Tank Buster

I have to agree with Droid. Sure it's horrible and all but it doesn't affect me, so I simply don't care. w00t for being pragmatic Uhh... What? You make it sound like NOT having money actually would save you from this theoretical lion. Besides, what are the odds that your going to run into a lion or any other large dangerous animal anyway? We live in world where most of us humans don't need to worry about things like that. We need to worry about surviving in our own human world and that means having money.

Mine isn't until the 15th of april

HOAX! It's sounds pretty damn fake to me, and those sources in support of chemtrails are shit. Wikipedia ain't all that great but it's better than those.

empty bravado methinks :

I think we ought to cut out the petro part. As much as we like petroglyph, with an official forum up and running at PF this place is basically useless. It's a ghost town. There are numerous small fourms that nobody knows about and it's the lucky forums that have something like game devs or strong modding communities to keep them alive and make them popular. Survival of the fittest, we've been out competed, we're going extinct.

and notice how it showed blaster scorches all over the sand crawler way above the height of any jawa. :

yes they do. Bumbling morons who are only slightly less stupid than the rebel troopers. And are easily killed by princess leia's tiny blaster pistol.

if e-woks can kill storm troopers then we could certainly kill them I'm sorry but when it comes to canon Movies > Books

Even on full auto it's rather slow compared to our guns. And they still fight with napoleonic tactics too, easy win for us. Couple of flash bangs into the midst of them and hop in with MP-5s and take em out. If they hadn't already been killed by snipers, that is.

yeah I know, tis called plot devices. However when it comes to star wars canon the movies come first, for better or worse.... :-\ Putting plot devices aside they're still wearing stark white armor. And their guns still fire really slow. Our bullets would still penetrate thier armor. If not with one shots then we'll fill them full of enough holes especially cause our snipers could find them real easy. And storm troopers probably don't see much due to thier helmets.

storm troopers: -white armor, They'll stick out like a sore thumb. -slow firing guns -dumb -die from anything more serious than a paper cut kinda obvious really :

pfffttt.... duh! of course a SSD would smash us but that's not the point. We couldn't touch their star destroyers or anything up there in space simply because we don't have the technology to fight them up there. We haven't even put ourselves on the closest planet to earth yet. We're not even close to coming up with space suited weapons either. It's a whole new book, space warefare.

I think they did want to bombard it. Remember how vader killed off that first admiral because he blundred the fleet to close or far or something like that, and they lost the element of suprise so the rebels were able to get thier sheild up in time before they could bombard it. And I think they did have ground artillery with them. remember that the task force was specifically looking for the rebel base with means to destroy it.

do they even have artillery? The only Imperial artillery I know of is the one in EAW. Which had a range of like 200 feet : I think that the Imperial army doesn't have much use of ground based moblie artillery because their artillery support comes from orbital bombardment from capital ships and whatnot. However the Imperial army won't always have the support of star destroyer over their heads so it's safe to assume that the imperial army does indeed have artillery pieces. And who's to say we'd have lines? the key of modern warfare is mobility. Sit in one place too long or move too slowly and your toasted by artillery or aircraft. One thing I don't like much when it comes to star wars is that the manner of warfare is fairly unrealistic. They have all of these advanced weapons and yet: They sill use Napoleonic style tactics. In the prequels they march around in lines and columns while shooting at each other. Incredously they're doing it with automatic weapons and tanks too. Sheer nonsense. We don't get to see a lot of ground action in 4-6, but the battle of hoth was remiscent of WWI with trenches and everything. And if the Imperial army does indeed have artillery why then did they not utilize it at hoth? They obviously wanted to bombard the base from orbit but they couldn't do it because of the planetary sheild. So how did the walkers get down there in the first place? I will assume for a moment that perhaps the shield will protect the rebels from laser energy but not solid objects but then it would be a simple task of using a atmosphere capable ship like a Victory class destroyer to go through the shield then bombard them. And even if they didn't have any Victory destroyers, then you just deploy bomber squadrons to bomb the base. Also Notice how slowly thier guns fire. Especially in 4-6 the small arms have a real slow rate of fire.

where the hell did that quote come from? That sounds outrageous an ATAT making 60 km/h... actually how fast is 60 km/h? I don't use metric system much, one moment.... That's about 37mph. Oh that's not so fast. It still sounds faster than an ATAT ought to able to go but an M1 Abram's top speed is about 70mph. The new automated mobile howitzers were starting to build now can make about that much too. So if you were on foot or on rollar skates then I guess an ATAT could outrun you. : We still have them beat in range too. Our howitzers have a range of 30 something miles, and even our older ones from the Gulf War still have a 25 mile range. An M1 Abram(depending on the round fired) has a maximun range of 7.5 miles or roughly 12 km. Beating the ATAT's range of 5 miles. Soon I shall post my battle scenario. I'm still working on it.

yes, you'd have to break up the group before going in and taking them out one by one. Alright lets do this: What would you do? Give command of modern millitary forces with an Imperial army coming towards your city how would you tackle it? But first we have to define what it is they have in thier task force. Let's keep it on a smaller scale to simplify things. How about 3 ATATs, 6 ATSTs, and oh say 4 repulsor tanks and 2 AA vehicles (forgot the name of them). Or someone come up with a more balanced task force. Using vehciles from EAW or something like that. And if you want use windows paint or something and draw out how they're deployed and in what formations they travel in, etc etc... I'll do my scenario later. This will be fun

what tank driver would be dumb enough to get stepped on by an ATAT? Even our slowest vehicles could outrun an ATAT. We could outmanuver, outrun, and outrange imperial walkers. furthermore I think you underestimate the power of our weapons. Small arms fire would certainly not penetrate their thick armor but an A-10's shells could easily penetrate that armor. So would shells from our tanks and artillery. Not to mention we don't even have to penetrate their armor, we just have to knock them over. Laser guided bombs and missles could hit them in the side and bring them down. Even on the neck, the sheer force of the missile could blow the head off. Or hit th weak underside. Just bring an Apache down next to it and have it stick some missles in its legs and underbelly. Walkers... Piece of cake. It's the other sutff we'd have to worry about. Juggnauts, and the like.

If rocks and straw sized arrows from ewoks can kill storm troopers then I'm pretty sure our weapons would make quick work of plastic storm trooper armour. As cool as ATATs, ATSTs, and other walking vehicles are; they're really inneficient when you think about it. Mostly because you can't really knock a tank over. Whereas with walkers all you have to do is knock it over and it's down. Especially since ATATs can only shoot forward from the cockpit making it easy to flank. Then you'd just have to hit it hard enough to knock it over. Or just take out it's leg(s)with choppers. And most Imperial vehicles aren't sheilded. Easy prey for an A-10 ThunderBolt (AKA Warthog) to fill them full of holes or rip legs apart. So on the ground we'd stand a good chance. But there's the simple fact that they can orbitally bombard us and we can't touch em back. They don't have to slag the whole planet. Using scanners and other sensory devices the star destroyers could tell where we keep our weapons and then they'd just slag all millitary locations. And if we managed to lanuch a few nukes at them.... a) they'd be intercepted and destroyed by fighter craft b) the ships would be protected by sheilding (isn't a proton torpedo a nuclear weapon too?) If Star destroyers can take hits from proton torpedeos then surely they can take anything we throw at them. c) not sure about this one, but I think even something as large as a star destroyer can out manuver our clumsy ballistic missles. d) signal jamming, they're advanced communication tech could easly jamm our primitve communication systems. As for TIE fighters we couldn't do much against them except with AA. Also know that we haven't had any realy dog fights since Vietnam and Korea. Nowadays we don't really have any aircraft equipped for dog fighting everything is an interceptor. If there were to be a conflict today involving modern aircraft the winner would be the one who's missles have the longest range and most accurate, and who's jest fly faster. In star wars dogfights are silly battles remicsenct of WWII. Flying around very near your enemy and firing away with lasers. Hoping that you might score a few hits. Not very realistic for such advanced technology. But TIE's could probably outmanuver our missles with little difficulty. Except that TIE's are hindered by atmospheric conditions. But then they don't even need to send down TIEs in the first place.

2 words "Christmas Special"

Letting star wars die is one thing. But overkill is another. Star Wars has and always will be a classic but I think the EU has reached it's peak and it's becoming very stupid. Before long all sorts of stuff will come out of it and everyone will associate this new bad material and eventually give star wars a bad name.

so what exactly are we going to do?

I hate windows live. I refused to play the beta because of it. :-\ I had all of these problems with window's live, it just won't let me create an account so I can't play

lets have a fun discussion ;D Sooooo what do you people think about homosexuals? should gay marriges be abolished? should they be supported? should all homosexuals get deported to some isolated place and allowed to live there until they die off? share your thoughts. Personally I think that these days it's all fake.... 100 years ago being gay was almost unheard of. It's so huge now. What has changed since then? I think that some people just do it for attention.

all the recent wars in the middle east can be atributted to one event... At the end of WWI when the allies broke up the ottoman empire. Since then it's just been madness down there. The middle east is the last religious place on earth. Everyone else on the planet has moved on but the middle east is the last place where the people are totally devoted to thier religion. And that means that we don't always agree with them. As for germany... I don't know much but I'd assume that if they're doing any millitary stuff it will most likely be acting as part of the European Union.