ElvisMiggell Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Here's a bit of trivia: in the 'Lord of the Rings' dramatized BBC radio broadcast, Sir Ian Holm plays Frodo. It threw me off when I first heard his voice in the movies as Bilbo. Yeah, my dad got all excited when we went to see the film. Elvismiggell. Strike me down and i will become more powerful than you can ever imagine... Nu kyr'adyc, shi taab'echaaj'la Not gone, merely marching far away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 We'll finally get to see Smaug and the Lonely Mountain...Smaug!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADarkJedi44 Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 and a pile of treasure! Sweat saves blood-Erwin Rommel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_La_forge Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 hey! Anyone seen Troy? I didn't, but all my friends told, it's great, Even better the LOTR... As for me, I just love the Iliad, it's one of my favourites!!! And I'm afraid, that it can't be really adapted to screen. I would like to hear some comments, from those too, who have read Homer's Iliad, and also have seen the movie. Just to know, what you guys think.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 I saw it and I didn't like the movie. Sure the battle and the scenography are impressive, but the adaptation of the Iliad could have been a lot better. The turned a ten-year-war into a six-day war!!! It was a way too hollywoodesqe perversion of the original epos, like the "happy ending", Agamennon's Death, etc... I think the screenplay could have been better or that Troy could have been made into a duology with one part dealing up to Hector's death and the other dealing with the last year of the war. I also missed the appearance of Deities in the movies, when reading the Iliad you know that even Zeus has its doubts about the war and wants to save the Trojans... And the soundtrack, well it sound too much like LOTR.Acting was a mixed issue, Eric Bana, Sean Bean, and Orlando Bloom and Peter O'Toole did pretty well but I didn't like Brad Pitt's, nor the girl that played Helena. http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_La_forge Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 I saw it and I didn't like the movie. Sure the battle and the scenography are impressive, but the adaptation of the Iliad could have been a lot better. The turned a ten-year-war into a six-day war!!! It was a way too hollywoodesqe perversion of the original epos, like the "happy ending", Agamennon's Death, etc... I think the screenplay could have been better or that Troy could have been made into a duology with one part dealing up to Hector's death and the other dealing with the last year of the war. I also missed the appearance of Deities in the movies, when reading the Iliad you know that even Zeus has its doubts about the war and wants to save the Trojans... And the soundtrack, well it sound too much like LOTR.Acting was a mixed issue, Eric Bana, Sean Bean, and Orlando Bloom and Peter O'Toole did pretty well but I didn't like Brad Pitt's, nor the girl that played Helena. Yeah, I fear that the adaptation is too Hollywood-like, that's certainly not good for the Iliad. I'm supprised about your oppinion about Brad Pitt however, since I know him as a very talented actor. Of course, it could be that he just didn't felt this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 I didn't like the way his character was portrayed, too rebellious and bloodthirsty, and Brad Pitt's acting relied to much on those two facets and ultimately lacked any "strength". Achilles in the end was only an action hero with a half-invented love-story to back him up. Or it may just be that I never liked the character of Achilles... http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_La_forge Posted May 23, 2004 Share Posted May 23, 2004 Or it may just be that I never liked the character of Achilles... Me neither. (My favourites were Tydeides, Aias and of course Odysseus) But it seems to me, that Brad played his role well again, but his role was not well written...perhaps. Thanks for your reply anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 I always sympathized with Hector, which may explain my dislike for Achilles, I liked Ulysses (Odysseus), but I had a problem with some of his decisions (particularly involving the issue with Achilles's armor and Ajax). The one always hated more than Achilles was Agamemnon (and the movie only intensified the hatred), well in the end he got what he deserved when he returned to Micene. [Or in Troy as the movie altered it] http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADarkJedi44 Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 Hector is obviously meant to be the more sympathetic character. Achilles is their throwing a tantrum and dragging bodies by his chariot while Hector is being a much more honorable character. Sweat saves blood-Erwin Rommel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Didn't you guys think it odd to insert the Hector's sobriquet Tamer of Horses in the movie when this didn't come across at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_La_forge Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Didn't you guys think it odd to insert the Hector's sobriquet Tamer of Horses in the movie when this didn't come across at all? But he was called something like that in the book too...Although, I can't recall it exatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 But he was called something like that in the book too...Although, I can't recall it exatly. I know that... but they didn't do much with it in the movie, now did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 No they didn't, but again after seeing all of the symbolism relating Troy to horses, they could have at least have Priam or someone else explain that a bit somewhere in the movies, so that the Tamer of Horses epithet made sense. http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_La_forge Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Yes, thats logical. You're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 No they didn't, but again after seeing all of the symbolism relating Troy to horses, they could have at least have Priam or someone else explain that a bit somewhere in the movies, so that the Tamer of Horses epithet made sense. This is exactly what I mean! But then again, a lot of movies have that problem. By the way, don't you agree that they could just as well have named the movie Achilles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 That's true. It's all about Achilles, but the Iliad had Achilles in the centerstage as well, it's in the Odyssey that the tale of the wooden horse is told, it's the Aenid that the story of the escape of Aeneas is told and it's a few of small tragedies by Euripides, Aeschylus, and Sofocles that the final fate of Agamennon, Menelaos, Ajax Telamonid, Andromaca and Helena is told. None of which matches the movie... http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 None of which matches the movie... Somehow that doesn't surprise me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADarkJedi44 Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 If they had copied the Iliad exactly it would have been less satisfying for many more people. Since they didn't it's only the few who know the real story who are displeased. Sweat saves blood-Erwin Rommel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahled Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 If they had copied the Iliad exactly it would have been less satisfying for many more people. Since they didn't it's only the few who know the real story who are displeased. ...ANNNND...they would have to included the Greek Gods who started everything with that bloody beauty contest....Athena; goddess of wisdom? Yeah right! The Olympions were a fickle bunch of boys and girls... http://www.jahled.co.uk/smallmonkeywars.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADarkJedi44 Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Yep the whole golden apple deal... EDIT:Well the apple thingy wasn't part of the Iliad itself actually... Sweat saves blood-Erwin Rommel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 True, the Iliad starts with the Briceida thing and makes a flashback to the beginning of the war and then ends with Hector's death. http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 If they had copied the Iliad exactly it would have been less satisfying for many more people. Since they didn't it's only the few who know the real story who are displeased.You have definitely got a point there... Even as I was leaving the cinema, my friend remarked that it was funny that probably about 99% of the audience didn't realise there was an ancient story behind that movie... The Olympions were a fickle bunch of boys and girls... That's exactly the point about Gods, innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 I think a few more of the "literary" realism couldn't have hurt that terribly, as it is it's way too hollywoodesque. http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 I think a few more of the "literary" realism couldn't have hurt that terribly, as it is it's way too hollywoodesque. bWhat did you expect from a Hollywood production?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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