Re: War with China, N. Korea, and Russia Imminent?

[Mikan Cyclone]

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/world/20070503TDY01004.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/26/wputin126.xml

 

More links are out there everywhere. 

 

The U.S. is doing all sorts of rash things of course, but these kinda take the cake.  We've never had very good relations with these countries, but now, in the name of defense, we're preparing for something, along with our allies.  Does this mean we're all gonna die soon?

[Emperor_Cheeseman]

we won't go to war with  Russia or China, maybe N.Korea, but not Russia or China, Russia's economy is to weak at the moment due to government issues, they can't afford a military. and China is way to close to the US in Economy, going to war with them would ruin our economy and their economy, it would end up being a lose for both sides, we are to dependent on each other. N.Korea isn't much of a threat, it would be a short war, the people are to starved and would revolt at the start of a war, so I am not worried at all about those 3 countries, I am personally worried about Iran, we have a much better chance at war with Iran then any of those other countries

[Mikan Cyclone]

I'm worried about Russia declaring on us.  Ever since we moved those damn missiles and radars up to Czech and Poland, they've been freaking out.  I really think we moved them there to A.) intercept enemy missiles if Europe is attacked and/or B.) possibly attack China or Korea, if they were long range missiles.  That I doubt, but still, this isn't turning into a pretty situation.

[Emperor_Cheeseman]

Russia won't attack, they are way to economically dependent on America and America's allies, Russia has a very unstable economy, the peasants wouldn't put up with a war, they are still trying to regain an economy after the cold war/USSR, Russia isn't a threat, China isn't either, they also rely to heavily on our Economy, now a days economy plays a huge part in war, Korea will probably eventually go to war with us, but it will be a short war with relatively few deaths, like I already said, the starving citizens will finally see the madness of their leaders and revolt, N. Korea has no chance in a war, there economy would crumble apart even more then it already has.

[Mythyk]

I think that George W. Bush should be impeached, NOW.  I fear that the man wants to go out of office with a bang.  He has a sadistic aura beneath that chimp-like smile...

[MSEagle2]

mythyk...you have no idea how democracy works...

 

only congress can approve a war.....

 

not to mention with that kinda attitude....your just asking for some one to take you off the net....(not me....just saying...)

[Dr. Nick]

But in cases of emergency, the commander in chief can do whatever he wants

[Emperor_Cheeseman]

well I support Pres. Bush, he is a good pres, he knows what he is doing and this country in being lead better then anyone else could do it

[Guest]

except for the whole war, he's really not that bad  :

[Emperor_Cheeseman]

The war was a good Idea, I support the war effort entirely, just because we didn't find any WMD's doesn't mean that it was pointless, we have done loads for the iraqi people

 

* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations.

* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.

* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of the weapons stored there so education can occur.

* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded from ships faster.

* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.

* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq.

* The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war.

* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to 35% before the war.

* Elections are taking place in every major city, and city councils are in place.

* Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.

* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.

* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.

* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US soldiers.

* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.

* Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs.

* An interim constitution has been signed.

* Girls are allowed to attend school.

* Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years.

 

Don't believe for one second that these people do not want us there. I have met many, many people from Iraq that want us there, and in a bad way. They say they will never see the freedoms we talk about but they hope their children will. We are doing a good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone, anywhere to dispute me on these facts

 

 

Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...

 

.. the first battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty.

 

.. over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow citizens.

 

.. nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.

 

.. the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.

 

.. on Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518 megawatts - exceeding the prewar average.

 

.. all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open, as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.

 

.. by October 1, Coalition forces had rehab-ed over 1,500 schools - 500 more than scheduled.

 

.. teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.

 

.. all 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.

 

.. doctors salaries are at least eight times what they were under Saddam.

 

.. pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700 tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.

 

.. the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccination doses to Iraq's children.

 

.. a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's 27,000 kilometers of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women.

 

.. we have restored over three-quarters of prewar telephone services and over two-thirds of the potable water production.

 

.. there are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect 50,000 by year-end.

 

.. the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite dishes to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities and towns.

 

.. 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time customers are opening accounts daily.

 

.. Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.

 

.. the central bank is fully independent.

 

.. Iraq has one of the worlds most growth-oriented investment and banking laws.

 

.. Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years.

 

.. satellite TV dishes are legal.

 

.. foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for minders and other government spies.

 

.. there is no Ministry of Information.

 

.. there are more than 170 newspapers.

 

.. you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street corner.

 

.. foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.

 

.. a nation that had not one single element - legislative, judicial or executive - of a representative government, now does.

 

... in Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils. Baghdad's first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city council elected its new chairman.

 

.. today in Iraq chambers of commerce, business, school and professional organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.

 

.. 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body in Iraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government.

 

.. the Iraqi government regularly participates in international events. Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two dozen international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly, the Arab League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference Summit. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening over 30 Iraqi embassies around the world.

 

.. Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.

 

.. for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.

 

.. the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq.

 

.. Uday and Queasy are dead - and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis to the zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force cooperation, torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering critics.

 

.. children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents disagree with the government.

 

.. political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed, maimed, or are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.

 

.. millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual terror.

 

.. Saudis will hold municipal elections.

 

.. Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.

 

.. Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.

 

.. the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an Iranian — a Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for democracy and for peace.

 

.. Saddam is gone.

 

.. Iraq is free.

 

.. President Bush has not faltered or failed.

 

.. Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the Press corps that prides itself on bring you all the news that's important.

 

Iraq under US lead control has come further in six months than Germany did in seven years or Japan did in nine years following WWII. Military deaths from fanatic Nazi's, and Japanese numbered in the thousands and continued for over three years after WWII victory was declared.

 

It took the US over four months to clear away the twin tower debris, let alone attempt to build something else in its place.

 

Now, take into account that almost every Democrat leader in the House and Senate has fought President Bush on every aspect of his handling of this country's war and the post-war reconstruction; and that they continue to claim on a daily basis on national TV that this conflict has been a failure.

 

Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of our sons and daughters in this conflict, do you think anyone else in the world could have accomplished as much as the United States and the Bush administration in so short a period of time?

 

The media hides all this from us, why? because the Bush hating and democratic party would rather see the world go to hell then lose their power

 

The war in Iraq is a success, don't believe the useless media

[MSEagle2]

what he said...

 

(good find btw)

[Dr. Nick]

The media hides all this from us, why? because the Bush hating and democratic party would rather see the world go to hell then lose their power

 

Conservatives are saints I'm sure  :

[Guest]

the iraqis like dictator ship, they don'y know anything other than dictatorships, they are all crazy over there. The only real reason there is still a war going on is because we need oil. and they have oil

[MSEagle2]

the iraqis like dictator ship, they don'y know anything other than dictatorships, they are all crazy over there. The only real reason there is still a war going on is because we need oil. and they have oil

 

wtf.....

 

i see no proof...i see no statement that says we are there for oil....i dont see a statement from every single iraqi saying they loved saddam...and dicatorship...

[Lord_of_the_Sith]

I would like to see comunists wiped out of the world once and for all.

[Mikan Cyclone]

I would like to see people more tolerant of other people.  That includes the last three people who have posted in this thread.

 

Opinions are opinions.  There are many facts to say that the war has helped and many to say the war has hurt.  I don't have enough time to go through every single pro or con, nor do I want to.  I personally think we need to GTFO out of Iraq and stop feeding our national monkey bananas.  However, this is my opinion, and I don't mean to say it's right.  It's just what I believe is right.  It's probably not gonna change.

 

Can we get back on topic? I don't care if we do or don't, but whatever.

[Guest]

the middle east was fine until WWI was over. Before that it was all just the ottoman empire. And they were relatively fine. Then we broke em up and then doomed the world.

 

I know a family that has a son in the military in Iraq. At first he was all patriotic and supported bush and the war. After a year or so he wrote a letter back home. He said that those Iraqis are just plain nuts. There will never be peace again the only reason we are here is for the oil.

[Mikan Cyclone]

We think what is happening is good for them.  And for a country, it is.  Only problem is, you just have to take into account the fact that they have lived under dictators for centuries.  They've based their culture around that, and that means that we're forcibly trying to change that.  I'm not saying it's bad, just that it is probably against some of the peoples culture. 

 

We hear conflicting reports about whether they like us or not.  So, I don't care, I jsut believe we ned to find some way to end it.  With a sect of a religion out against us, it's not going to be easy, of course, no matter how small it is.

[Controller]

They've based their culture around that, and that means that we're forcibly trying to change that.

i thought the idea of democracy was to chose your government, forcibly changing that government because we don't like it isn't democracy. if the people want a dictator-ship(and I'm not saying they do) let them have one.

[Mikan Cyclone]

i thought the idea of democracy was to chose your government, forcibly changing that government because we don't like it isn't democracy. if the people want a dictator-ship(and I'm not saying they do) let them have one.

 

The "Idea" of democracy is that the people run the government.  The Modern Reality of Democracy is that the people have to rely on other idiots to represent them, who could petition their case or not.  But I agree, It's not up to us to decide what to do with their country.  We don't "own" Iraq, it's not our territory, it's not our state.  Anyway, I'm ranting now, and Cheeseman or MSEagle is going to try to come up and disprove me really fast here so bleh. 

[Lord_of_the_Sith]

Mikan I confirm what I said in my last post.

I hate comunists. I don't see any problem in saying this. They are nastiest than Nazis.

[swgbex]

mythyk...you have no idea how democracy works...

 

only congress can approve a war.....

 

not to mention with that kinda attitude....your just asking for some one to take you off the net....(not me....just saying...)

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Unfortunately wars have been declared without congressional approval.. Through tradition.. *its been done before.. why should I give up that power?* tradtion historically has had some strong binding.. *kinda like the state of the union adress.. .. yay tradition*

 

Either way.. you dont need to declare war.. move your troops to a place where you know the enemy will attack.. then just fight back.. *eventually you need to declare war.. but its easier to get support when you were the one attacked*

Techinically.. only congress can..

In reality.. uhm. yeah.. not soo much

 

Lucklyly *wth spelling?!?!* delcaring war is one thing, budgets and all that other good stuff is still under congressional controll..

 

The war was a good Idea, I support the war effort entirely, just because we didn't find any WMD's doesn't mean that it was pointless, we have done loads for the iraqi people

yeah you are right.. it wasnt pointless.. many people do indeed love their new freedoms.. and there is some progress being made there.. *although it seems to be falling appart lately a bit*

 

Now bush needs to start protecting us from terrorism by hunting them down.... Wait .. hold on... we cant forget about iraq..

 

we won't go to war with  Russia or China, maybe N.Korea, but not Russia or China, Russia's economy is to weak at the moment due to government issues, they can't afford a military. and China is way to close to the US in Economy, going to war with them would ruin our economy and their economy, it would end up being a lose for both sides, we are to dependent on each other. N.Korea isn't much of a threat, it would be a short war, the people are to starved and would revolt at the start of a war, so I am not worried at all about those 3 countries, I am personally worried about Iran, we have a much better chance at war with Iran then any of those other countries

I do tend to agree with you there quite a bit.. however Russia still holds TONS of nukes.. they may not have to wage a direct war..

Iran.. tossup... although its not looking pretty

 

N.Korea isnt as much of a treat now that China is backing down as their ally so to speak.. * big guy protecting a midget with a big mouth.. you gotta draw the line somewhere and say .. kid you are on your own*

 

 

Oh btw.. hi =D

[Relentless]

I will have to disagree with Cheese's both points.

 

First, Russia is not economically dependent of the US. The US is more dependent of other countries than Russia, Russia has tons of natural resources. They have dramatically increased their military spending and will be a powerful enemy/ally military-wise, perhaps as early as the next decade.

 

The war on Iraq was the worst thing that ever happened to Iraq and an unbelievable waste of money for the US. Iraq has turned into a frenzied deathzone, with the two different muslim groups killing each other night and day. How is that good for anyone?

[Guest]

you know what the US should do?

 

buy the ukraine

 

russia could use the money, and the US could use the natural resources

[Lord_of_the_Sith]

Russia economy and people have been devastated by 50 years of comunists dictature, the worst in the universe.

China must be stopped. They are polluting the world more then USA and India.

The sell fake products and mantain their people, especially the workers, in a condition of slavery. They are enslave their own people.

N.Corea, is nothing more than a small china. So the same fate should be garantuee.