Re: KOTOR 3 (rumours)

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

Next you come upon another student, an older padawan around your age (perhaps 18?) of the Rodian species. The Rodian is working at a datapad. He asks you for assistance. Again, this is mandatory. Since your character is fluent in Huttese as  well as basic, you can understand him, and your name will appear as text in the conversation.

 

 

Erm Rodians speak Rodian...

 

but great idea. Hope something like that gets included.

[Logan Felipe]

but great idea. Hope something like that gets included.

Thanks.

Erm Rodians speak Rodian...

Oh.

 

But the idea being that the jedi you speak to speaks huttese.

I was thinking that your main character should have to rely on others for translation. IOW, Your Party Leader can only speak, say, Huttese and Basic or something. This would prove more realistic, given that not everyone in the Star Wars Galaxy knows every language. That'd be like someone on Earth knowing every language on Earth!

This would mean that you'd need HK-47 early on in the game (and NOT deactivated this time please). When he or other characters who speak more languages than just basic are not present in your party (Its actually quite hard to assemble a party without any characters that speak more than one language)

 

What species other than Hutts speak Huttese?

I know many Dugs speak Huttese...

Perhaps Duros? I think they speak Huttese in KOTOR and KOTOR II.

Either that, or "moo-lee-Ra" (pronuncuation) is a universal word in the KOTOR series. I think I remember a Rakata say "moo-lee-Ra", come to think of it.

 

An idea: A Dug Jedi in your party?

[Empireftw]

Did any one listen to my post at all? it would be game breaking to have revan or the exile in your party if you had bolth well it would be more of a movie then a game.

[Nevets]

Did any one listen to my post at all? it would be game breaking to have revan or the exile in your party if you had bolth well it would be more of a movie then a game.

 

who says they would need to be in the party at the beginning? the first half of the game could be searching for them. Following clues.... then the second half, or even just the climax could be just a huge sith vs jedi battle.

[Logan Felipe]

Did any one listen to my post at all? it would be game breaking to have revan or the exile in your party if you had bolth well it would be more of a movie then a game.

 

That statement doesn't make sense...

 

Have you played KOTOR II? They are SUPPOSED TO BE in the game.

 

KOTOR III is supposed to be about the fate of the Jedi and the Republic; the Great and Terrible War, and the final emergence of the True Lord of the Sith. This true lord of the Sith's apprentice will end up being the first in a line of new sith; the "rule of two" comes into play. This line of new sith will lead to Darth Plageous and Darth Sidious 4000 years later, from master to apprentice.

 

Kreia says that Revan has gone to fight the Darkness in the shadows, and tells the Exile to go as well. KOTOR III should be about the True Lord of the Sith emerging from the shadows. Revan and the Exile follow him/her out of the shadows.

 

KOTOR III SHOULD be like Darth Krayt's rise to power in the Legacy era.

 

"We manufactured a cause for war, making the Vong seem responsible. Split, the Galactic Alliance began to fight itself. And so died."

—Darth Krayt

 

KOTOR III should resemble the Rise of Darth Krayt; The Republic is exhausted, and the True Sith has come to take his throne; the Mandalorian War having weakened the Mandalorians and the Republic.

 

And I rather like games that unfold like movies; with an interesting storyline, etc.

That's what KOTOR is about. Unless I'm misinterpreting your grammer, I don't know why you would think that's a bad thing.

Some of the best games feel like movies when played.

 

If the alternate endings and KOTOR II not seen the Deaths of Jolee, Mission, Juhani, and Zaalbar, then I would say they along with Revan should have been in. Wildcat's right about SW not introducing too many new characters. the only character added in the main group of Rebel characters was Lando. KOTOR II brought in way too many. But KOTOR II is already made now; to change it 180 degrees would be gameplay suicide.

 

Anyway, the point is this; Bastila and Carth must be in.

 

After the Battle of Telos in KOTOR II, some guy tells you that someone wants to talk to you. It turns out that Carth and Bastila have requested to speak with you.

 

They ask you if you've seen Revan. They tell you that if you find Revan, you should contact them. The point being that they will rejoin the party with the return of Revan.

 

Revan and the Exile will not break the game.

 

who says they would need to be in the party at the beginning? the first half of the game could be searching for them. Following clues.... then the second half, or even just the climax could be just a huge sith vs jedi battle.

 

Exactly. you have to find them as you fight the sith; sort of like KOTOR II's plot, but much better. Though I think the Exile should be in early, like in my fan-fic.

[Empireftw]

I'm talking from a game perspective the devs don't want you to start out with Omfg pwning characters they want you to progress through the story while gaining levels slowly.

 

Now if we put them in with some type of memory loss well actually i think it would kill quite a few KOTOR as that has been over used way to much.

 

Now lets say it was the last Battle stage and you are already near level 50 i wouldn't have a problem with them joining your group as long as they were wearing complete armor with nothing showing.

 

Also like i said thier are different ways to tell a story sure revan and the exile could be fighting them but maybe you are doing so on a different front, you would still see the outcome but it wouldnt have them in your party, it would save LA alot of time and alot of dissapointed fans.

[Logan Felipe]

I'm talking from a game perspective the devs don't want you to start out with Omfg pwning characters they want you to progress through the story while gaining levels slowly.

 

Now if we put them in with some type of memory loss well actually i think it would kill quite a few KOTOR as that has been over used way to much.

 

Now lets say it was the last Battle stage and you are already near level 50 i wouldn't have a problem with them joining your group as long as they were wearing complete armor with nothing showing.

 

Also like i said thier are different ways to tell a story sure revan and the exile could be fighting them but maybe you are doing so on a different front, you would still see the outcome but it wouldnt have them in your party, it would save LA alot of time and alot of dissapointed fans.

 

I think people wouldn't care what level they are as long as they're in. Who cares if their only level 6? It would take away the fun if you made them level 50.

 

And as to your comment about full armor, what did you think of my suggestion on how the player can choose what Revan and the Exile looked like?

Light side Revan wouldn't be wearing it anyway.

 

Fans would be disappointed if they didn't get a chance to have characters from all three games interacting with each other.

Its not our problem that Obsidian backed itself into a dead end. Now they should have to solve this the hard way by listening to fan suggestions.

 

Personally, I'm not even thinking of buying it until I know if its ruined or not.

If they fudge the story line and take it on a completely different tangent, I'm not buying it. WHO'S WITH ME? >

 

I think they should drop the max level down to either 20 or 25. 50 is too high. When I played the game, I found myself spending way too much time on levelling up with the Hssiss Dragon Glitch instead of enjoying the game. Glitches are the anti-fun factor.

[Controller]

KOTOR III is supposed to be about the fate of the Jedi and the Republic; the Great and Terrible War, and the final emergence of the True Lord of the Sith. This true lord of the Sith's apprentice will end up being the first in a line of new sith; the "rule of two" comes into play. This line of new sith will lead to Darth Plageous and Darth Sidious 4000 years later, from master to apprentice.

unless you plan to have a sith live over a 1000 years then this makes no sense. Darth Bane(i think it was Darth Bane) thought of this rule over a 1000 years after KotoR

 

If they fudge the story line and take it on a completely different tangent, I'm not buying it. WHO'S WITH ME? Angry

the problem with this is that even id say 300 people didn't buy it because they messed up the story line. that still leaves the million's of star wars fanboys who will buy it because it has star wars on the box. (hell i be they would pay $60+ for a game of pong that is called star wars pong - even if it has nothing to do with star wars other then the title)

 

As for the Revan and the exile in your party goes. It should be something you get near the end. maybe make it the main quest of the game to hunt down clues on their location, as Nevets said.  as long as you could chose what they look like then I'm fine with them being in

[Logan Felipe]

unless you plan to have a sith live over a 1000 years then this makes no sense. Darth Bane(i think it was Darth Bane) thought of this rule over a 1000 years after KotoR

 

I forgot about that...

But the point is that something significant needs to come about at the end. Something that ties in with the rest of the saga in a big way.

Edited November 27, 2006 by Logan Felipe

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

thats true they do need something that ties it to the saga.

[Empireftw]

I agree but you seem to only care about revan and the exile being in your party its not going to happen(but then again la does have a way of giving the majority what teh want *cough* SWG *cough*)

 

I realy dont want a lame plot like omg they all teh sudden lost thier memorys, it would be lame and kill the story maybe you dont care but thier are a ton i mean a ton of people who do just go to lucasforums and you will see.

[Controller]

i agree with you that the exile and revan losing there memory would be a really really crap story line.

 

but there are plenty of ways to have them in your party without that happening. make finding them the main quest or only getting them near/at the end for the finally show down.

 

as for tieing KotoR into the rest of the saga they did that a bit in KotoR I with in happening only 50 years after the Great Sith War(the one with Exar Kun) and some people in the game would speak of the war. but you would need something bigger then that for KotoR III(especially since they didn't do it in KotoR II at all)

[Logan Felipe]

I agree but you seem to only care about revan and the exile being in your party its not going to happen(but then again la does have a way of giving the majority what teh want *cough* SWG *cough*)

 

I realy dont want a lame plot like omg they all teh sudden lost thier memorys, it would be lame and kill the story maybe you dont care but thier are a ton i mean a ton of people who do just go to lucasforums and you will see.

 

Again, as both I have and AT-AT Controller have said; the memory loss is dreadful; and including Revan and the Exile DOES NOT REQUIRE MEMORY LOSS.

And I care about Revan and Exile being in your party because it FOLLOWS CONTINUITY.

 

Play the battle with Darth Traya again; and listen closely when you ask her about the future.

 

She mentions that the Republic will fall, but that it will be a long fall (most likely referring to The Rise of Palpatine's Galactic Empire).

She mentions that eventually, all that will remain of the Mandolorian customs and lifestyle will be the shell of a man in the shell of his armor (This is either referring to Boba Fett or Canderous; more likely Fett given that he is a mercenary, and that Canderous despises that life and is more likely to hold onto Mandolorian traditions than Fett.)

And she refers to a "Great War" that will occur in the near future. She tells you to follow Revan into the Shadows in the Unknown Regions, to fight the impending darkness, and that you and Revan will one day fight in this "Great War that is to come".

When you ask about Bao-Dur and the Droids, she tells you their fates are uncertain, and not yet decided. On the other hand, she tells you how Mira will die (defending a planet somewhere; at least for Light side variant), that the Disciple will have a seat on the Jedi Council, that Atton "will always remain a fool". I don't remember what Visas' future was...

 

Therefore, it would be tossing out a lot of potential story and gaming prospects to simply discard Revan and the Exile from your party.

Think about it; wouldn't it be even MORE frustrating if LA/Obsidian/Bioware/whoever makes it simply says "Oh, I want this to happen to Revan, completely contradicting any options the player may have chosen in the past - and then I'll call it canon! Muah ha ha ha ha!"

 

BTW; 2953 Total Signatures so far on the petition for Bioware and Lucasarts to work on KOTOR III together!

(the link's in my sig)

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

Again, as both I have and AT-AT Controller have said; the memory loss is dreadful; and including Revan and the Exile DOES NOT REQUIRE MEMORY LOSS.

And I care about Revan and Exile being in your party because it FOLLOWS CONTINUITY.

 

Play the battle with Darth Traya again; and listen closely when you ask her about the future.

 

She mentions that the Republic will fall, but that it will be a long fall (most likely referring to The Rise of Palpatine's Galactic Empire).

She mentions that eventually, all that will remain of the Mandolorian customs and lifestyle will be the shell of a man in the shell of his armor (This is either referring to Boba Fett or Canderous; more likely Fett given that he is a mercenary, and that Canderous despises that life and is more likely to hold onto Mandolorian traditions than Fett.)

And she refers to a "Great War" that will occur in the near future. She tells you to follow Revan into the Shadows in the Unknown Regions, to fight the impending darkness, and that you and Revan will one day fight in this "Great War that is to come".

When you ask about Bao-Dur and the Droids, she tells you their fates are uncertain, and not yet decided. On the other hand, she tells you how Mira will die (defending a planet somewhere; at least for Light side variant), that the Disciple will have a seat on the Jedi Council, that Atton "will always remain a fool". I don't remember what Visas' future was...

 

Therefore, it would be tossing out a lot of potential story and gaming prospects to simply discard Revan and the Exile from your party.

Think about it; wouldn't it be even MORE frustrating if LA/Obsidian/Bioware/whoever makes it simply says "Oh, I want this to happen to Revan, completely contradicting any options the player may have chosen in the past - and then I'll call it canon! Muah ha ha ha ha!"

 

BTW; 2953 Total Signatures so far on the petition for Bioware and Lucasarts to work on KOTOR III together!

(the link's in my sig)

 

Good about the Petition but it would need millions before LA even Consider it...

 

but i agree with you again for continuity they need Revan and the Exile in the Story at some point. i'm going to have to play the light side variant of the KOTOR 2 ending again when i get home (at School at the moment.) it would be completely frustrating if they decided to forget everything that Obsidian set up in KOTOR 2 for a storyline. but i have to admit that when you said she was refering to Boba Fett with the Mandalorian line. It can't be as if you read the Unifying Force and then the Legacy Trilogy books Boba Fett re-establishs the Mandalorian traditions. And in KOTOR 2 one of the side missions is to Regroup the Mandalorian Clans under Canderous who became Mandalore after recoving MAndalore's Armour from the the Location of the final Battle in the Mandalore Wars.

[Controller]

yes but for a very long time he was one of the only if not the only Mandalorian left. anyway to quote Beviin(one of the Mandalorians that fought with Boba Fett -now Mandalor - In the YV war). "No heir, no clan, no sense of duty, Your not Mandalorian. You just wear the armor." this would justify the quote "shell of a man in the shell of his armor "

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

well that makes sense and Mandalore has an E on the end of it. 

 

but yeah. the Mandalorians return in a right of glory next to the Galactic Alliance.

[Logan Felipe]

I just had another idea:

 

What if Casus Fett (mentioned in an armor description in KOTOR I) was included somehow?

He disappeared, and was presumed dead...now he's out for the bounty on your head (Revan, the Exile, etc.)

He (or she?) wouldn't be a main villain, but it would still be a nice tie in (but still not important enough to seal  the matter of finding a powerful tie-in to end the series).

[Empireftw]

I agree the exile and revan need to be in teh story i have not said anything about that, but in your party it would ruin it and most people do not want to have to deal with 3 characters trying to level up just because they want them to be special. NOw im not saying anyhting about you cant choose what revan or the exile are like its just most likely they wont be in your party it will probbaly be like the battle of yavin 4 you would be in one of those fighters you just wouldnt be in lukes.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

It's a good idea not having them in your party as it then gives them 2 spaces to fill with new Characters...

 

Random just thought of idea why not have you as a Padawan assigned by the Jedi Council to find them and your support is like Bastila, and Carth teamed with Juhani? then you find the Ebon Hawk and then that takes you along the Locked NaviComputers course... this or something like what

[Logan Felipe]

It's a good idea not having them in your party as it then gives them 2 spaces to fill with new Characters...

 

Random just thought of idea why not have you as a Padawan assigned by the Jedi Council to find them and your support is like Bastila, and Carth teamed with Juhani? then you find the Ebon Hawk and then that takes you along the Locked NaviComputers course... this or something like what

 

Juhani would have to be replaced if Revan went Dark side.

If you join Bastila on Rakata Prime in KOTOR, you have to kill Juhani, Jolee, Zaalbar, and Mission.

 

One more thing; someone mentioned that KOTOR III should accept new models.

KOTOR could already do that; I saw a screenshot of Revan wearing full clone trooper armor. Apparently it was a mod.

 

…unless it was a bonus item from the Yavin IV space station in the PC version (which I do not have)?

 

Allright, perhaps Revan and the Exile could be like the Jedi Masters in KOTOR II; very involved but not in your party.

 

It would still be nice to have them as party members at some point, though.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

yeah thats true...

 

i think that the idea about Revan and the disciple is a good idea. and its not absolutely nessecary for them to be in your party as much as we would like them to be.

[Controller]

…unless it was a bonus item from the Yavin IV space station in the PC version (which I do not have)?

while i dont have the PC version my brother has xbox live so we have it on the xbox, and you get some new armour, but its not the powerful, some new mines and weapons, there was also to new lightsaber colours light blue and orange. no clone armor

[Empireftw]

Hmm yeah juhani would have to be replaced but with the Driods, i thought of an idea the story could have a big split point at it were you would have a choice to folow carth and help the republic or to follow bastila and try to find revan it sounds pretty cool, plus we might get mandolore i think 4 returning characters are enough dont you think?

 

I say this because i would want to see more new npcs, also note that these characters might look quite a bit different from age and probbaly because of a new grafics engine.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

i agree that 4 returning characters is enough. but i think the idea of a split is a bad one because with the split you need 2 different senario's and it would depend on where the split is. i mean yeah there are split storylines on the other two but they are just discussion changes and minor do you battle or learn from changes. a story split would require its own storyline so not such a good idea. however, if it was to decide which planet you meet Revan on and who finds who maybe...

i don't know. what do you guys think i'm just the moderator here. Laugh Out Loud.(lol) ROFL!

[Empireftw]

It would be a minor story line split it would In theory just decide what planet you went to next type of thing if you went with carth you would complete the planet and have to rescue bastila and vice versa.