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  1. I thought that post was too big to start with, so I'm adding this into a different one entirely. Note the bridge seen at the end of ROTS. It's a KDY bridge, much like the one on the Executor, and those seen on the other ISDs seen in TESB. Sources indicate that the bridges on KDY ships differed from the Rendilli-made VSD. I myself have trouble believing that two rival companies would build two competing warships with the same bridge interior, even under a military commission, and especially not pre-Empire. So this indicates that the destroyer pictured was a KDY design - either a Venerator class, or an Imperial class. Given the presence of Palpatine on board, as well as his chief lieutenant and warlord, Vader, I would expect this to be a flag ship also. Could this be the Imperator, the very first ISD? Or perhaps even the ISD Devastator, Vader's flagship in the period leading up until the Battle Of Yavin (as seen in the opening scene of ANH), after which Palpatine gave him the Executor. Guess until Lucas starts working with the New Order time frame (From ROTS to ANH) we'll never know. -edit- it has come to light that the VSD was first referenced in a star wars scource book in the 1980s. Also, before you jump on me, I am aware that the Ven. Class is longer than the VSD - it also has a much larger hanger bay, and IMO would require a smaller crew loadout than a regular VSD I. Obviously they had some major deficiency compared to the VSD as they appear to have been completely defunct by the time of the civil war, wheras Pellaeon was still using VSDs in Darksaber.
  2. I wasn't going to bother creating an account, but I feel I have to interject here Ok, basically what you have to consider is the concept of canon: What is and what isn't "official" Lucasarts-ratified information, and degrees of canon. Lucas' official policy on the authenticity of information regards the movies as the #1 resource, followed by the resource books (cross sections etc), then the EU: works of fiction and then games, rpgs etc. Keep in mind the Victory Star Destroyer doesn't appear in any films, nor the first X-wing game(as far as games go this one seems to deviate the least), and, although until AOTC was released, it had an entry in the starwars.com databank, it no longer exists there. The Victory class destroyer was first, as far as I can remember, referred to in Heir To The Empire, the first of the Thrawn trilogy. As you all know, Tie Fighter and the following games drew on those three books for warship design, almost exclusively. Until AOTC those were canon. Now they are not (a shame, I prefer Zahn's work to Lucas'). From what I can see, Lucas has committed yet another one of his great inconsistancy blunders. He does this a lot, sacrificing the painstaking efforts of his loyal team of developers and writers to keep the universe as consistant and interweaved as possible, because he cbf sticking with it. He could have called the Venerator a Victory - the only images we have of the VSD are from TF and the later X-wing games. But he couldn't be bothered. Now his elite team of "mythology managers" from LA have to run around and clean up the mess. So you have a choice. You can go with Lucas and start pretending that the VSD never existed, but a very similar craft, the Venerator, did. Or you could follow the EU, and fill in the blanks yourself. The VSD, dating back into the old republic, was a relatively large craft, possibly even a flagship for a sector fleet back then. Such a thing would be extremely expensive to produce in the quantities they needed without the resource-raping tactics of palpatine's war machine. I really doubt the Old Republic would choose them over a smaller cheaper and more easily deployed warship. Cue the Ven. class. Notice there were no Dreadnaughts seen in any of the engagements portrayed in AOTC either. With a crew requirement of 16000 and a limited supply of clones, with the Katana fleet long gone by then, they surely existed in great number, but it probably worked out more efficient to build more... specifically designed craft (such as the Acl. class and Ven. Class. Later on, with the advent of conscription and the tightening of the reigns by Palpatine's new order, VSDs would have become a more practical solution, as would Dreadnaughts, and later ISDs and other larger craft. This notion of manpower also explains why the second death star took only 2 or 3 years to construct, whereas the first obviously took a lot longer. (Although the Technical Commentaries will tell you that the example seen at the end of ROTS is not the same size and shape as the one that destroyed Alderaan. I suggest this might in fact be the prototype later relocated to the Maw).

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