Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Ok, I was going through my SWCCG cards today (looking for characters for the RPG) and I noticed some things. First, what the bloody hell did they do with the rank insignia in the first movie? There doesn't seem to be any pattern to the ranks, and people with the same rank have different insignia! They are also quite different from the insignia in the last two movies. Also in the insignia topic, did anyone notice that in RoTJ ALL of the Imperial officers have the same rank! Even Piett and Jerjerrod are ranked as Commander (The only distinction between Commander and Lietenant-Commander is that LT has the rank insignia on his right rather than left side). There may be one or two sceens where this is different for Piett, but I didn't notice any. The uniforms in ANH are strange too. There are those with green (not the blue/green of the last two, but a mossy green), which belong to the fleet officers, then there are the black uniforms for the TIE Pilot officers, then there is the uniform of Colonel Wullf Yularen. It's white! So, does the Imperial Security Bureau use the white uniform also? Or perhaps we should just disregard the uniforms from the first movie all together? The only uniform that fits those from ESB and RoTJ is that of Grand Moff Tarkin. Any thoughts? Here is Colonel Wullf Yularen:http://galactic-voyage.com/images/Characters/Colonel%20Wullf%20Yularen.jpg History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas_Fett Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 The Technical Commentaries covers a lot of what you're looking for, IIRC. The rank insignia is odd, at best, for the Imperials, while the insignia for the Rebellion is downright neurotic. But maybe that link will help clear things up for you. Five of the Greatest Lines in the Star Wars Trilogy -"As you wish..."-"He's no good to me dead..."-"What if he doesn't survive? He's worth a lot to me."-"Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold"-"AaaaaAAaaaaaa!!" Fett's VetteThe Lyrics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Frankly I think that in the film they where more there for "decoration" than realisme. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted July 13, 2004 Author Share Posted July 13, 2004 I try to avoid the Technical Commentary. It may provide some interesting things, but all-in-all, it's just one person's view. A lot of the stuff on there is either off, or downright fictional (that is, not even close to the mark). I think that you may be right about the decorative part, at least for the first movie. There was no rhyme or reason to each rank insignia. The last two movies made sense though, at least for the Empire. You just gained more blue squares as you got promoted. Eventually you had to re-arrange them, but it makes sense. I still can't figure out the Rebel's rank system. What about the white uniform though? We've been lead to think the that uniform is restricted to the Grand Admirals. Perhaps it was more common than first believed? History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 He would have to try and find examples in the films. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkScipio Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 As far as I know the ISB uses black uniforms. Maybe the white uniforms are for high rank officers with out a specifc command. http://www.diewaldseite.dehttp://www.therainforestsite.com A small help for the rainforest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadSamaritan Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Maybe the white uniforms are for high rank officers with out a specifc command. He may be on to something here. And welcome to the site man! I once knew a great man. Nothing got to him, and he always smiled. May he forever rest in peace, knowing fully well that his freinds shall remember him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Add to that that ESB was supposed to be a dark film. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 There were suppose to be some ISB officers somewhere in ESB, but there were no officers in black. Also, there were TIE Pilot Officers in the first movie, as well as naval officers (Commander Praji, Commander of the Devestator, despite what the technical commentaries say) who wear black uniforms. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Maybe it depends on the flet they are affected to? Or Maybe they can choose the color. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 Aye, but that cahnges in RotJ. All of the TIE Pilots still have black uniforms, but no rank insignia. Everyone else has the blue/green uniforms. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Fighters and gunners wear black and the reste wear green and brown. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 I have yet to see a brown uniform in the movies. There are pleanty in the games though. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Didn't Ozzel wear one? http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 No, his was the winterfresh colour too. http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/admiralozzel/img/movie_bg.jpg There were some uniforms in the first movie that could pass off as brown. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 I have to watch ANH again. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 The uniforms there are really more green than brown, and there are now uniforms that look like those in the other two. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 I wonder why they made them brown in the games? http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted July 16, 2004 Author Share Posted July 16, 2004 They were probably looking for a way to distinguish between enemy difficulties. In Jedi Outcast, all of the high-ranking officers wore black uniforms, the moderate difficulty officers wore the brown, and the easy officers wore the winterfresh uniforms. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad78 Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Like with the jedi robes. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Palpycard.gifhttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/Mad78/Spamkinguserbarcopy.jpgCLICK HERE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!Click here is you like Trance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valliet Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Officers are only forbidden to wear white uniforms with epaulets. These are reserved for the Grand Admirals only. ISB officers do wear white uniforms. Examples:http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/zs/anh/dsofficer01.jpg http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/vidi7/whiteof1.jpg http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/cards/ccg/yularen.jpg Every site I have been on clearly states this fact. In reference to the other uniforms, I suggest you view the Technical Commentaries which are licensed by George Lucas and are in no way ficticious to the Star Wars Universe. "Uh...Crespin, I'd like to reconsider the terms of my surrender..." -The last heroic words of Admiral Apwar Trigit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_La_forge Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Welcome back Valliet!!!! Great post here. I've never noticed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Thrawn Posted August 2, 2004 Author Share Posted August 2, 2004 There is, however, something else to consider. Thrawn didn't actually wear epaulets. That uniform was created by the designers of TIE Fighter (the game). Other distinctions with ISB officers that distinguish them from Grand Admirals it hte black hat, the rank insignia, and I believe that they wear black pants, rather than white. History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up with it will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valliet Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Thrawn shall forever be a mystery. Alot of the things he did might be considered unethical (no matter how effective), and choosing not to wear epaulets might be one of these little oddities. You could say the other Grand Admirals wore them because the creators thought Thrawn in TIE Fighter looked better in them, but these characters were made almost five years before TIE Fighter was released and therefore could not have been inspired to wear them. Two uniforms have been specified to include epaulets which are those of IGA Demetrius Zaarin and Warlord Zsinj, who both wore 'the complete uniform of a Grand Admiral...' (both their complete descriptions included the epaulets). http://www.cswu.cz/characters/img/char/zaarin.jpgImposter Grand Admiral Zaarin The epaulets were also used on all the Grand Admirals in the comics (excluding Thrawn) so I assume Thrawn is the one with the 'different' uniform. P.S. I forgot to mention the ISB black pants and caps. Good call. "Uh...Crespin, I'd like to reconsider the terms of my surrender..." -The last heroic words of Admiral Apwar Trigit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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