Yuuzhan Vong Theoretical Question

[DarthTofu]

what about the vronskners? Would they ever be 'shaped' do you think? I would consult my map of the Star Wars Universe in one of my NJO books, but I'm too lazy to do so. The shaped vronskners would be capable of killing a good number of Imperial troops in adition to giving Palpy and Vader a run for their money, especially if multiple vronskners were attacking, thus lopping off the head of the Empire... Assuming they manage to get one of the things to the Emperor or Vader....

[Defender_16]

I'm a very visual persion. I love picures. And maps... and pictures of maps.

http://web.ripnet.com/~jdprosper/Invasion_00.GIF

Highlited in red is the initial invasion corridor. (If somone can think of a better place to invade through I want to know.)

I've marked in orange a couple of places that are not likley to maintain their alliances with the Empire once the war starts getting serious.

I've also marked up Force user related areas in purple/violet. (Only 2 at this time.)

 

Dathomir, home of the Force Witches and a substantial Imperial Garrison/Fleet. It is likley that Palpatine could have retreived force users from the planet over the years for use in a growing Sith order. In doing so there is a chance of releasing Light side force users as well. (Who may go off and try to join Rebel elements. )

 

Myrkr is the home of both Vornskyrs and Ysalamir /Ysalamiri (Sp? *whatever*). Retreival of either is hard. Vornskyrs tend to be dangerous and Ysalamiri need a special frame to transport them if they are to be kept alive. Also not many people know about them. In the regular stories info about this anti-Jedi stuff was spread by the use of Thrawn and Karrde.

 

In the pro-Imp timeline Thrawn wouldn't need any intrest in them because the only force users are those sanctioned by the Emperor (Mostly).

 

To produce the Voxyn Ultime-Force-user-hunter creature, the Vong need access to huge numbers of Ysalamiri, large but not as huge numbers of Vornskyrs, and the trees Ysalamiri live on. With these they can create usable numbers of Voxyn within six months.

 

The most expedient means of doing this is to put an abandoned Worldship in orbit of Myrkr like is done in the novels and convert it into a shaping facility. (The worldship at Myrkr was some 75km in diameter, the largest to be brought into the galaxy.)

 

In our time line it should be possible to put the worldship in orbit long enough to harvest the necessary resources for the Voxyn project then flee into deep space. The harvesting would require several weeks though, maybe as many as three. This would put the worldship at risk of attack by Imperial fleet groups and Eclipse SSD's with their superlasers.

 

Since the system is considered a backwater it may be possible to block hyperspace lanes into the system with Dovin Basal Interdiction mines long enough for the harvesting to take place. A small fleet group would be needed to deal with any patrols that entered the area.

 

There's still the problem of the system being on the wrong side on a major Imperial response force trying to contain the invasion corridor.

[Defender_16]

*BUMP*

 

*DOUBLE POST*

 

*SPAM CANNON*

 

*More descussion needed*

 

How many people in the forums have taken the time to read the NJO books? Because I think that's the reason this hasn't become the largest thread in history.

[Mitth_raw_nuruodo]

I have read the NJO, but I don't currently have access to them as I'm at college and I didn't have room to move them all in with me.

[DarthTofu]

I've read a couple but not nearly all of them. I finished Star by Star and beyond that Behind Enemy Lines, but nothing more

[BadSamaritan]

Marauder Corvettes

VSD (All 1st and 2nd gen Victory Destroyers would be retired by this time, 'easy' to steal from scrapyards.)

 

No, I think the Empire would keep them around. For one thing, they were the largest capital ship that could enter the atmosphere (without crashing, durr). Also, many Moffs and high ranking Imperials preferred the Vic Star due to its cheaper maintanance and smaller crew. (Tarkins' flagship was a modified Victory-class.)

[Defender_16]

All 1st and 2nd gen Victory Destroyers. I'm making the assumption that there would be a third or fourth generation Victory Destroyer series.

 

The Chiss for instance use a variation of Victory destroyer after the NJO in the Swarm War books. (I'm beginning to trust these new books less and less.) Theirs doesn't have a command tower but instead adds that mass to the rest of the ship. Command and control centers are deep inside and well protected.

 

Bored one day I came up with a Refit Victory 3 class that could act as an assault Carrier much like the Ralroost.

[Mitth_raw_nuruodo]

That'd be cool. Do you have specs on it?

[Defender_16]

Specs? Sure let me just make them up... I mean retreive them. Hah heh... yeah...

 

Give me an hour and I can find that drawing somewhere.

 

EDIT: Woops! Forgot.

 

Standard Vic base hull for the most part. I extended the topside sections of the ship forward to make room for more fighter bays. There are 2 forward facing launch bays on the top side and the underside drop-bay has been expanded.

Shielding slightly better than the Victory 2 but not by much.

Equivilant weaponry.

4 Squadrons of smaller TIE craft and 1 mixed squadron of larger vehicles like Skipray blastboats and Assault Gunboats.

Hyperdrive -60

Carries less troops to make room for flight and maintinence personel.

 

 

Did I say anything about my Imperial Droid starfighter carrier in the last Vong thread? Double Imperial Escort Carrier hull back to back. 4 Forward launch bays and 2 recovery bays one on either side of the ship.

10 droid squadrons and 2 Manned "Co-ordinator" squadrons.

 

Of the Carrier's 12 squadrons each has 2 human pilots and 10 Droid Fighters. The human pilots assist the droid fighters in planning out the attacks, strategies and manuvers necessary to win. This relieves the Imperials of their need for a manpower advantage. The loss of pilots is hense greatly slowed.

 

The Assault Carrier Vic can also be equipped with droid fighters. Infact most Victory class ships can. The larger antennae on the Vic can be easily converted for use in droid control transmission.

[AdmiralToguroAni]

I was thinking--the Clone Emperor had a Galaxy Gun and Sun Crusher has always been at the Maw, right?

 

The Galaxy Gun could destroy the systems on the invasion corridor, or target the worldships themselves. While the missiles could probably be destroyed before hitting their mark, it would be hard to respond to one missile in time if the Vong had no idea that it was coming.

 

The Sun Crusher would work the same way. Its the size of a starfighter, I think. Slap a cloaking device on the thing and no one would notice it until a launches a missile into the sun and wipes out the Vong Fleet. Lets see the Dovin Basals deal with THAT black hole.

[Mitth_raw_nuruodo]

Sounds like one heck of a ship D16. Glad to have you and your ideas in Q-Branch.

 

@ATA: I don't think the Sun Crusher would neccesarily need a cloaking device. Anything that can survive a DSSL attack could most likely fly through a Vong fleet and make it out the other side. I also don't think the black hole would be a problem as all the Vong that were in system would've either fled or been destroyed by the star's supernova.

[AdmiralToguroAni]

Hm. This leads me to this theoretical scenario in which the Empire won on Endor and now 21 years later, the Vong attack.

 

Courscant: 1 DS2 w/shield. Eclipse SSDs and regular ISDIIIs and whatever other ships the Imps use are guarding the planet. They aren't there for the DS2 though, they're ALL there to protect the Galaxy Guns. Two should work. A Sun Crusher sneaks into a system and starts sending the worldships' locations to Coruscant, which fires the Galaxy Guns. SC blows up the sun taking out whatever half of the planets is currently facing the sun. I'll assume Palpy has no qualms about blowing up his own planets to stop the Vong. The surviving Vong on the half of the planets that weren't hit by the sun's explosion board their worldship and start to take off, only to be smacked by the GG's missiles, which should be arriving just about now. That about wraps it up for the Vong.

 

How do you afford all this? Why, the OTHER Super weapon! World Devastators. Palpy has them suck up all the raw materials and either sends them off to be built into GGs and SCs (they can do all this in 21 years) or maybe he can actually build them right there within the WDs. Not sure. Either way, since the Clone emperor comes out and starts churning out WDs in Dark Empire, I figure he knew how to build all these Superweapons the whole time, he just didnt get around to it earlier because he was thrown down the shaft. If he didnt get shafted then I think we'd see lots of superweapons. You know how much he likes superweapons.

[DarthTofu]

Interesting hyptohosis... As Mithh said beofre, you wouldn't need a cloak necessarily, but it would help- what happens if the Vong Commander is cautious and chooses to leave when his shots fail to penetrate that craft? Not likely, but still... You just blew up a world for no good reason.

[Defender_16]

I was thinking--the Clone Emperor had a Galaxy Gun, and Sun Crusher has always been at the Maw, right?

 

The Galaxy Gun could destroy planets on the invasion corridor, or target the worldships themselves. While the missiles could probably be destroyed before hitting their mark, it would be hard to respond to one missile in time if the Vong had no idea that it was coming.

 

It's easier to target a planet which has a long, documented, and measurable orbit. A Worldship is mobile (the ones that entered the galaxy anyways) and capable of hyperspace. You could target one if you had a ship acting as a spotter equipped with a holocom system. (Provided that holonet is opperational. ) And you're right if they didn't know it was coming they'ed be toast.

 

With any kind of warning though there could be enough screening ships and Dovin Basal Mines put in the way that all the worldship would get is a suntan.

*Reads up on the galaxy gun*

Holy cow! Those missiles can fight their way to a target! Even so it wouldn't get through a closely stacked minefield.

 

EDIT: After the planet is destroyed by by a galaxy gun projectile, the Vong could still move in and use the debris of the planet to construct new Worldships and cruisers.

 

The Sun Crusher would work the same way. Its the size of a starfighter, I think. Slap a cloaking device on the thing and no one would notice it until a launches a missile into the sun and wipes out the Vong Fleet. Lets see the Dovin Basals deal with THAT black hole.

 

I agree with Mitth, not much point in putting a cloaking device on the sun crusher. That just makes it harder for the driver to see.

 

The sun takes a little bit to go nova from one of those torpedoes. Carida took atleast twenty minutes or more. Enough time to recall any starfighter forces and even some infantry in the system before widthdrawing. No point in staying to try and deal with a star death.

 

Hm. This leads me to this theoretical scenario in which the Empire won on Endor and now 21 years later, the Vong attack.

 

Courscant: 1 DS2 w/shield. Eclipse SSDs and regular ISDIIIs and whatever other ships the Imps use are guarding the planet. They aren't there for the DS2 though, they're ALL there to protect the Galaxy Guns. Two should work. A Sun Crusher sneaks into a system and starts sending the worldships' locations to Coruscant, which fires the Galaxy Guns. SC blows up the sun taking out whatever half of the planets is currently facing the sun. I'll assume Palpy has no qualms about blowing up his own planets to stop the Vong. The surviving Vong on the half of the planets that weren't hit by the sun's explosion board their worldship and start to take off, only to be smacked by the GG's missiles, which should be arriving just about now. That about wraps it up for the Vong.

 

There's an idea.

But I don't think the Emperor would risk putting any Galaxy guns in orbit of Coruscant. They tend to be a kind of a one per system weapon. And we already know what happens if they get crashed into by misteak. Coruscant has too much traffic.

A DS I can see. Put a DS shield on one of Coruscant's moons... Confusing orbits either way, the blasted planet has 2 moons!

Sure DS shield on the planet why not.

 

Does have the possibility of interfeering with the planet's complicated Double shields system but lets ignore that for now. You now have a super laser blocked by your capital planet and it's 2 moons. That's 3 approach corridors should they reach Coruscant.

 

Ok so you worked out the scout ship idea like I did. Sun Crusher is a good choice for that because there is not much the Vong can do to it short of trying to suck it into a singularity. You can still have 2 galaxy guns in different systems firing away but this will lead to the vong hiding their larger ships in deep space to avoid galaxy gun shots.

That is something you as the Empire do not want. You want to engage the vong fleets and wipe them out. If they hide, it's going to turn into a much larger, messier Rebellion where you have to hunt them down in deep space.

 

I reccomend using the Galaxy gun only on planets or in large scale fleet engagements where and when thing become too mixed up for the Vong to know what hit them.

 

How do you afford all this? Why, the OTHER Super weapon! World Devastators. Palpy has them suck up all the raw materials and either sends them off to be built into GGs and SCs (they can do all this in 21 years) or maybe he can actually build them right there within the WDs. Not sure. Either way, since the Clone emperor comes out and starts churning out WDs in Dark Empire, I figure he knew how to build all these Superweapons the whole time, he just didnt get around to it earlier because he was thrown down the shaft. If he didnt get shafted then I think we'd see lots of superweapons. You know how much he likes superweapons.

 

Woah, slow down. World Devastators (And even the galaxy gun for that matter) were developed because the empire was losing. With the DS2 arround, development of them isn't as high a priority as it would have been. Heck Leminsk may even get vacation time now.

 

The Devastators would still be used I think but more in the sense of a conventional mobile harvester. Resources and equipment that the onboard factories produced would be shipped out to other locations. They wouldn't be used on inhabited plantets, which all belong to the Empire (Or people who pay bribes to the Empire.)

These would be the last thing a commander would want to leave exposed to enemy forces. They're too valuable as mobile production facilities to put on the front lines. Mainly they'd just be used in asteroid belts.

 

Withought need to rush them they might enter service by 12 ABY instead of 10ABY. That's a good 13 years of steady manufacture until the Vong arrive. With all of the available refined materials that means the retirement of older ships (Like the Vic 1 and 2 like I said) and introduction of newer designs better able to fill their roles. And droid fighters, lots of droid fighters.

 

Woo... that was a bit longer than I planned. Any ideas to help the Vong against this people?

EDIT: holy... I need to start working full time on pro-rebel and vong tactics.

[DarthTex]

Not to throw a monkey wrench in the works , and there are a lot of "IF's" to get to this scenario ... but, should Palpy get his hands on the controls of Centerpoint Station, then he has the ultimate long range weapon.

 

-There is no "missile" (i.e. the galaxy gun) to travel to target, giving the target time to escape (assuming the target knew it was coming) or just move to different coordinates.

-No time delay before the system explodes (i.e. Sun Crusher).

-No chasing the Vong fleet around the galaxy with the DSII trying to destroy their fleet.

 

A nice long range weapon to wipe out scores of ships with a single blast. Should they disperse and converge on Centerpoint Station (assuming they could figure out what was going on), then all he has to do is turn on the system wide interdictor field and bring in the Imperial fleet or DSII or take them out with Centerpoint Station itself (I don't remember if it can do both the interdiction field and weapon simultaneously though?). Palpy would be like a little kid with a pocket full of quarters in an arcade; searching the galaxy for Vong ships and then blasting them away . He would probably have so much "fun", he might even die from laughter

[Mitth_raw_nuruodo]

(I don't remember if it can do both the interdiction field and weapon simultaneously though?)

 

It can. It was Anakin Solo that activated it though. This now raises the question of would Vader/Anakin Skywalker also have been capable of activating Centerpoint? If (yes Tex I said 'IF') Vader could activate Centerpoint then he could also activate all of the planetary repusors, which would provide an unlimited amount of power. Bye-bye Vong fleets, Worldships and systems all across the galaxy.

[Defender_16]

You're right, lots of if's.

 

The only person in the Expanded universe known to be able to control the systems of Centerpoint Station and the planetery repulsors (Reliably) was Anakin Solo.

Whom George Lucas killed off. (Good job on that one GL again. )

 

Sacorrian Triad did figure out how to control the station but after Anakin interfaced with the system it imprinted on him.

(Argh... now I'm going to have to read the Corellian Trilogy again. I didn't want to have to. )

 

Really, Centerpoint's involvement would depend on there being a Corellian crisis and Starbuster plot despite Imperial rule.

Thracken plans to restore the Imperial system and seize total power — no matter what the cost.

 

That would be one heck of a long campaign for the Imperials. They'ed end up having to take a fleet into Corellia at sublight. When they finally get there the interdiction field is dropped long enough for the Sacorrian fleet to arrive. Then there's all the CC-9600 and other CEC ships built in the months waiting for the Imp fleet to arrive.

 

A big mess and the Corellian system would be turned into a mass grave even if they won.

 

It'd be more convienient plot wise if the Sacorrian Triad just kept their heads down and bided their time waiting for some sign of weekness from the Empire...

 

Like the Vong attacking the galaxy and rebel attacks wiping out the Holonet trancievers.

Edited January 25, 2006 by Defender_16

[DarthTofu]

wookiepedia? What's that? I only knew about wikipedia!

[Mitth_raw_nuruodo]

wookiepedia? What's that? I only knew about wikipedia!

 

It's the Star Wars Wiki.

[DarthTex]

Defender_16 wrote:

 

... Centerpoint's involvement would depend on there being a Corellian crisis and Starbuster plot ...

 

Not necessarily. When the Vong invasion begins, Thracken Solo could go to Palpy and say "Hey, I got the Centerpoint Station up and running. If I could become a Moff of the entire Corellian sector, I could let you personally wipe out the Vong invasion fleet. What do you say?" Thracken gets personal glory and such from Palpy, and Palpy takes the credit for stopping the Vong invasion. A win-win scenario for both.

 

Mitth_raw_nuruodo wrote:

 

... If (yes Tex I said 'IF') Vader could activate Centerpoint then ...

 

I don't see quite that way. I see Vader escorting Palpy to the control center on Centerpoint Station. Palpy "seats" himself in front of the control console, while stretching out with the Force. The control console responds and a control stick forms into his right hand. Palpy extends his left hand to Vader.

 

"Lord Vader, give me an Imperial credit"

 

As Palpy's left hand approaches the console, a "slot" forms in the control console. A slot perfectly sized for the Imperial credit. After the credit drops through the slot, the control console comes to life. There in front of Palpy he sees a Vong fleet floating in space near some star system. His right hand gently squeezes the control stick. Centerpoint Station comes to life and across the galaxy in some star system a blinding light appears. Chaos reigns within the Vong fleet as large numbers of ships have been destroyed. Palpy throws his head back.

 

"Muwhahahahahaha. Muwhahaha. Hahaha"

 

His hand once more reaches to Vader.

 

"Lord Vader, give me another Imperial credit"

 

...

 

[Mitth_raw_nuruodo]

*rolls around on floor holding sides* Stop Tex...must be able to breathe to sustain life.....

[DarthTofu]

lol, nice.

[Defender_16]

*Falls out of chair laughing* FOOCL!

 

Classic. Does it take one, or quarter credits?

 

Anyways, I don't think Thracken would so easily hand a secret like that over to the Emperor. He's more apt to try and bluff about how much power he has available to him. With an expanding Sith order he's going to see Palpatine as somone in the way of himself becoming more powerful.

 

He doesn't want to be subservient to somone else. He wants to be the King of the hill. If that hill is an independant Corellian sector, all the better. But it won't be his to rule if he tells Palpatine how things work.

 

For all Thracken knows and Emperors hand or sith would kill him after he's revealed his secrets.

[DarthTex]

Well then Thraken has a choice: A) sit around for who knows how long until the Empire falls or at least weakens (remember: we're saying the Rebels lost at Endor. Lost but not destroyed, so another opportunity may take awhile), or B) let Palpy know and get some power NOW.

 

Use or lose it

[Defender_16]

He has other means of gaining power. He's a very charismatic person and knows how to motivate people. Whose to say he won't become Diktat of Corellia on his own?

 

Or implicate the existing Diktat some how and have him removed from power thus endearing himself to the Emperor while secretly ploting against him. Hmm... yeah, that seems like something he'd do. lol

 

EDIT: Been looking throught the books again. He's very paranoid and his other attributes are about right that most Imperials would want him on their side. (Or want to be on his side.)

 

I think we need some more people to say what they think Thracken would do.