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Yes indeed. Sorry, Fun-We, I wasn't having a go at you, I was debating the finer points of astromech designation with Fosh.

So, Obi-Wan Kenobi's faithful astromech droid from the prequels, R4-P17, is a massive mistake?

Exactly! We need a strong Conservative government that retracts from foreign policy, backs away from Europe and makes sure that respect in schools, treatment in hospitals and better all-round social conditions are enforced.

Since the Sith Lords also need stealth controls as well as lightsaber combat controls, I'd probably use the lightsaber combat engine from "Episode III" because that way there would be a couple of buttons on the controller free for pressing up against walls and the suchlike. But then, you probably play most of your games on the PC Fosh, yes? You see, I can't play PC games: I can run them and everything, but using a keyboard and mouse to control a game? That's just wrong. I can't control them. I tried playing some of the Jedi Knight series the other day, gave up and went to find my good old PlayStation2 controller. Keyboard and Mouse? No thanks, DualShock2 anyday.

1: I'm annoyed at the kid for stealing the Xbox 360. While I'm not an Xbox fan, I have no idea where young people these days get ideas like stealing classified material to make themselves look "cool" on the internet. I hope he gets arrested, charged and sent to prison. 2: I'm also annoyed and angered at the computer game promoting the growth, production and sale of illegal substances. This really is disgusting, and anyone willing to produce or develop such a game should also be arrested and charged with inciting illegal activity. 3: I'm very pleased, however, with the news about Grand Theft Auto. If it were up to me, I wouldn't stop there and work to get all Grand Theft Auto games, and similar titles, banned from ever being released again. Games that promote sex, drugs, gang warfare, murder and crime should not even be sold to adults. They're disgusting filth and should be destroyed.

Sorry, Fun-We, but I have to answer just this once. JediIgor: I haven't played "Shadows of the Empire" recently. I sold my Nintendo64 years ago, because game technology has moved on since then. I have now a PlayStation2, and to argue my side of this debate I'm going to use "James Bond 007: Everything or Nothing", a game where the player has complete control over James Bond for every single moment and yet still enjoys many different types of gameplay: running and shooting, sneaking, driving an armoured SUV, riding a motorbike, flying a helicopter, shooting from a moving tank and walking up and down walls with a rappelling chord. That's more than "Shadows of the Empire"... but, hang on, games like that end up crap, do they? Then why has "James Bond 007: Everything or Nothing" been recognised as possibly the most successful James Bond game to date? Why did it top the charts for almost two months? Why is the new James Bond game, "From Russia With Love" in exactly the same format? New technology means more can be fitted into games than ever before, and using a Nintendo64 game from whey-back-when to argue your point here, in 2005, on the eve of the PlayStation3 and Next Next Generation console war, falls flat, I'm sorry to say. Games like this are more diverse, more entertaining, require more skill to play and still allow complete control of the character. Thanks Fun-We. I'm sorry about making a mess: from now on, only discuss Fun-We's excellent game idea!

In that case, you would have: - Qui-Gon Jinn (desert) - Qui-Gon Jinn (Naboo power core) - Obi-Wan Kenobi (Naboo power core) - Yoda - Obi-Wan Kenobi (Geonosis) - Anakin Skywalker (Geonosis) - Obi-Wan Kenobi (Episode III gear) - Anakin Skywalker (Jedi Knight) - Mace Windu (Chancellor's office) - "Old Ben" Kenobi - Luke Skywalker (Bespin duel) - Luke Skywalker (Jedi Knight) That's a heck of a lot of duellists, but could be done on, say, PS3?

That's exactly what I think, along with the Cane in schools to beat senseless those rude, arrogant, self-obsessed little shits that consider themselves better than everyone else... if you don't know what I'm talking about, watch Catherine Tate, Thursday nights, BBC 2.

I'll do a short story, I don't have time to finish Resurgence of the Sith before then. I'll knock something together in about a week or so.

The attacks went wrong. The devices used today in the second attempt to attack London were wired incorrectly: only the detonators exploded with a force similar to a small firework. One of the "suicide bombers", wearing the bomb in a backpack, didn't even receive injury from the detonation, instead ditching the backpack and running as it caught fire. This was another terrorist attack, but thankfully it was rushed and poorly executed and equipped. Due to the huge feeling of defiance spread by the 7/7 bombins, instead of the intended feelings of fear and terror, the bombers decided more action was needed. Unfortunately for them, this was more of a practical joke than a terror attack. Some men were even strip-searched in the middle of the street. The British media is split: the BBC, an educated and unbiased broadcast station, has reported the facts and openly admitted that this is nothing to worry about. ITV, a commercial mainstream channel, has been making people scared all day, using words like "nightmare bombings return" and "London's Burning" (just by chance, the title of one of their entertainment shows... funny, that). If you are a British citizen reading this, I urge you to switch off ITV and ignore the hype and fear. They're bowing to the terrorists: they're spreading the fear that is wanted. The BBC is the voice of reason that really stands up to the bombers. Please, stay calm Britain!

That's only a bonus mission... have you played the "Episode III" videogame? At the very end, there is a standalone bonus mission where you play as Anakin Skywalker fighting Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar. You kill Obi-Wan Kenobi, kill Darth Sidious and become Emperor of the Galaxy yourself... now, that wasn't in the film, but with a new alternate ending, it's a mission in the "Episode III" videogame. With the example you gave, I'll describe what would happen: you would select "Alternate Missions" from the menu and select the Darth Maul mission. You would have a cutscene, rendered in graphics instead of lifted from the film, of Darth Maul approaching the Royal Starship and attacking Qui-Gon Jinn. You'd then play the mission: you kill Qui-Gon, board the ship, kill everyone else and capture Queen Amidala. Then there would be another graphics cutscene of Darth Maul returning the Queen to Naboo, her signing the treaty and the Trade Federation looking all smug. Screen goes dark with a dramatic drumroll and you're returned to the main menu. Same process with all other bonus "Alternate Missions". It's just for laughs, to see what might happen. As I said, if the "Episode III" videogame can do it, why can't I?

Okay, I'm not taking this personally, but: 1: The ability to kill innocents and turn to the Dark Side has already been used in multiple Star Wars games including "Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight", and therefore would provide nothing new. 2: If you don't like the idea of playing like a Sith Lord, then why do you want the ability to turn to the Dark Side anyway? Surely you're asking for something you'd never use, which is slightly pointless. 3: "Those type of games"? What, games based on lightsaber combat? Vehicle games? Stealth games? Games that let you play as a villain, something you seem to be endorsing here with the above post? What? But as I said, I'm not taking this personally...

Judging by your username, I suspect it's not the only thing we agree on.

As far as China goes, it's not the stolen nuclear weapons I'm worried about... moreover the ones still held by the government.

I must have been hibernating or something back in 1996 to have missed an entire war. 25 years until a nuclear holocaust, eh? Meh, I've had a good run...

I'd buy it to go alongside my Sith Lords game! That way I'd be able to kill, maim, terrorise and kill some more before switching discs and enjoying the Light Side for once. Excellent, keep it up!

That long, eh? Shame, Star Trek will be proved wrong... Actually, I think it already has been proved wrong. Weren't the Eugenic Wars in 1996?

I've just decided that it does! No, actually, I made sure it was PC the first time round, there's a big market to grab!

Oh, come on! It's Star Wars: people would buy it even if it were crap! And everyone likes being bad, right? Ghostly, I know "Episode III" gives you both sides of the Force, but that's only in one movie: imagine flying Vader's TIE down the Death Star trench instead of being an X-Wing! Duelling Luke on Cloud City! Defending against Yoda in the Senate Chambers, or on Geonosis as Count Dooku! Being Darth Maul and fighting off two Jedi at once! I'd buy it, anyway.

Please, elaborate. There are two basic game engines: the one from "Episode III" for the walking around and lightsaber combat, and one from, say, "Jedi Starfigher" for the vehicle missions, which are few and far between and used in a much smaller multiplayer. If "James Bond 007: Everything or Nothing" can pull off three types of gameplay in one, I think this is possible. That game had over twenty single player missions including running, shooting, hand-to-hand combat, driving, freefalling, on-rails shooting and still had space to jam in a diverse multiplayer with over ten missions of co-operative gameplay. All on a PlayStation2 disc. Technically, the game works. Unless you mean another type of variable, like plot-related (because let's face it, since when have Star Wars games been worried about sticking to the plot?)? Please, really, elaborate.

I decided to post this after Ghostly Substance put up his idea about a Star Wars-based game. Tell me what you think, and if you'd buy it or not... - STAR WARS: SITH LORDS - Third-person Action/Adventure (with vehicle missions) - PlayStation2, Xbox, PC and GameCube - You play through all six Star Wars feature films taking the roles of the Dark Lords of the Sith: Darth Maul, Darth Tyranus, Darth Sidious and Darth Vader. Your missions range from tracking targets to duelling Jedi Knights and purging the galaxy of justice. Rise from the shadows, seize power and hold on to it as long as possible using the Dark Side of the Force and various weapons and gadgets including 'Dark Eye' remote probes and multiple types of lightsaber. Vehicles such as speeder bikes and TIE Fighters are also at your wicked disposal. Stealth tactics and lurking in the shadows can be just as effective as raw power, too, so remember to act wisely. A good warrior knows the odds and uses them to his advantage: wipe them out. All of them! - Missions: 1:Tracking Queen Amidala - Sith Lord: Darth Maul - Objectives: Land on Tatooine, locate a suitable stealthy position and scan the nearby settlements with 'Dark Eye' probes to locate Queen Amidala and her Jedi protectors. 2: Desert Duel - Sith Lord: Darth Maul - Objectives: Beat the clock using your Sith Speeder to reach the Royal Starship before it leaves and come face-to-face with Qui-Gon Jinn in an effort to detain Queen Amidala and force her to hand over her home. 3: War on Naboo: Part One - Sith Lord: Darth Maul - Objectives: Sneak into the main hangar during the battle between the Nubians and the Droid Army and confront Qui-Gon Jinn and his apprentice, Obi-Wan Kenobi, in a duel to the death. 4: War on Naboo: Part Two - Sith Lord: Darth Maul - Objectives: You've been split up from your opponents by ray shields. First, deal with your nemesis Qui-Gon Jinn and then face his young and energetic Padawan in the final battle. 5: Geonosian Ambush - Sith Lord: Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku) - Objectives: Escape the Jedi forces that have invaded the Separatist fortress on Geonosis, collect the Death Star plans and find your hangar bay before the Clonetroopers find and destroy your escape route. 6: Deadly Chase - Sith Lord: Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku) - Objectives: Navigate the baron Geonosian landscape on your custom Speeder Bike while avoiding Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker, who are chasing you in a Republic Gunship, and reach your hidden Solar Sailor. 7: Three Against One - Sith Lord: Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku) - Objectives: Subdue Anakin Skywalker while you face Obi-Wan Kenobi, then deal with the Chosen One's vicious attack before using the Dark Side and your lightsaber to face Yoda, your former Master. 8: Dark Side Betrayal - Sith Lord: Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku) - Objectives: You've laid a trap for Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi by "kidnapping" Supreme Chancellor Palpatine. Duel with both Jedi before discovering the truth behind the entire scheme above Coruscant. 9: Master Versus Master - Sith Lord: Darth Sidious (Supreme Chancellor Palpatine) - Objectives: Mace Windu and three other Jedi Masters have discovered your twisted plot to rule the galaxy, and therefore must be destroyed. Using lightsaber skills and Dark Side power, kill the intruders. 10: Purge of the Light Side - Sith Lord: Darth Vader - Objectives: With the Clonetroopers at your command and stealth technology, infiltrate the Jedi Temple on Coruscant and wipe out all the Jedi you can find under the orders of your new Master, Darth Sidious. 11: Ultimate Power: Part One - Sith Lord: Darth Sidious (Emperor Palpatine) - Objectives: With Darth Vader out doing your bidding, you're left to face Jedi Master Yoda in a final duel that will decide the fate of the galaxy. Defend against Yoda in the Senate Chamber and show him the true power of the Force. 12: Ultimate Power: Part Two - Sith Lord: Darth Vader - Objectives: Your wife, Padme Amidala, has just revealed her true colours and now Obi-Wan Kenobi challenges your newfound power. Face him in the lava fields of Mustafar and get your revenge. 13: Waiting for Obi-Wan Kenobi - Sith Lord: Darth Vader - Objectives: He turned you into half man, half machine. Now, aboard the Empire's new battle station, use stealth and technology to track down your former Master and face him in a final duel to the death. 14: Death Star Dogfight - Sith Lord: Darth Vader - Objectives: The Rebel Alliance is attacking the Death Star in the tense moments before the destruction of Yavin IV. Use your advanced TIE Fighter to battle with the attacking starfighters and save your battle station. 15: Assault on Hoth - Sith Lord: Darth Vader - Objectives: Weilding the might of the Imperial Army, launch an attack on the ice planet Hoth and slash your way through Rebel troops to find the Millenium Falcon and your son, Luke Skywalker, before it and he escapes your grasp. 16: The Revelation - Sith Lord: Darth Vader - Objectives: On the Cloud City, face your son Luke Skywalker in a furious lightsaber duel and force him to see the true power of the Dark Side... and the truth about his family past. 17: The End of the Sith Lords - Sith Lord: Darth Vader - Objectives: You've brought your son before your Master, Darth Sidious, on the second Death Star. Now, for one final time, fight with all your power to turn him to the Dark Side and save him from being wiped out along with the rest of the Rebellion. - Multiplayer: A duel system similar to that found in "Star Wars: Episode III: Revenge of the Sith", but with a difference: fight in either spaceships or with lightsabers using Dark Lords of the Sith from the entire saga. Select lightsaber duels and get the following: - Characters: 1: Darth Maul 2: Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku) 3: Darth Sidious (Supreme Chancellor Palpatine) 4: Darth Sidious (Emperor Palpatine) 5: Darth Vader (Pre-Mustafar) 6: Darth Vader (Post-Mustafar) - Arenas: 1: Tatooine Desert 2: Nubian Power Generator Room 3: Geonosian Hangar 4: Invisible Hand Throne Room 5: Chancellor's Office 6: Senate Chamber 7: Mustafar Pipe System 8: Death Star Corridors 9: Cloud City Carbonite Chamber 10: Death Star II Throne Room Select ship-to-ship combat and get the following: - Characters: 1: Darth Maul (Sith Infiltrator) 2: Count Dooku (Darth Tyranus) (Solar Sailor) 3: Darth Sidious (Supreme Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine) (Imperial Shuttle) 4: Darth Vader (Advanced TIE Fighter) - Arenas: 1: Geonosian Sky 2: The Battle of Coruscant 3: Death Star Dogfight 4: The Battle of Endor Force powers include the dreaded Force Choke, Force Throw, Force Lightning (not available as Darth Vader), Force Jump, Force Stealth and Force Push, as well as Force Speed, Force Control and Force Power. Droids can be controlled to carry out your bidding after some quick reprogramming if needed. Also included would be a few bonus experiences, including: - Alternate Missions: 1: Tatooine Success - Sith Lord: Darth Maul - Objectives: You've killed Qui-Gon Jinn in the desert and succeeded in stopping the Royal Starship from escaping. Make your way through the ship and kill Obi-Wan Kenobi before detaining Queen Amidala and taking her back to Naboo to sign the treaty. 2: Geonosis Success - Sith Lord: Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku) - Objectives: Clonetroopers are pouring into your hidden hangar. Kill them all before duelling and killing Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi and the irritating Yoda. 3: Mustafar Success - Sith Lord: Darth Vader - Objectives: As you fight with Obi-Wan Kenobi, your Master Darth Sidious arrives early from his battle with Yoda and helps you hunt down and kill your Jedi friend, enforcing Sith rule over the entire galaxy forever. Yoda also appears... destroy him. 4: Endor Success - Sith Lord: Darth Sidious (Emperor Palpatine) - Objectives: Darth Vader has teamed up with his son, Luke Skywalker, and both are advancing to kill you and seize control of the Empire. Fend them both off using the raw power of the Dark Side and destroy this father and son team. So... would you play? What do you think?

I love that room in Lego Star Wars. I spent like 5 minutes jumping my guy around with the music playing. My husband and I tried to kill the Kaminoans, but somehow they were immune to even Darth Sidious and Count Dooku's combined force!

Meh... it's all fiction anyway...

Indeed. That's why Quantum Torpedoes, the much more powerful warheads, are so brilliant: they detonate matter and anti-matter! Instead of just "Boom!" you get "Ka-Boom!"

Just played a dumb moment and thought I'd share it with you... - James Bond 007: Everything or Nothing: A tank blows up a statue and blocks a cliffside road just as Bond, driving his Porsche Cayenne Turbo SUV, is trying to escape. Under Q's advice, he steers his large, weighty vehicle off the cliff, sailing quite peacefully through the air before (wait for it) landing... and the Porsche BOUNCES about twelve feet into the air before landing again and, this time, staying down. As if that wasn't enough, Bond, under control of the player, drives his SUV up an almost sheer rock and grass face. Quite hillarious, although it is Bond and three missions later he's chucking himself off a cliff as described as one of my Best Moments up above... great game nonetheless.