AoSW, rest in peace.

[Logan Felipe]

That's right, AoSW has moved to another game. 

 

Alas, poor yoric, I knew him well.

[Droid803]

Well moving doesn't mean dead.

Btw, what game?

[Mr.Caine]

I bet its Universe at War. A lot of mod teams are moving onto that game.

[Nomada_firefox]

I have one interesting question, will universe at war have a galactic map?

[Droid803]

Yea. The world map is the galactic map, but only land battles...

[Logan Felipe]

They're moving to WiC (World in Conflict).

[Dr. Nick]

Felipe, I don't appreciate you leaking out things from the team forum or the senior area. Especially things that were simply ideas or suggestions and not final decisions. There is a possibility we may be moving to WiC, but no decisions have been made. Please refrain from revealing things in a private forum and from making premature assumptions.

 

-Nick

Edited September 26, 2007 by Dr. Nick

[Droid803]

Oh well...so if it does move, can I still use the Shadow-Class Cruiser after its fixed? lol.

[Dr. Nick]

lol

Doubtful at best, but ask Eagle. It's up to him really.

[Droid803]

lol. That's what you said about the TR dreadnought...though that's slightly different.

 

So, how would it work out in WiC?

[Dr. Nick]

Arrgh. As far as I know, we're not even gonna move to WiC. As far as I know, we keep working or AoSW dies.

[1upD]

There is a possibility we may be moving to WiC

It's so sad... :'( Ages of Star Wars was going to be the second best mod of EaW...

Hey...

 

If AoSW moves on, could we use their models?

Felipe, I don't appreciate you leaking out things from the team forum or the senior area. Especially things that were simply ideas or suggestions and not final decisions. There is a possibility we may be moving to WiC, but no decisions have been made. Please refrain from revealing things in a private forum and from making premature assumptions.

 

-Nick

Ooooooooooooh...

[Dr. Nick]

If AoSW moves on, could we use their models?

 

You can use 'em by running the mod, but that's about it.

[Logan Felipe]

Ooooooooooooh...

 

Team member business; go back to your drinks. (there was a slight misunderstanding involved).

[Droid803]

Even if AoSW moves, hopefully a splinter faction can stay and make a Eaw/FoC version. I mean, the two games play completely differently...right?

[Logan Felipe]

pretty much.

Although I don't think Eagle would let a splinter faction exist (that used the AoSW models).

 

I still don't know how they would work cruisers in...

[1upD]

Even if AoSW moves, hopefully a splinter faction can stay and make a Eaw/FoC version. I mean, the two games play completely differently...right?

pretty much.

Although I don't think Eagle would let a splinter faction exist (that used the AoSW models).

Ooooh...Rogue modders...Sounds exciting...

[Droid803]

And why would there be a problem with a mod being for two games?

It won't hurt anything... Strange thinking indeed.

And if its being carried out by team mebers that can't even shift to WiC, then its not really losing any working force, is it?

[Nomada_firefox]

If AoSW moves on, could we use their models?

 

You can use 'em by running the mod, but that's about it.

Have AOSW payed to the authors' society or created patent? the answer is "no".

 

I think that you can use all the mod.

 

The unique thing for not use the all this is the the grade of respect to the creators but nothing more.

 

WiC

Has it only land battles? Without space battles it would be much less amusing.

[Dr. Nick]

I'm not here to write an essay, so I'll go straight to the point. The actual models, textures, and animations are created by Ages of Star Wars. You may NOT use any part of the mod in your own modification.

 

As for "paying respect",

You choose not to pay respect to the creators of the models

You choose not to pay respect to the creators of the textures

You choose not to pay respect to the creators of the animations

And quite possibly, you choose not to pay respect to the coder.

 

Many of the units seen are the intellectual property of LucasArts. However, there are also several that are the unique concepts of the AoSW team. Do you also make your pathetic claim on those too?

 

As I said above, you cannot use the various assets of AoSW in your mod. Any attempt to do so will result in serious repercussions.

 

-Dr. Nick

Ages of Star Wars Coleader

[Droid803]

This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but...

 

Yea, if a mod team doesn't specify, you should assume "no".

After all, they made the models, the skin, the animations - its all personal work, if you're just going to take it its just wrong.

Especially the intellectual concepts - stealing someone else creativity for yourself, is just wrong.

 

At least ask before assuming...

[Nomada_firefox]

I'm not here to write an essay, so I'll go straight to the point. The actual models, textures, and animations are created by Ages of Star Wars. You may NOT use any part of the mod in your own modification.

 

As for "paying respect",

You choose not to pay respect to the creators of the models

You choose not to pay respect to the creators of the textures

You choose not to pay respect to the creators of the animations

And quite possibly, you choose not to pay respect to the coder.

 

Many of the units seen are the intellectual property of LucasArts. However, there are also several that are the unique concepts of the AoSW team. Do you also make your pathetic claim on those too?

 

As I said above, you cannot use the various assets of AoSW in your mod. Any attempt to do so will result in serious repercussions.

 

-Dr. Nick

Ages of Star Wars Coleader

Sorry but the the world doesn't work this way. I´m only speaking you about the legal points of your opinion.

 

Another thing is respect this to be a part of a community. But don't made a mistake, you have not legal rights about your work, it is only a mod, not a legal work because it is not declared. For but information speaks with its lawyer.

[Logan Felipe]

I'm not here to write an essay, so I'll go straight to the point. The actual models, textures, and animations are created by Ages of Star Wars. You may NOT use any part of the mod in your own modification.

 

As for "paying respect",

You choose not to pay respect to the creators of the models

You choose not to pay respect to the creators of the textures

You choose not to pay respect to the creators of the animations

And quite possibly, you choose not to pay respect to the coder.

 

Many of the units seen are the intellectual property of LucasArts. However, there are also several that are the unique concepts of the AoSW team. Do you also make your pathetic claim on those too?

 

As I said above, you cannot use the various assets of AoSW in your mod. Any attempt to do so will result in serious repercussions.

 

 

Being able to model a starship does NOT justify any of these ridiculously arrogant claims that modders are nobility and everyone else is a moocher or scum. :

 

One thing you're forgetting; did anyone say "we should be able to use all the content without permission or giving credit"? No. I'm saying that it can't be the property of something if its dead. The ownership rights should automatically be returned to the creators of said content.

 

Meaning Eagle should have no rights to prevent anyone from distributing mod content they themselves created if they give permission for others to do so.

[Dr. Nick]

But the creators of the work for AoSW agreed on this point.

 

And AoSW isn't dead yet.

 

Where did I say that modders are nobility?

 

But trying to use other people's work when permission is denied should make you worse than those homeless beggars living in the slums.

 

As for you Nomada, the intellectual property does NOT belong to you. Should LucasArts attempt to use our assets, then they have the right to do so. However, you are not LucasArts.

 

Not a legal work hmm? What about artwork?

As I said, there are several ships that are AoSW concepts and several models that are merely loosely based on LA work.

 

Threads like this and people like you are some of the reasons why AoSW is closing. Just keep that in mind.

Edited September 28, 2007 by Dr. Nick

[Droid803]

It not about legality. Heck if you talk about that, porting is illegal you know...

This is about respecting other people's decisions to keep their work for themselves. Look, If I made a clay model in real life, then glazed it and used it as a display, you wouldn't go take it from my house to "use" for your own purposes, regardless if I'm part of the clay modeling community or not!

 

Second of all, its amoral - if you just blatantly use other people's work without their permission, noone will want to make anything anymore since it'll just get stolen.