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Title is quite different from rank. I live in Fort Campbell, KY and am surrounded by U.S. troops (or at least was, until the war in Iraq), and something I have learned is that there is a VERY big difference between a title and a rank. The division commander of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) holds the rank of Major General, but his title is Division Commander. Does this mean that his rank is Division Commander? Of course not, his rank is major general. A better example is that of status. Warlord is probably more of a status title than anything else, though. Someone promoted to the general and admiral ranks is a command officer, but not necassarily a commander, but could actually be an administrative aide or a military liason. Yes, Thrawn was a Warlord, but nowhere in the chain of command or chain of rank do have the rank Warlord. Instead it is a status title, probably reserved for those of the "grand" ranks (i.e. Grand Admirals). But then again, I've heard Lord Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine both called "warlords" as well. I've also heard Daala called a warlord. The problem with the title of Warlord is that it was taken up by rogue Imperial military commanders after Endor and especially after Thrawn (as is most clear in Anderson's Darksaber). Thrawn and other Grand Admirals were warlords, that is to say, "one who rules war", but their rank was, nonetheless, what it was (in this case: grand admiral). Again, Warlord is an honorary status title for higher ranking/higher status personnel. I don't mean to impose myself (for I can see why you would present such an arguement), but I am giving the facts, sir. (The "sir" was not meant to be saracastic in any way, but with the utmost respect for you are a lieutenant colonel and I am a cadet).

Actually . . . The rank of warlord does not exist. It is a made up title used by Zsinj. Thrawn himself was called a Warlord of the Empire/Servant of the Emperor because he was one of the elite Grand Admirals. It's just a like a "nick name", if you will, it's not a true rank. The Army ranks typically seen among Fighter units (such as Major, General, etc.) are, believe it or not, mistakes. These mistakes are commonly made since most of the STAR WARS novelists are Americans and the U.S. is one of the few countries in the world that uses Army ranks for their Air Force (since the U.S. Air Force started within the Army as the U.S. Army Air Corps). That's why that mistake is typically seen. The mistake is most clearly seen as being a mistake when they called Wedge a Commander and under him was a Captain . . . incorrect. Captain is always above Commander (branch makes no difference). Moffs are not all civilians. Many of them are, such as governors, ending up as Ancient Roman consuls and proconsuls. During the early part of the Roman empire consuls were civilians who ruled the empire but were also called generals (such as Consul Varro during the Second Punic War). Moffs can also be military officers who are given the command of a sector over all operations within the area. There were many more moffs and grand moffs than simply the two in the movies and most of them were military, but eventually the numbers turned (around the time of The Hand of Thrawn series). I am quite aware of prefects, but they don't quite fit in to the rank structure of the Armed Forces. The Alliance, actually, doesn't have generals in the Navy. That's an oxy-moron in itself. General Garm Bel Iblis was a civilian appointed to be a military officer (kind of like proconsuls in Rome) and was given command of a few ships. Simply because he commanded a few ships does not make him part of the Navy. During World War II, an Army colonel was forced to take command of a Naval vessel, but he was, of course, not part of the Navy. And in STAR WARS, with the continous interaction between the fleet and the Army, you have to consider that some Amry officers can be put into Naval officer positions, and vice versa. All this research is, of course, not mine alone. Most of it comes from the the STAR WARS Technical Commentaries (a link can be found in my siganture: second link).

Sorry, there are no Supreme titles within the Alliance. Hey, I would be willing to help out as well. I could and would be willing to get a hold of the correct rank insignia, the correct ranks, and so forth. Back to my previous post. I mentioned I would type up more details about STAR WARS ranks. First off, as far as enlisted rank insignia goes, I'm not sure what it looks like, but I can tell you that the enlisted ranks (private, corporal, sergeant, etc.) do have the squares for insignia because that is used only by officers. Also (this is where it gets even more confusing), there are (known) at least two different type of insignia. If you look at the rank insignia used in A New Hope aboard the Death Star, you'll notice that some ranks consist of two different colors on the same bar (yellow a blue, for example). Then you'll notice in The Empire Strikes Back the use of a different organization where for every one red square there is one blue square (this is all Imperial, of course, since there are very few exmaples of the Alliance's insignia). Then you have to take the code cylinders into account . . . it just gets very long and complicated, but believe it or not there is a system and an underlying pattern to it all. First off, we must assume that the rank used in A New Hope is a special unit (that under Grand Moff Tarkin), which is 100% possible and probable. Then we must establish the fact that the rank insignia in Return of the Jedi is one big blooper due to the fact that they are all the same (except for a few exceptions, but that's only in the rank cylinder). We also know from a reference in one of the X-Wing novels that the more rank cylinders you have, the lower the rank you are (used when Ysanne Isard plucked a code cylinder from a commander's uniform and made him a captain). Thus, the same rank plaque (squares) can be used for different ranks, but with a different number of code cylinders. We also know that active officers have code cylinders, thus cadets do not (and enlisted personnel do not use the square-cylinder system for insignia and it must also be noted that cadet is not the same thing as recruit. Cadet is a person in training to be an officer, a recruit is someone in training to be a regular enlisted person). We must alos realize that equal ranks (such as Admiral and General) have the same rank insignia, even being the different branches of the military. So now we go to known soruces (using the standard rank insignia primarily presented in The Empire Strikes Back). We know, from different characters, what ranks they are and from those few sources [such as Piett (before and after promotion), Ozzel, Veers, Needa, etc.] we know a pattern exists. Now, I'm not going to go into detail about what every single rank insignia looks like, but I will list all the ranks of the officers of all three branches (enlisted ranks not included because those are not clear and are under controversy). Here it is: NAVY Grand Admiral High Admiral Fleet Admiral Admiral Vice Admiral Rear Admiral Commodore Line Captain Captain Commander Lieutenant Commander Lieutenant Sub-Lieutenant Acting Sub-Lieutenant Ensign Midshipman (AKA: Officer Cadet) ARMY Grand General Surface Marshal High General General Lieutenant General Major General Brigadier High Colonel Colonel Lieutenant Colonel Major Captain Lieutenant Second Lieutenant - Officer Cadet FIGHTER ? ?High Marshal ?Force Marshal Chief Marshal Marshal Vice Marshal Commodore - Group Captain Wing Commander Squadron Leader Flight Lieutenant Flying Officer Pilot Officer Acting Pilot Officer Officer Cadet NOTE: I tried to put the top three tables side-by-side so you could get an idea of comparison of rank, but sadly, couldn't. You'll have to do on your own. An easy way to do so is number them from top of bottom and compare them that way. 1 with 1, 9 with 9, etc. Also realize where you see ( - ) that means there is no equivalent rank (yes, this happens and is not a mistake). The ranks of Moff, Grand Moff, and Supreme Moff fall between the ranks of High Admiral/Surface Marshal/?High Marshal, but are not ones that have to be achieved to make the "Grand" ranks. The other reason I did not list them in the above table is because they can also be ranks which civilians were appointed to. So moffs can be either military or civilian. Also, note that moffs command a region of space, grand moffs command an overregion of space, and a supreme moff probably either acts like a higher ranking grand moff or a lower ranking Grand Admiral/Grand General. Alliance/New Republic ranks are just about the same (except the moffs and a few other exceptions). They are also simpler to understand and have less ranks (since they have a smaller military than the Empire). I could type those up to . . . but it would take time. By the way, Alliance/Republic insignia is dots on the chest instead of squares, and, yes, there is a pattern to those. Not sure how I will ever show you guys (at least here in the forums) pictures of the insignia, but I can guarantee that if any changes are made to the structure of the ranks here in the forums (as was suggested by Scathane), I would be more than willing to help and would get the appropriate rank insignia for all the ranks. I could type up more details and am willing to on request and with questions, but if not, please be content.

Well, there is no true rank of Warlord in STAR WARS, and, not trying to be rude, some of them are wrong, but many are correct. Sorry, I'm just a factual type of guy. In signature there is a link to a STAR WARS site where there is a table of ranks for all the branches, as well as insignia for them (except the enlisted ranks). It would take me a long time to go into detail about this. When I get home later this afternoon, I'll post a table of the ranks (including the popular ones such as Moff, Grand Moff, and the lesser-known Supreme Moff) and so forth. Stay tuned!

I probably shouldn't contact them? Hmm . . . why's that? Well, about the ranks: I was not proposing anything, but giving out facts. In the Star Wars Universe, the Army, Navy, and Fighter (Force) are all serperate branches of the armed forces/military. I can see why you would say that and, of course, it makes sense for the forums. Check out Dr. Curtis Saxton's site: The Star Wars Technical Commentaries: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/. That'll give you all the facts you can handle.

Quite true. That happened to me in one of my first games wile the Alliance had a blockade established around Coruscant. I lost all defenses (Gencore, INS, etc) and . . . well, there went Coruscant.

Don't worry, Trejiuvanat, I am fluent in Spanish.

Should I contact Admin for the official numbers? I'm sad, though, that the Army and Naval ranks are all mixed together/intertwined. For example, a Major is the Army equivalent of a the Naval rank of Lieutenant Commander. Admiral is the Naval equivalent of the Army rank of General. I'm sure at least some of you know of what I am talking about. By the way, do the Admins frequent the boards?

Not sure anyone has asked, nor if anyone has written this anywhere, but what is the number of posts necessary for each rank? And, thus, what is the order of ranks (and do you guys seperate the Naval ranks from the Army ranks from the Fighter ranks)? Don't worry, I won't spam to get the rank.

HAHAHA! Is that possible to be? I can see it know, a big fat man walking down the street who just happens to be wearing a big gray shirt with a circle on it and people shouting: "Hey, look, there goes the Death Star!" HAHAHAHA!

Fun, wasn't it? I didn't name each ship, except for the first one, which was obviously Katanna. After that, I used the simple U.S. Naval ship coding. For example, in the U.S. Navy, a missle cruiser is CG, a destroyer is DD, a missle destroyer DDG, etc. So I simply named the other 199 dreads CC/D (cruiser/Dreadnaught) -2 through -200. Pretty weird, huh? I usually don't run out of names, but when I do, I start to use the simply coding.

Maybe I'll download RebEd a little later, for now (having reinstalled Rebellion for the first time in about 3 months), I'm going to play around with it a little before starting to hack. . . . but when I do . . . heh heh heh . . . Thanks!

I am apparently Grand Moff Tarkin: "You're sly, cunning, and apparently you smell bad. But you have cheekbones that Giselle Bundchen would kill for." . . . I don't smell bad I usually come out with Thrawn or Piett (but once I got Palpatine) on these things.

Has anyone other than myself actually ever attempted to build the ~200 Dreadnaught Katanna fleet? I have actually done it before and it is GREAT! Imagine 200 Dreadnaughts suddenly appearing in orbit over your system and take out your fleet within seconds, then bomb the hell out of your planet! foaming at mouth . . . It's great to be an Imperial.

So there is no way to stop natural disasters? I was hoping there was because I just hate it when I have 9 to 13 shipyards over Sluis Van and then suddenly I have a HUGE natural disaster and lose all but 2.

. . . I'm sorry, but I'm VERY confused. But thank you for the warm welcome! Okay, so I have to download the Resource Hacker to be able to replace ships in the game to have new ships . . . right? Oh, I've never used RebEd. Like I stated, I truly am a newbie to hacking this game. By the way, why can't we simply add more ships instead of having to replace them?

Hello, everyone, I am a newbie, and as a newbie it is my right to march in and ask a stupid question which I find to be quite serious. The questions are: I recently downloaded the Eclipse SSD, the SSSD, the Golan III, and many other ships from this site, but do not know how to add them to the game. I was wondering: could someone tell me how to add them to the game? Second question: I've heard that to add new ships in the game, you have to take out old ships or replace the old ones with ones. Is this true? If so: why does this have to happen? Why can't we add new ships, while keeping the old one?