GDFKingTigerTank Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) EvilleJedi, I know one of the little things you haven't gotten to yet is doing custom names for race capital ships and if you're interested, I'm offering my help. Below is a compiled list of historical ship names from the SW universe along with their ship classes and where necessary, some fantasy name additions to flush out the list where cannon is weak - noted by the "~". It looks like Sins doesn't allow individual capital ship classes to have independent name lists -I may be wrong- but instead each race just has a capital ship name databank in the strings file. So at the least historical ship names from the SW universe could be added, they just might not be attached to the correct ship class... Again I've never modded these exact settings but it appears that if in the Player .entity files, the CapitalShipNameType is edited from say "CapitalShipTech" to "CapitalShipImperial" then in the strings file the game it looks like it would pull ship names from a new set of strings as shown in the example below: ID "IDS_CAPITALSHIPNAME_IMPERIALXX" (where XX = numbers) as opposed to ID "IDS_CAPITALSHIPNAME_TECHXX" (where XX = numbers) If new "CapitalShipNameType"s have to be defined anywhere else that you know of then that of course would have to be done too, but I can't find it anywhere else. Anyway what I'm offering, if it would be helpful, is to do this for the current races, using what I've pasted below as a basis. Again I'd start with historical names and only if needed, follow up with some of the "fantasy" additions. Total modified files - probably only 5 currently; The player files for Imperials, Alliance, Old Republic, and CIS, and the string file. Please let me know if this would be of assistance, GDFKingTigerTank ---MC80 Class--- (names based on luxury passenger liner names)Nebula Gazer ~Radiant Flare ~Crown Jewel ~Paradise III ~Turn of Fortune ~Solar Wind ~Galacticus ~Regal ~ ---MC80 Maria Class---MariaFreedom ~Objector ~Pontificator ~Resistant ~Mon Segula ~Mon Garitus ~ ---MC80 Liberty Class---AllianceArdentAutonomyEndeavorLibertyMantan WandererMon DelindoMon KarrenOrthavanReef Home ---MC80A Class---OdesseusHopeNaritusStarviewCathleenExcelsiorStimsenj'katDefiance ---Mon Remonda (MC80B) Class---AllegiantMon AdapyneMon RemondaStartide ---Independence Class---IndependenceHome One ---Venerator---CourageousChampion ~Deterrent ~Formidable ~Fortitude ~GuarlaraInterventionIntrepidJustice ~Lawbringer ~RedoubtRo-Ti-MundiVenator ~VigilanceWhite Knight ~ ---Victory I---BombardCrusaderCoursca FireEviceratorEmperor's WisdomIniquityMalignantProtectorRenegateStalwartSceltorSubjugatorIron FistVictoryVindictive ---Victory II---Arrogance ~Challenger ~Eradicator ~ Mortician ~NemesisUnbearable ~Wyvern ~ ---Procurator Destroyer---Attentive ~Defender ~Protector ~ProcuratorResponder ~Overseer ~ ---Praetor Star Battlecruiser---Aquilifer ~Caesar ~Centurion ~Cohort ~Legionnaire ~PraetorPontificus ~Quaestor ~Testudo ~ ---Mandator Star Dreadnaught---Ordinator ~MandatorDictator ~Enforcer ~ ---Imperator I Class---AdmonitorAssassinBasiliskConquerorConquestCourageousDevestatorEmperor's WillEmperor's RevengeGloryGnisnalGorgonHammerHydraIntrepidImmortalImperatorInexorableMajesticMaliceManticoreNihilPunisherRedoubtableResolutionThunderflareTyrantUltimaVanguardWarrior ---Imperator II Class---AccuserAdamantAvariceAvengerBellicoseChimaeraDeath's HeadDireptionEviceratorFirestormInterrigatorJudicatorKreigerMonarchMoonshadowNemesisPreemptoryPulsarRelentlessRelianceRetributionStalkerSteadfastStormhawkVirulenceWolfs Claw ---Torpedo Sphere Class---Doomsphere ~Besieger ~Catapult ~Trebuchet ~Nutcracker ~ ---Executor Class---ExecutorLusankyaTerrorVengeanceGuardianAnnhilatorReaperBrawlerIntimidator ---Lucrehulk DCS---Ambition ~Extortionist ~Gambit ~Hoard ~Motherlode ~Tariff ~Venture ~ ---Trade Fed Adv. Destroyer---Elusive ~Shadow Walker ~Colicoid SwarmNightmare ~Invisible HandLucid VoiceDream Crusher ~ ---Lucrehulk Class Battleship---Accountor ~AcquisitorBounty ~DarkvengeG’hiika ~KeeperMoua’dibProcurerProfitSaak’akStockadeTaxation ~ ---Malevolence Star Cruiser---Constrictor ~MalevolenceDevastationSpinecrusher ~Destruction ~ ---Geonosian Dreadnaught Class--- Behemoth ~Flying Death ~Pride of Geonosia ~Gargantua ~Mammoth ~ Edited December 5, 2008 by GDFKingTigerTank
SWR Staff - Executive Evaders99 Posted December 5, 2008 SWR Staff - Executive Posted December 5, 2008 Are these names from actual sources? Would love to add them to our Known Ships into the Starship Compendiumhttp://swmods.swrebellion.com/wiki/Starship_Compendium Evaders99http://swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Webmasterhttp://swrebellion.com/images/banners/swcicuserbar.png Administrator Fighting is terrible, but not as terrible as losing the will to fight.- SW:Rebellion Network - Evaders Squadron Coding -The cake is a lie.
GDFKingTigerTank Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) Evaders, the names with no tilde are confirmed by canon - assuming we can agree what "canon" is Although going back and attributing where I got each of those names from each source - including 54? odd novels would be... excruciating at this point. Most of them come straight from the books - novels and schematic books both, with a small additional heap from the games like X-Wing, TIE Fighter. A few from the comics too. And admittedly. some additional assistance was garnered along the way from "wookiepedia" - but mostly just to make sure I was correctly remembering what I've read.I didn't go back and reread ALL my books to put together this list The CIS and Old Republic ships still have much less written and known about them than most anything Empire, New Republic, and even Vong imho. Although some classes like the Victory II is almost impossible to find cannon references to outside of a very few books like the ones that give the detailed schematics and such - and they tend not to give many if any actual ship names - which was the reason for including the "fantasy" names IF they were to ever be named by class in Sins. Also if you're going to add all these names into that database - the Mon Cals are a troublesome lot. Some people believe that Home One and Independence are two different ships, others the same. Some canon references the "Defiance" and some sister ships as MC90s, but she was first introduced to us as an MC80A and calling her a MC90 makes no sense anyway because she was built long before the Mon Remonda - designated a MC80B - was even conceived. Add in the fact that supposedly no two Mon Cals - especially pre Endor are built alike so are they the same class or not.... it's a cluster. Also perhaps Eville can tell me for sure, but in Sins is it only the first MC80 "star frigate" capital ship that is meant to represent the converted luxury liners and not purpose built warships? Edited December 5, 2008 by GDFKingTigerTank
GDFKingTigerTank Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 Oh and if you are going to enter those names into the database - the Executor Class "Brawler" is also the "Iron Fist" - which is why it's not on the list. Zsinji evenutally renamed it Iron Fist after his first VSD command. Don't know which you'd want to enter it as.
SWR Staff - Executive Evaders99 Posted December 5, 2008 SWR Staff - Executive Posted December 5, 2008 I understand there is a lot of confusion with the MCs. I'm glad someone's done the research - I'm not asking for specific citations or anything. Be happy to add all the canon ones. Hopefully other people will find this resource useful and maybe add more information for others to use Evaders99http://swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Webmasterhttp://swrebellion.com/images/banners/swcicuserbar.png Administrator Fighting is terrible, but not as terrible as losing the will to fight.- SW:Rebellion Network - Evaders Squadron Coding -The cake is a lie.
DarthTex Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 Are these names from actual sources? Would love to add them to our Known Ships into the Starship Compendiumhttp://swmods.swrebellion.com/wiki/Starship_CompendiumIf you want a ~good list of ships for the Starship Compendium, Wookiepedia has a list of Imperial Ships, Alliance Ships, Galactic Republic Ships, and CIS Ships. Unfortunately, the lists are not broken down into ship categories, but they do give source/reference data There is also a list of Known Fleets of the SW universe. (Wow, I actually posted in a WARLORDS forums ) Finally, after years of hard work I am the Supreme Sith Warlord! Muwhahahaha!! What?? What do you mean "there's only two of us"?
SWR Staff - Executive EvilleJedi Posted December 5, 2008 SWR Staff - Executive Posted December 5, 2008 the MC star frigate is the sorta bastard child of the XWA MC ships, the converted luxury liners and the mini home one versions that don't have the extra engines, so it isn't a specific, more of a catch all. thanks for the list I'll put them in, but do you also have the rebellion names in there too?
GDFKingTigerTank Posted December 6, 2008 Author Posted December 6, 2008 Rebellion names - as in captured ships and such renamed by the Rebels? Negative! I figured since the new republic wasn't in game that I should make sure to keep the list by ship type strictly to their original factions! There are no CIS or Imperial ship types in that list with Rebellion, New Republic, etc. renames listed - just their original given names.
SWR Staff - Executive EvilleJedi Posted December 6, 2008 SWR Staff - Executive Posted December 6, 2008 rebellion names as in names for ships in the game rebellion
SWR Staff - Executive Evaders99 Posted December 6, 2008 SWR Staff - Executive Posted December 6, 2008 How much of Rebellion is canon? The ship names from Rebellion could be useful, though I wonder if there are references in other SW resources or just made-up Evaders99http://swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Webmasterhttp://swrebellion.com/images/banners/swcicuserbar.png Administrator Fighting is terrible, but not as terrible as losing the will to fight.- SW:Rebellion Network - Evaders Squadron Coding -The cake is a lie.
GDFKingTigerTank Posted December 7, 2008 Author Posted December 7, 2008 SW Rebellion? I have no idea whether it would be officially considered "canon" or not, but my guess is that it may not be - because it gives players the ability to kill known SW characters and "alter" the timeline of the galactic civil war. Also, wasn't the galaxy randomly generated for each game? The pilot sims and such were always based on the premise of playing out historical campaigns and missions, which is obviously different. But did they use canon names in Rebellion;yes, at least partially I definitely saw some on the ISDs. Just my 2 cents.
SWR Staff - Executive Evaders99 Posted December 8, 2008 SWR Staff - Executive Posted December 8, 2008 I know we've had a list.. Here we go: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1106 I think I remember Rebellion just randomly applies a name. I don't know if its based on ship classes Evaders99http://swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Webmasterhttp://swrebellion.com/images/banners/swcicuserbar.png Administrator Fighting is terrible, but not as terrible as losing the will to fight.- SW:Rebellion Network - Evaders Squadron Coding -The cake is a lie.
GDFKingTigerTank Posted December 8, 2008 Author Posted December 8, 2008 Yeah I took a look at the ship list, it doesn't appear to be canon at all. They're missing lots of canon names from both the Rebel and Imperial side and I see a lot of names there I've neve seen anywhere else in the Star Wars universe. One guy in that thread even says he had a Death star named "Raze" Although, depending on how Sins can handle the ship names, EvilleJedi may not be able to specify the ship names to their correct classes. So in that way, even though the names themselves may be canon, they would not map correctly to their ships.
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