Re: KOTOR 3 (rumours)

I emailed Feargus Urquhart the other day. This is what I said...

Hi

I'm not entirely sure if this is the right place to ask this question so I apologize if it's not, however; regarding this piece of dialogue (cut-content)...

Mandalore: "You sound like Revan, at the end. Do you know what she told me, as I lay dying on the outer rim? That the Mandalorian Wars were our doom. That we had been deceived, that it had never been our decision to wage war on the Republic. Revan said the Mandalorians didn't invade the Republic's space because it was our choice. We were tricked; our entire people sacrificed as pawns, and never knew it! She said there was a war coming, that it was waiting in the unknown regions, in the dark, waiting for us to destroy each other."

Visas: "A war? This war?"

Mandalore: "No, not this one. Another one, more terrible, against an evil we couldn't begin to comprehend. A war of belief that had been fought for thousands of years. Revan went off to fight it..."

Visas: "... and left you here."

Mandalore: "Revan was one of the greatest military leaders in the galaxy. In history. She had no use for a people who had already been beaten once. She said the time of the Mandalorians was over. The Mandalorian wars had killed us. And she laughed."

Visas: "And that is what burns in your heart, and that is why clan Ordo was reborn; to prove Revan wrong."

Mandalore, "No, not Revan."

If you folks at Obsidian were given the go-ahead to make KotOR III (which I hope you do, because KotOR II absolutely ruled and was way better than KotOR IMO), would you elaborate on this piece of dialogue or not? In other words, would KotOR III be a 'trilogy wrapper upper' game or would it pick up in an entirely new timeline if you folks were making the game? What would you do if you folks were making the game? I'm no professional, but my piece of friendly advice (from a marketing perspective) would be to wrap up the cliffhanger ending of KotOR II in KotOR III if you folks get to make the game (if it ever gets made that is). Thank you for your attention...

Regards

The Architect

Feargus replied to me saying...

Hi,

I'll forward this to Chris Avellone who is one of the other owners of Obsidian and was also the Lead Designer on KotOR II. As for whether KotOR III is going to get done and will it be done by us - I don't really have any good or bad information. I can tell you we are not working on it as of right now and we are not in talks with LucasArts to do it. LucasArts may have another developer working on it, but equally possible, they may not. To get more information, you might want to contact them. Oh, and we would jump at the chance to do it and believe it would be an amazing product to work on.

Lastly, thanks for your thoughts on KotOR II - those are always appreciated.

Sincerely,

Feargus Urquhart
CEO
Obsidian Entertainment, Inc.

To put it simply, Obsidian are not working on KotOR III at the moment...

I SEE A FEW KEYWORDS IN THAT E-MAIL!!!

At the end he said "To put it simply, Obsidian are not working on KotOR III at the moment..."

key word:

AT THE MOMENT

Quote from beginning from cut Mandalore dialouge:

""You sound like Revan, at the end. Do you know what she told me, as I lay dying on the outer rim? That the Mandalorian Wars were our doom. That we had been deceived, that it had never been our decision to wage war on the Republic."

Mandalore said she...

Edited November 8, 2006 by Jedi Master Tofu

Controller · November 8, 2006

the she part means nothing. that just means whoever played Kotor I said revan was a female. but things do look hopeful for a KotoR III

Grand Admiral Thrawn 889 · November 8, 2006

hang on ATAT Controller... it never solidly askes about that and the fact that revan could have been on the Dark side. which would mean that that sort of story line would be nonexzistent i still want to know what would happen to the Exile. as a storyline maybe you could be the exile going to look for Revan and this unknown force.

Logan Felipe · November 8, 2006

Someone confirmed that revan is male. The poster just selected that revan is female in the discussion with atton.

Controller · November 8, 2006

yeah. what i hope KotoR III is you get both revan and the exile(they really need name for him) when they go hunting for the sith empire

Jedi Master Tofu · November 9, 2006

The name for the exile is your name, it's part of the creativity in the game. He/she isn't assigned a name for that reason. Same goes with revan, you never actually hear his/her real name.

Controller · November 9, 2006

yes but revan is his real name, you can just rename him for when he loses his memory, exile is not not a name. why cant they just have a name that is canon or something...

Nevets · November 9, 2006

To bad, since KOTOR would be changing platforms you ont be able to open your games from KOTOR I and KOTOR 2 in KOTOR 3 so you could continue yout story line.

I was really hoping they would have done this with KOTOR 2 with KOTOR I.

Controller · November 9, 2006

were did you hear it was changing platforms?

i think it will most likely be on PC and xbox360... oh wait that is a platform change isnt it

Jedi Master Tofu · November 9, 2006

I'd like activision to work on it, but KotOR isn't their thing... :-\

Grand Admiral Thrawn 889 · November 14, 2006

ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!! ACTIVISION!!

ARE YOU INSANE! Blasphemer!

LUCASARTS and BIOWARE ALL THE WAY!!!

Jedi Master Tofu · November 15, 2006

1. BioWare

2. Activision

I should have said that in the first place...

Grand Admiral Thrawn 889 · November 17, 2006

yes you should have but back on topic...

What sort of storyline would you like in KOTOR3? and we need to suggest a name...

Empireftw · November 18, 2006

Knights of the Old Republic: all your bases are belong to us (joke one)

Knights of the Old Republic: Rising Conflict (its probally a name for a game but that just sounded cool)

Knights of the Old Republic: Sith demise

Knights of the Old Republic: Jedi rising

Knights of the Old Republic: Republic reforming

Knights of the Old Republic: Revalation of the Force

Knights of the Old Republic: The Dark Times

Knights of the Old Republic: The Shifting Force

Knights of the Old Republic: Bang Gunships elite! (another joke)

Knights of the Old Republic: The Unknown rejoins

Knights of the Old Republic: Wheres revan? (another joke i keep thinking of this stuff maybe just funny to me )

Knights of the Old Republic: Unknown Forces (FOC gave me this idea)

Knights of the Old Republic: A George Lucas commentary()

Soldiers of the Old Republic:(just in case they change the name you never know)

Logan Felipe · November 19, 2006

The plot should focus on the "great war" Kreia/Traya mentioned in her visions of the future at the end of KOTOR II.

Revan and the Exile should be party members at some point in the game.

Canonically, Revan will be male and the Exile female.

voice for Revan should be the same as in KOTOR (If your character is male, he has a standard male voice for when he attempts tasks like slicing doors and planting mines. Sort of what JA did with Jaden's voice)

My idea (some specifics):

Text Crawl

Intro cutscene start

3 Sith Cruisers approach the planet Arborfrost. 2 of them split formation to secure other areas of the planet. One keeps its course straight ahead, deploying stih fighters and freighters. The fighters begin escorting the freighters to the planet’s surface.

(Screen wipe to Jedi Academy on the planet)

The camera rotates a few degrees around the academy. Trees resembling enormous white birches with Dark Brown Stripes can be seen in scattered clusters around the academy, and a large forest of the trees can be seen in the distance. The sounds of birds can be heard.

Camera fades out.

End intro cutscene

Load Academy map

You start out in a Jedi Academy. You are the 18 year old padawan of a left-handed Jedi weaponmaster/historian by the name of Vandros Artenon. Your quarters contain a workbench, a large window, a bed, and a Large locker (containing some credits, your lightsabre, 2 medpacs your padawan robes, a comlink, and perhaps some miniquest related items). You go through a quick beginner's tutorial. Instructions are given by Vandros via comlink. He tells you to meet him in a training room of the academy once you've learned all the functions of the game. You have a full map of the academy. On the way to meet Vandros, you have some mandatory discussions with other students. These discussions should serve to determine certain outcomes of historical events; there are no "wrong" answers to these questions, it'd be sort of like the Atton discussions from KOTOR II.

When you reach the meeting, Vandros (who's in his early forties, with dark brown hair and brown eyes) is waiting for you with his sister, Valdras (a few years older than Vandros, same color hair and eyes), and her apprentice (opposite gender of yourself). The apprentice is the same age as your self give or take a few months. You are to have a practice duel with the apprentice. Halfway through the battle, your opponent manages to knock your sabre (the color of which is determined by your jedi class) out of your hand.

You now have two choices:

L. forfeit the duel.

D. get angry with your opponent and continue attacking, this time turning up the power of the lightsabre from practice mode to full power, which can kill an opponent.

If you choose L, you are praised by Vandros for not giving in to your anger. The other apprentice admires your self control. you both receive light side points (up from grey).

If you choose D, you wound the other apprentice, and Vandros and Valdras knock the two of you away from each other with force push. Your lightsabre is taken away by Vandros, who is disappointed with your actions. The other apprentice develops a grudge towards you. you both receive dark side points (down from grey).

Suddenly, the roof of the large, circular chamber collapses in a fiery explosion. the debris separates you and the apprentice from the others.

If you chose L, you have two choices:

L1. Help the other padawan escape to the hangar

D1. Tell the other padawan to find his/her own way out.

If you chose D, you have two choices:

L2. Help the wounded padawan escape to the hangar.

D2. Tell the wounded padawan to find his/her own way out, leaving him/her to die with his/her injuries.

L1 and L2 grant lightside points to both you and the apprentice.

D1 and D2 grant Darkside points to both you and the apprentice.

You head for the Landing platform to rondevouz with Valdras and Vandros.

start cutscene

A cutscene plays involving some dark Jedi leading Sith troopers into the academy through the breached wall of the training room. Commanding them is a Dark Jedi, who is conveying orders from his master, the Sith Lord (Perhaps member of the Sith species or a Chistori, Desann's species?) who has orchestrated the Mandolorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War from behind the scenes. He and his apprentice have at last emerged from the shadows. They slaughter every jedi in the academy in search of Valdras and Vandros.

end cutscene

You find a footlocker containing two training vibroswords, 1 computer spike, 1 security spike, 5 antidotes, and 5 medpacks. There is also a stealth belt (collecting the contents of the footlocker initiates the stealth tutorial). You encounter a computer terminal and a locked door. the appropriate tutorials are available on the terminal. you can either unlock the door via the terminal, or by using security on the door. when you reach the landing pad, you are met by a dark jedi apprentice armed with a standard red lightsabre with a squad of 4 sith troopers armed with various blasters. They are guarding the hangar. The dark Jedi is pleased by the opportunity to fight you, as you are an apprentice; you will be much more of a challenge than the padawans he's already killed (If you chose L1 or L2, the other apprentice will assist you as a party member. If you chose D1 or D2, you will fight them alone, and there will be only two sith troopers accompanying the Dark Jedi).

start cutscene

Once you defeat the Dark Jedi, a squad of 6 HK-50 droids advance towards you. You are outnumbered, and Vandros and Valdras are nowhere in sight. You have no hope of defeating them. Suddenly, a very familiar freighter swoops down to the landing platform, it's laser turret blasting the squad of droids to scrap metal. The Ebon Hawk lands, dropping its boarding ramp.

end cutscene

Bao-Dur runs out to you and tells you to get onboard before more sith show up. You say something like "What about the other Jedi?"

His response will vary:

If you chose D1, Bao Dur wil tell you that your one of the only jedi left, and that they have the other survivor, Valdras' apprentice, whom they found at the secondary landing platform, on board. If you chose D2, he'll also say that she/he's receiving limited medical attention on board.

If you chose L1, he will tell you and Valdras' apprentice that you are the only surviving jedi in the temple. If you chose L2, he’ll also notice that Valdras’ apprentice is wounded, and tell him/her that the crew can supply him/her medical attention onboard.

Start cutscene

The Ebon Hawk lifts off from the landing pad and heads for open space. Smoke billows from the ruins of the jedi academy, and landed sith ships are visible.

(cut to The Sith Lord’s apprentice; who is still inside the academy)

A Dark Jedi urgently reports to The Sith Lord’s apprentice that a small freighter that was sighted entering the atmosphere during the battle is trying to leave the planet. A 7th HK-50 droid had arrived later than the other six, and had spotted you boarding the craft. After hearing this, the Sith Lord’s apprentice is furious. He force crushes the Dark Jedi, letting the corpse drop to the floor. He immediately orders the orbiting sith fleet to intercept the Ebon Hawk.

End cutscene

load Ebon Hawk map

start cutscene

(in space) The Ebon Hawk has just left the atmosphere. A sith Cruiser moves in to intercept the freighter, deploying its first wave of sith fighters. The fighters lock s-foils in attack positions and begin to tail the Ebon Hawk.

End cutscene

Bao-Dur tells the Exile (who is part of the crew) that they can’t jump to hyperspace because of the sith cruiser. The Exile decides to use the main turret to disable the Sith Cruiser’s scanners so that the Ebon Hawk can make her hyperspace jump. If they don’t, the sith willl be able to track the Ebon Hawk’s hyperspace coordinates to her destination.

Load “turret” map

Bao-Dur will fly the Ebon Hawk in a pattern around the cruiser. You are the Exile at the gun turret. Your job is to destroy the scanner system (which is located atop the Command Bridge) as well as any fighters that threaten the Ebon Hawk.

Once you complete this objective, the Ebon Hawk may enter hyperspace.

Start cutscene

The scanning center erupts into flame. The contents of the top bridge level are sucked into the vacuum of space. As the Ebon Hawk moves into position to make its hyperspace jump, sith fighters attempt to trail it. Just as the sith fighters are about to close in, the Ebon Hawk’s hyperdrive activates, en route to Ithor.

(Cut to the academy ruins landing platform)

Vandros and Valdras Artenon board their Republic starfighters and make their escape, leaving the atmosphere undetected. They plot courses for separate planets until they can safely contact the Republic.

(end of specific idea)

-create your own lightsabres (just like the last game, except that the parts are much easier to find. Each lightsabre you make should have a casing design that is detailed, rather than just a smooth cylinder. Just select a casing, which can be bought, found, or salvaged from defeated jedi or sith)

-Travel to planets such as Ithor, Sleheyron, Lok, Coruscant, Telos, Toydaria, Arborfrost and Onderon.

-will you and Valdras’ apprentice become friends and save the Republic, or become enemies and drive each other down the path of the dark side?

-Destroy the long awaited HK-50 droid factory.

-interact with old characters such as Bastila, Carth, Bao-Dur, HK-47, T3-M4, Revan, and the Exile, as well as new characters.

-meet new species like Bothans, Feeorians, Verpine, Barabels, Dugs, Gran, Mon Calamari, Chistori, Huk, Kaleesh, Kel Dor, Drall, and Chiss.

-Fight the Dark Lord of the Sith who has emerged from the shadows.

-Bring the Jedi Civil War to an end.

And More!

Well, what do you think of my ideas?

(feedback greatly appreciated)

Edited November 19, 2006 by Logan Felipe

Jedi Master Tofu · November 19, 2006

Hmmmmm, that sound really great. You defiantly need to start out as a Jedi...

Logan Felipe · November 19, 2006

Edit: I added a little bit to my idea that I forgot about.

One generic thing I'd like to add: since when do jedi wear makeup? (All the female character models that the main character can choose have heavy eye shadow on, and it looks really weird. :-\ )

I want to know what happens to Revan, Bastila, Jolee, Canderous, etc

I hate to say this, but...

Jolee, Juhani, Zaalbar, and Mission are probably dead.

In KOTOR if your playing dark side, you kill them.

In KOTOR II, regardless of alignment, the Disciple says that he is fascinated by the holocrons of the adventures of Jolee Bindo.

You don't read a holocron if the author is still alive because its better to talk to the author. That's why Bastila's mother only wanted Bastila's father's holocron after he died.

Therefore, Jolee has most likely died one way or another, despite your decisions in KOTOR. Unfortunate, considering that Jolee, Mission, and Zaalbar provided a lot of comic relief.

"Oh, I get it: let's play with the old man's head. 'he's half senile; he'll forget I said anything.' Wait; what were we talking about again?"

-Jolee

Edited November 19, 2006 by Logan Felipe

Controller · November 19, 2006

we have nothing to say that mission or zaalbar are alive or dead. through jolee was most likely killed in the jedi purge thing between 1 and 2

Empireftw · November 19, 2006

With caon no but still they are trying to keep it feeling like its your choice not the LA's choice.

Jedi Master Tofu · November 20, 2006

I hate to say it but your right Logan. Jolee along with the other 3 are dead anyway you think of it. Either Jolee died on Rakata prime or was killed later by some other thing...

Grand Admiral Thrawn 889 · November 20, 2006

starting as a Jedi is a must... KOTOR 2 was much more fun when you started gaining the Powers from the start.

Ok lets put together a catagory of likelyhood for known characters.

first up how many characters? my guess 9-12. so lets go with 9 as thats the number that they have in the other 2 games.

KOTOR 1

Zaalbaar = Missing (possible character)

Mission = Possible

Carth = General in the Republican Army

Bastila = possible

T3-M4 = definate he knows where Revan was last seen and could possible lead you and the Exile to him.

HK-47 - Definate for Combat ability alone as well as being a servant to Revan.

Canderous Ordo- i think that he could come in later but not as a playable character maybe as mandalore; a helpful character bringing an army with him.

Jolee Bindo - Dead

Juhani - Missing (possible)

KOTOR 2

Disciple = Definate Possibility

Handmaiden = not a character

Mira - Possible

Atton - possible

Kreia - dEad

Bao-Dur = Possible

Visa = possible

They're what i think on the possible character i don't really like the fact of using many of the KOTOR2 characters because the fact they are all jedi Characters.

What do you think?

Empireftw · November 20, 2006

Those are possibiltys but wer dont know how far in the future this is it could be another 5 or it could be 100.

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