Venator is out... Officially

[Nevets]

 

...Or, just boycott the expansion.

 

To bad that goes the way of online petitions usually.

 

Just can't believe they see how excited a community gets over one ship so they save it for an expansion.

[Naja]

What's wrong with online petitions? At least some sort of message is being sent out. If at least half of those who sign do indeed not buy the expansion en masse, then the financial dent will be noticeable.

[WhiteSkull]

want a star wars game, not a game of made up ships, while actual star wars ships aren't in the game.

 

I had a good laugh at that one since every single ship in starwars is madeup and there all fake.

 

And i still enjoy how some people to think that there VIEW of what starwars is or should be is the only right view and if the creators of thw world want to do something else are wrong. lol

[RC-06116]

 

I had a good laugh at that one since every single ship in starwars is madeup and there all fake.

 

So, would you mind if EaW was released with log rafts instead of ships? It is a Star Wars game, not an EU fest.

 

/boycott_expansion

[DarthMaulUK]

 

...Or, just boycott the expansion.

 

Firstly, if you do that, that wont only hurt Lucasarts but it would probably give a bigger blow to Petroglyph, being the developer who would jump at the chance of an expansion to boost funds and increase development of their own.

 

Also, if you do feel strongly about the removal of the Venator, one of our forum guys has set up a poll and I will pass on the results to Lucasarts.

 

DMUK

[sanderke]

Personally I wouldn't boycot the expansion over one ship.

Mostly because it would hurt petroglyph more then LA.

 

Furthermore, I think Whiteskull is right, everything was made up once so why wouldn't you add some more to it now?

Just aslong as those ships fit in the existing universe I have no trouble with it at all.

 

That said the venator model is very cool and if we get a mod that switches the venator model with the acclamator model while still allowing me to play MP vs people with unmodded games then I'd be one of the first to download it.

[Foshjedi2004]

Admin, and 2 moderators Mind you I am 18 now...

[Naja]

The boycott wouldn't be over the removal of the Venator in Empire at War. It would concern, rather, the low level of marketing amorality responsible for taunting the community with the prospect of a ship that they're obviously gah-gah over, only to yank it back at the last second, and reserve it for an expansion soley to boost sales for that expansion. It's a very cheap blow to the fans.

 

Secondly, I feel that believing that any arbitrary removal or sullying of a well-established Star Wars ship is alright because "they're all ficticious anyway" is just...lazy and apologist thinking. If a game involving the world of Tolkein had Hobbits flying jetfighters against Orc hordes flying MiGs, odds are something wouldn't feel quite right. There is verymuch an importance to remaining consistent with an established story's canon, or scope of canon, because it's often an indicator to how much a developer really cares about the world in which he's creating a game. The fact that the Venator was axed, but a garbage vessel creation like the Broadside remains is testament to the fact that making a quality Star Wars game is a lower priority than having a direct equivalent of the Rebel missile boat for the sake of some cookie-cutter concept of "balance."

[Foshjedi2004]

The Marauder Corvette is NOT a missile Boat. It is a small cheap gunboat. The little brother of the Corellian Gunstip and Corvette.

[Zer_Teron]

The Marauder Corvette is NOT a missile Boat

 

Who said it was? And it actually is no relation to the Corvette and Gunship

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

ok so the boycott is a bad idea! as it hurts more than jusy LA but there has to be more that we can do to get the game back to the way that everyone loved it 2 months ago before they started to S*c*r*e*w things around. but anyway i may sign this petition to get the venator back in the game but technically the game is an OT era game it spans the distance of between ANH and ROTS with out this we would be in ultimate darkness what you have to realise is that your actions in the game would change the production of anything from the TIE Interceptor to the SSD so they couldn't add them one becasue they dont fit into the time frame given, and second because they may not be developed becasue the Empire has lost before the creation of the DS or the REbels have been crushed before ACkbar has a chance create the B-Wing! so please can people stop complaining about not following the OT and about it having new or 'old' tech from the CW as this is after them it means that he replacement tech hasn had a chance to be produced therefore it cant be in the game!

 

 

sorry need a rant but the Boycott wouldnt work anyway as we couldn't get enough people to join it. but i say and invasion of the LA building to poke the PR and 'game wreckers' departments might! Who's With ME! Lol

[Stellar_Magic]

The Maraudar is in game as a "Missile Cruiser" Which is kind of strange.

 

Of course they make the one real missile ship a dedicated combat vessel without the missiles. It's called the Victory I guys! (Actually from the screenshots it looks like the Victory I isn't in game, only the Victory II)

[Cain]

And btw - nobody is boycoting nothing. I think you guys had too many bad experiences in the past.

 

CHILL - it will be ok in the end. just wait to see the demo.

[Nevets]

 

I had a good laugh at that one since every single ship in starwars is madeup and there all fake.

 

And i still enjoy how some people to think that there VIEW of what starwars is or should be is the only right view and if the creators of thw world want to do something else are wrong. lol

 

I want a Star Wars game, meaning ships from the movies or from well known EU ships. If you are new to the subject there are different levels of canon or things held true to star wars fans.

 

over the past 25 some years a lot of ships have been made up in star wars EU, this is true. But there are so many ships available to make there is absolutlely no need to create new ships anymore.

 

Yup so I guess I am an idiot for wanting a ship from the star wars movies (the reason I am buying the game) over something the developers made up.

 

Also with the release date being pushed back they are a little bit behind scehdule. So when they decided to axe the Venator at some point they would have had to take time out to do this. It might have been simply hightlight delete, or something more complicated. Either way they needed to take time out of working on the game to take something out they already spent some time making. This time spent in this process could be a reason (while not directly) why it was pushed back.

[Star Wars Man]

And btw - nobody is boycotting nothing. I think you guys had too many bad experiences in the past.

 

CHILL - it will be OK in the end. just wait to see the demo.

 

I agree with you...wait until the demo, then start complaining...anyways, the Venator will probably be modded back in; so long as Lucasarts allows it...

[Teradyn_pff]

The boycott wouldn't be over the removal of the Venator in Empire at War. It would concern, rather, the low level of marketing amorality responsible for taunting the community with the prospect of a ship that they're obviously gah-gah over, only to yank it back at the last second, and reserve it for an expansion soley to boost sales for that expansion. It's a very cheap blow to the fans.

 

Secondly, I feel that believing that any arbitrary removal or sullying of a well-established Star Wars ship is alright because "they're all ficticious anyway" is just...lazy and apologist thinking. If a game involving the world of Tolkein had Hobbits flying jetfighters against Orc hordes flying MiGs, odds are something wouldn't feel quite right. There is verymuch an importance to remaining consistent with an established story's canon, or scope of canon, because it's often an indicator to how much a developer really cares about the world in which he's creating a game. The fact that the Venator was axed, but a garbage vessel creation like the Broadside remains is testament to the fact that making a quality Star Wars game is a lower priority than having a direct equivalent of the Rebel missile boat for the sake of some cookie-cutter concept of "balance."

 

I think that anyone who skimmed over this post because it is more than 2 sentences should stop and read through it. I couldn't have said it better myself and it is a good description of most peoples' true objections to alot of the changes that have been happening. When changes are made to the story, universe, feel, etc with the sole intent of boosting sales, selling more tickets, etc. the universe that was created initially suffers. Like I said, read over Naja's post again as I can't really expound upon it better.

[Star Wars Man]

I agree with both of you, Naja and Teradyn. Both of you also make valid points...but like I said in another post, what would happen if Petroglyph were to develop, design and publish EAW? I believe that everything would be better because LEC is just about turning into EA: Low End Graphics Requirments that impact the game, just so they can hit more people with the game. Not allowing modders to mod the game: Allows them to do what they want with the game, leaving it to corparate executives instead of people like us. Thirdly, they pull the plug on some classic Star Wars ships, and creating ships such as the Broadside, and the Acclimator (Episode 2, Not 3)

 

I know I'm proabably complaining too much, but I'm just trying to say that LEC is beginning to turn into EA.

[Foshjedi2004]

The Marauder Corvette is NOT a missile Boat

 

Who said it was? And it actually is no relation to the Corvette and Gunship

 

They are all made by the Corellian Engineering Company. And the Marauder Corvette in EU Canon was never equipped with anything other than Turbolasers and Blaster Cannons

[Teradyn_pff]

I agree with both of you, Naja and Teradyn. Both of you also make valid points...but like I said in another post, what would happen if Petroglyph were to develop, design and publish EAW? I believe that everything would be better because LEC is just about turning into EA: Low End Graphics Requirments that impact the game, just so they can hit more people with the game. Not allowing modders to mod the game: Allows them to do what they want with the game, leaving it to corparate executives instead of people like us. Thirdly, they pull the plug on some classic Star Wars ships, and creating ships such as the Broadside, and the Acclimator (Episode 2, Not 3)

 

I know I'm proabably complaining too much, but I'm just trying to say that LEC is beginning to turn into EA.

 

Well, as I understand it, the Broadside was a Petroglyph creation, pure and simple. But, we do know that they are good RTS creators, but not necissarily Star Wars experts (remember the shield generator outside of the shield "in Star Wars fashon"?). This is where LEC should step in and kill the Broadside and let Petroglyph know about an established ship that fills that role. I blame LEC for just about everything so far. Petroglyph may be at fault for a few things, but ultimately, the way that LEC maintains publisher AND license hold control, Petroglyph will be lucky if anything they want to do with this game is left unmauled.

[Ghostly_Substance]

Well the Executor SSD, Venators, Tie Interceptor, B-Wings are the most requested ships and the Dark-Troopers are the most requested troopers.

 

Well theres bound to be someone that wants to take on a Dev from Petroglyph so if someone can beat the devs at their own game we could win one of those units? or one of the 50 models they rendered ? Maybe even win a Venator which might even still be in the game but Grey Skinned and updated weaponry ? Keep in mind this is an idea and just trying to lighten up the place.

 

edit: you know how you can get certain things by winning contests and such? Well same idea so not everybody will have it but when they try to do have it they will they could have fun with EAW online Not trying to tell Petro what to do but as I said to lighten up this place.

 

What does this have to do with the Ven? Try and win it online if its not already in the game or if it is then win a updated Venator just for multiplayer and single player skirmishs

[Dorkthehunter]

Why want the Venerator if you can have the bigger, better ISD???

[Megajames2]

because it looks cool, it is cool it.......

[Little.B]

All I have to say: OMG! Guys simply keep calm. They had the Venator in, they dicited that it does not fit to the needs of the game and so they decited to take it out again.

 

This game is about being a good game and not about having every unit in someone wants to have in. Such complexity will destroy balance and this is something I don't want to see happen because my personal (and I hope others agree) focus is on the multiplayer mode which has to be balanced to be playable. I have seen the downfall of "Earth 2160" which is already dead, but only a few months old. The community quited because it is a very, very, very complex game, which is fun in singleplayer, but simply unplayable in multiplayer.

 

I'm very glad that this game seems to be more about being balanced then including the whole universe.

[Nevets]

All I have to say: OMG! Guys simply keep calm. They had the Venator in, they dicited that it does not fit to the needs of the game and so they decited to take it out again.

 

This game is about being a good game and not about having every unit in someone wants to have in. Such complexity will destroy balance and this is something I don't want to see happen because my personal (and I hope others agree) focus is on the multiplayer mode which has to be balanced to be playable. I have seen the downfall of "Earth 2160" which is already dead, but only a few months old. The community quited because it is a very, very, very complex game, which is fun in singleplayer, but simply unplayable in multiplayer.

 

I'm very glad that this game seems to be more about being balanced then including the whole universe.

 

Case in point: Star wars galaxies failed becuase it didn't have enough complexity.

 

-Rebellion was very complex and people are still playing it.

It is probably what LEC will jump behind as well as the fanbois. But LEC is more about getting money then worrying about game balance.

[Avaris]

All I have to say: OMG! Guys simply keep calm. They had the Venator in, they dicited that it does not fit to the needs of the game and so they decited to take it out again.

 

What is the point in making a starwars game, if you complete change everything to have everything meet the "game's needs" ?

 

Either, accept that starwar doesn't making for good gaming, and dont make games. Or, accept that the starwars universe "as is" has plenty of content to meet any need.

 

But please, don't make it half starwars and half something else, so that it sells as many compies as command and conquer.

 

They told us to let the SSD/B-wings go because this game isn't in that timeline (The timeline that most fans wanted). But instead we would be getting the cool units from between the trilogies. They knew that the Venetor was the most popular and they used that to stop us from complaining about the SSD. Now, that too is gone? I've had about enough. And to say "oh, well it didn't fit" is rediculous. There is a unit in starwars for just about everything. You want missile ships, there are plenty. You don't need to make them up. They have managed to make a starwars game without including any favorite units from either trilogy. Impressive. Most impressive.

 

And to all you "One unit doesnt make a game" sayers: How many favorite units must be excludded before it is ruined? 5? 7?

 

This game is not for starwars fans. It is for somebody else. I'd love a LA marketing manager to tell me exactly who that somebody else is. So at least I could make sense of this all. The game doesn't seem designed for the fans. The information leak to the fans was horrbile. Dev Diary #2 1 month before release? Months to response to 10 simple questions? (Well, they never got answered but we were allowed to ask 5 new ones). Come on. Is flame ever justified?

 

I'm not going to make anymore posts.