Lucas(arts) inconsistency

[ElvisMiggell]

I've read it, and i like it.

[wormie]

By the way: you're saying that Yoda deliberately steered Anakin toward the Dark Side?

 

I'm no tsaying that it was deliberate... but maybe Yoda knew what needed to be done in order to bring balance to the force. He was the most powerful Jedi at the time, and with his ability to see into the future, maybe he knew that this must be done in order for Luke and Leia not to be corrupted by the Dark Side, so that their is only one Skywalker who is a Sith Lord instead of three.

[Guest Scathane]

Ahh, I see... Interesting concept. Then what of you make of Yoda's remark that the Dark Side clouds everything and his reluctance to train Luke when he came to Dagobah?

[Trejiuvanat]

That is one insteresting concept.

We have to remember that the future is always in motion. COuld have yoda seen a parallel where Anakin didn't turn to the dark side. But luke and Leia did? Could he have glimpsed luke's dark side phase? thinking about what yoda may or may not have seen is difficult particularly becuase of the millions of possible futures he may have seen. He could have seen Palpy dancing like twi'lek, and that would have an effect on Anakin's development in the Force(not likely though, but possible). Just as well as if palpy came suggesting him to become more powerful even if he has to bend rules... or break them.... Had he been dancing like Twi'lek, I doubt anakin would have obeyed.

The future is like a cloud, you don't see it materialize into something. As sosn as it becomes the present it is like river running. The past is solid, despite of intepretations of events. things happened and that can't be altered....

[Jahled]

The future is like a cloud, you don't see it materialize into something. As sosn as it becomes the present it is like river running. The past is solid, despite of intepretations of events. things happened and that can't be altered....

 

Jahled reflected on these wise words.

 

He placed his Katana in a river to see how many leaves it would avoid.

 

Indeed, he mused, as his blade became embedded in the carcas of a dead sheep; the mind of today was the creation of the mind of the past; the mind of the future will be created by the mind of the presant...

[Trejiuvanat]

Jahled keeps thinking, it has been a while since he used his brain for that purpose...

His mind was the result of the mind of the past, and he would now create a mind for the future.

he wanted to create a mind, then create a man, he had talked to god back in Haven and knew the trick. He would dream every single detail of him. But the core of it was a mind, a mind unlike his own....

One deep thought came to him at lightspeed and abruptly he suspended his creationist act.

He discovered one more truth. he wasn't the result of a mind of the past, the past was something he lived and knew he was the result of another man dreaming to create a man with a mind other than his.

Jahled stood up with a stupid smile. That was why I hated thinking.

[Jahled]

Indeed...Jahled it turned out was a rabbit...whose thoughts evaperated like bubbles....

 

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QgDmAgQU2KGrpb2mUCVxDxA4WHNfnFNY5sPJuwu*xEczlB*qcSNc*X6LfNEDirq*vjqDJwwCBGld5E!tO0JZiOUEeIlESpmDqivsnTC*8cw/bubbles.gif?dc=4675415705555131288

[Trejiuvanat]

Yep, that was teh alternative....

[Jahled]

Indeed...go...go...go...click with eternity:

 

 

http://www.rafaelrozendaal.com/clouds/

[Trejiuvanat]

The above link shows what truly is within Jahled's mind. For all that suggested there was a balckhole, you are wrong apparently there are only clouds.... and of course the bubbles...

[wormie]

That is one insteresting concept.

We have to remember that the future is always in motion. COuld have yoda seen a parallel where Anakin didn't turn to the dark side. But luke and Leia did? Could he have glimpsed luke's dark side phase? thinking about what yoda may or may not have seen is difficult particularly becuase of the millions of possible futures he may have seen. He could have seen Palpy dancing like twi'lek, and that would have an effect on Anakin's development in the Force(not likely though, but possible). Just as well as if palpy came suggesting him to become more powerful even if he has to bend rules... or break them.... Had he been dancing like Twi'lek, I doubt anakin would have obeyed.

The future is like a cloud, you don't see it materialize into something. As sosn as it becomes the present it is like river running. The past is solid, despite of intepretations of events. things happened and that can't be altered....

 

Maybe this was the future that was the most acceptable, the one that had Palpatine removed from his position as Emporer. Yoda might have glimpsed alternate futures and realized the steps to reach each one, and decided that this one was the ideal future.

[Guest Scathane]

The Rafael Rozendaal link is brilliant, Jahled. What's with you ALWAYS finding something appropriate? Do you surf another web than I do?

[Guest Scathane]

Nevertheless, it is suggested that kenobi was promoted in the jedi ranks as a result of finishing off Darth Maul.

[Trejiuvanat]

That was probably one factor to all of it.

[wormie]

Nevertheless, it is suggested that kenobi was promoted in the jedi ranks as a result of finishing off Darth Maul.

 

He was going to face the trials even before he had defeated Darth Maul, the council just wanted to wait until the Sith had been dealt with.

[Guest Scathane]

I agree, but killing the Sith dude just might have added a little?

[Trejiuvanat]

If I'd been the head of the council I wouldn't have let become a Jedi Knight, especially after killing a Sith.

If his master couldn't and he could, and he did witness the death of his master. I would have suspected the Kenobi did brush on the dark side of the Force, and therefore needed inner cleansing before being pormoted and taking the responsibility of an apprentice.

[wormie]

I always wondered why Kenobi killed Darth Maul when Qui-Gon couldn't, I just assumed that he was the better swordsman.

[Guest Scathane]

If I'd been the head of the council I wouldn't have let become a Jedi Knight, especially after killing a Sith.

If his master couldn't and he could, and he did witness the death of his master. I would have suspected the Kenobi did brush on the dark side of the Force, and therefore needed inner cleansing before being pormoted and taking the responsibility of an apprentice.

Sjeez, Trej! That's such a typical little-goody-two-shoeish Light Side dweeby attitude to take to Kenobi. Guys like Qui-Gon, Kenobi, anakin and Luke are always criticised by the folks such as Mace Windu and Yoda. You're afraid. Fear leads to the Dark Side. Anger leads to the Dark Side etcetera, etcetera. Meanwhile, Mace Windu initiated one of biggest saber orgies ever and Yoda "when 900 years old your, smug as I you will be not" the Jedimaster plunged an entire army into war.

 

If had it with Light Side Jedi! I was glad to hear that Qui-Gon may have been a Grey Jedi.

[Trejiuvanat]

To promote Kenobi was ot think for the present, and not consider teh future consquences that may have had a little brush with the dark side.

The dark side leaves stains in Jedi and they could become blindspots during trainign fo an apprentice.

Don't take me wrong, I admired Qui-Gon, much as I do luke, and while I have troubles iwht the young obi-wan with age he became the JEdi I admire most.

Yoda and Mace take those risks because they have no alternative. But they fight without a aggresive stance, they fight passionately, but with a passion for life.

It owuld have been better for Kenobi, to take time off, meditate on his master's death and his hatred for the Sith before taking a pupil.

[Guest Scathane]

Awww, come on! They fight with a passion for life?! So you mean that if you kill without fear and think of daisies and carebears whilst killing everything around you, then nothing's wrong?! Ahhh! So that's what Anakin should have thought of when he butchered the Tusken Raider camp. The he wouldn't be brushed by the Dark Side!

 

The Dark Side leaves stains in Jedi? The Dark Side could be considered moments of learning as well, instead of talking about stains... Why is it that the Light Side train of thought is larded with irreversability?

Edited April 5, 2003 by Scathane

[Trejiuvanat]

The Dark Side leaves staines, look at Luke after his little adventure on Byss.

FOr years after he was palying the super-Jedi Master rescuing everyone using his mighty powers, reagardless of the situation. The dark side is like an addictive drug, you use it and you keep using it, luke turned away from that. But every time he used the force as a tool isntead of a living guidance, he opened up a vector for the dark side.

[Guest Scathane]

What exactly do you mean, I am not familiar with Luke's adventure on Byss.

[Trejiuvanat]

On Byss Luke turned to the dark side, because he arrogantly thought he could use the dark side to sabotage the dark side form within.

Opening in that way to the dark will always leave a seed behind, a stain soemthign that will whisper constatnly thathe can always turn to the dark side.

In Specter of the Past he was tempted to use his mind-controlling trick on enemy pilots, the easy way of the dark side. During that battle he saw Kun and Palpy laughing at him. He refused to be tempted, and he did promise himself to cut his use of the dark side.

[Trejiuvanat]

On Byss Luke turned to the dark side, because he arrogantly thought he could use the dark side to sabotage the dark side form within.

Opening in that way to the dark will always leave a seed behind, a stain soemthign that will whisper constatnly thathe can always turn to the dark side.

In Specter of the Past he was tempted to use his mind-controlling trick on enemy pilots, the easy way of the dark side. During that battle he saw Kun and Palpy laughing at him. He refused to be tempted, and he did promise himself to stop using of the Force so often.