and never want to see it happen. The only people that would actually follow this example are either disturbed or have some emotional issues and should get help ASAP. Again, it is up to the parents and those around the person to diagnose this and treat it. Don't use the media as a scapegoat for parental incompetence.

 

There is really no problem of violence in the media, it is just a failure on the parents part to raise children properly, and people using the media is a scapegoat. Its just another example humanity's natural laziness of "its easier to change someone else than to change yourself". There's also the ego thing: "there's nothing ever wrong with the way I do things, it has to be ". Such is the failure of the human race, the universe would be better without them...anyone saying otherwise is falling to their own faults of thinking that the human race is all important... Anyhow, that went a bit off-topic didn't it...

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

Hell Yeah droid thats my arguement!

[Mikan Cyclone]

The human race isn't important.  That's why my race will annihilate them.  A few of you from these forums might be spared though....

 

I pretty much agree with D803.  His argument seems to be very strong.  Now all we need is Jack Thompson to register and try to refute us =P

 

By the way, about your example, I find the curb stomp and chainsaw scenes in Gears of War to be beautiful works of art.  Do I have these issues you speak of? =P

[Droid803]

Well...do you want to umm...try it yourself? lol.

[Mikan Cyclone]

If Given a chainsaw gun and massive leg muscles and a downed enemy soldier, than yes.  I would like that.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

Back on topic please. Discuss the topic at hand some if someone has an arguement Sensible Arguement. Against this view please post it.