Star Trek - Meets - Star Wars

[maxpublic]

Last I checked this is the mods forum, not the "I'm geekier than you are" forum.  If you're going to engage in yet another useless ST vs SW debate at least have the decency to move the thread someplace else, like "off-topic" or "my girlfriend is inflatable".

 

Max

[Zer_Teron]

SW uses lasers. Lasers wont penetrate the Enterprises hull (I think it was on the episode where the found Spock).

 

Star Trek ships are invurnerable to STAR TREK LASERs, Star Wars lasers are most likely completly different, not to mention much much higher powered.

 

But in cases like this Balance wins out over Reality so ST ships should be able to hurt a SW ship in this mod.

[PipfunatUT]

quick question, are there any ground units in star trek?

[MajorPayne]

Okay so a couple of things.

 

Firstly, those images I posted are of units that are featured in my Star Trek Armada 2 project, and secondly with regards to trek ground units. Yes and no. The only time we've ever seen proper ground combat is during the dominion war, and then they were only the equivelent of "foot soldiers". Thats why in many way Wars would always have the advantage over trek. Ground based combat is very poor for trek. Space, however, is a difficult to dictate. Until we actually see the ships face off against each other we'll never know. Speculation and assumption amount to nothing.

[Spirit1flyer]

there are going to be some basic units I will add

 

Feds: 

phaser armed men. cheap

Torpedo launcher armed men.  cost a lot

a armed sealed jeep of sorts with 3 phasers two mounted on the front and one on the roof

Borg: 

Drones

 

There might be troops from the other Star Trek Races but they will be under Fed flags

 

Thats the basic units I will have in it. I might add more but I don't know right now.

I am open for suggestions though

[OMEGA]

Omega, Stellar....I'm sorry to tell you this, and I don't want to start a debate, but...as you can see, the Empire is stronger than anything the pathetic Federation could pit up against it.

 

I hope I don't start a debate, but....well, there's the facts.  The empire will destroy the Federation in any scenario (except Federation ship vs. TIE)

 

Now I'm going to wash my mouth out with soap because I said Fedaration.  OH SNAPZ! I SAID IT AGAIN!

 

First of all, NOWHERE DID I SAY THAT THE FEDERATION COULD DEFEAT THE EMPIRE IN BATTLE. I was taking about the BORG. With advanced technology assimilated from races all accross the galaxy, ESPECIALLY the knowledge to adapt to and regenerate from a multiude weapons fire, it would take a massive pounding from any Imperial fleet to severely cripple JUST ONE Cube, in the same way it takes a massive pounding from a Federation fleet to do the same thing (First Contact).

 

FURTHERMORE, I suggest that we lay down the phasers and lightsabers, and discuss this like gentlemen to get the most fair and balanced result possible. I aslo ask each of you to keep an open mind, and not rule out any ST vs. SW scenario right away. There are so many factors to take into effect that an outcome will be VERY difficult to reach regardless of who's on what side. Our job is to make a BALANCED mod, not a one-sided Imperial slugfest against the Federation "wimps".

 

HERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE:

 

In my opinion, the Galactic Civil War should be put on hold, uniting the Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire's forces for the time being WITH the Federation, who have the technology needed to stop the Borg's conquest into the Star Wars galaxy. Although it would still be fun, this would make A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE than a massive Star Trek vs. Star Wars all-out slugfest. The Federation are not war machines like the Empire, but they do have the technology available to defeat the Borg, if ever so slightly. With the TEMPORARY Imperial/Rebel allaince's firepower complemented by the Federation's technology, they will have an outlet to finally drive the Borg out of BOTH galaxies.

 

Star Trek's Forces- the brains

Star Wars' Forces- the braun

The Borg- the seemingly unstoppable menace (believe me, these guys are tough!!)

The Battlefield- the Star Wars galaxy, ripe for worlds to assimilate

[Stellar_Magic]

One possibility would be to have Star Trek and Star Wars forces aligning on both sides.  The Federation and Rebel Alliance verses the Romulan Empire and Galactic Empire or something.

[Mikan Cyclone]

I'm not even going to say anything about that omega, on the grounds I may say something offensive.  Not that I would, but somethimes I get...eccentric.

 

I knew you were talking about the Borg, but I was too lazy to post the link to the whole Borg vs. Empire debate. 

 

Now I'm going to stop trying to prove how Star Wars is better before I start a flame war.

Edited March 28, 2006 by Mikan Cyclone

[MajorPayne]

Well for ground troops you could have (depending on how many races your willing to include for the trek side):

 

- Federation scout: Single or paired with extended LOS, and carrying an LRS-26A long range phaser compression rifle MK2.

- Federation standard infantry: Up to 12 individuals. Weapons can be type 1 hand phaser or type 2 compression rifle.

- Klingon warrior cast: Variable amount. Close combat/malee weapons (batleth etc.etc), and klingon pistol.

- Infiltration unit: Romulan Talshiar operative. (alternative could be dominion changeling)

- Heavy infantry: Dominion Jem Hadar soldier.

 

Ships:

 

- Scout shuttle.

- Miranda light destroyer (or possible Intrepid class cruiser)

- Ambassador Heavy cruiser (or possibly Excelsior refit)

- Nebula Class (multirole) Heavy Cruiser.

- Defiant Class destroyer.

- Akira Class Cruiser. Used as a fighter carrier.

- Typhon Class (not canon by trek standard but a dedicated fighter carrier).

- Galaxy Class (dominion war refit)

- Sovereign Class (command vessel)

 

Alternatively, or inclusive could be the Klingon Br'el class BOP, Romulan Warbird and Jem'Hadar Destroyer (bugship).

 

You could also have several types of fighter as you see fit. Your upgrades could be:

 

- Photon and quantum torpedos for specific ships.

- Phaser and pulse phaser for specific ships.

 

Hardpoints setups for ships would include the basic systems (life support, engines, shields, weapons, sensors), and boned destroyables (i.e those that could blown off), would include nacelles and chunks of the hull and saucer.

 

Well there you have it. My take on the whole idea.

 

Oh and Mike. Neither star wars or star trek is better than the other. They are both good in their own respects. Wars has always made the best in film ENTERTAINMENT and trek has capitalised on bring excellent series based ENTERTAINMENT. The sooner people get their heads back to reality and realise its just that, ENTERTAINMENT the sooner people will start living in the real world.

 

I'm personally waiting to see how lucas does with his live action tv series. Should be good to see how he does.

[Spirit1flyer]

thank you for this information I will be able to use it one way or another

 

spirit1flyer

[Stellar_Magic]

Why would the dominion be aligned with the Federation?

[OMEGA]

I'm not even going to say anything about that omega, on teh grounds I may say something offensive.  Not that I would, but somethimes I get...eccentric.

 

I knew you were talking about the Borg, but I was too lazy to post the link to the whole Borg vs. Empire debate. 

 

Now I'm going to stop trying to prove how Star Wars is better before I start a flame war.

 

Yes, I think it's that time too. In my opinion, it would be best for the community if the modders weren't all biast one way or another in this debocale. All I'm asking, is the we have a BALANCED mod where one side isn't just a giant punching bag.

 

What's so wrong with the Feds and the Empire/Rebels forming an alliance against the Borg?! When it's a fight for survival, anything goes!!

[Spirit1flyer]

Why would the dominion be aligned with the Federation?

 

the time line I am looking at is pre dominion wars so I was not planning on having them.

 

here read this from the mod site I have the mod registered with.

I might have my timeline messed up a little but I do not plan on having the dominion involved

 

 

 

Several Federation ships, starbases, along with some other races, and maybe even a planet or two, have suddenly been moved to the starwars Galaxy, Who could have done such a thing? maybe the Q

 

the time line for the Star Trek side will be a little after the Nemisis movie.

And for the starwars side, We will be pre-Vong or pre New Jedi Order. And thats just for the tech level. Not for the size of the empire or rebels. Nor will it be for their military might.

 

 

Edit: 

 

What's so wrong with the Feds and the Empire/Rebels forming an alliance against the Borg?! When it's a fight for survival, anything goes!!

 

nothing is wrong with the idea, its just not what the mod is

[Stellar_Magic]

When in doubt... blame Q  ;D

[popetorak]

Where the damn edit button......................

 

I had this debate too many times. Im not getting into it again.

 

 

Good luck on the mod. If you need some help, feel free to ask.

[PipfunatUT]

wow alot of passion out there...

 

very interesting sounding mod though... I would love to see it made!

[ZeJudge]

New Website Addy:

 

http://www.st-sw.vze.com/

[OMEGA]

So, no Borg then?

 

The NJO and New Republic? Ugh.... :

 

No problem with that era, it's just that it's skipping the grandest part in Star Wars history. The Galactic Civil war was the highpoint of warfare in the galaxy, as there was an ORGANIZED Empire under Palpatine, thus an organized and powerful navy, vs. the new tattered rag-tag crappy flying pieces of junk (no offense, but that's just my opinion) defending the New Republic with "warlords" running around buying Star Destroyers..... I just don't find it that appealing to have these once majestic, organized, and mighty vessels being skeleton crewed and flown around by semi-pirates. I am aware that the New Republic has Star Destroyers in it's "arsenal", but it's nowhere near the firepower of the Empire at it's height. And what's with all the Death Star wanna-be's? ???

 

And these "New Jedi"....

 

Don't even get me started.... :

 

Point is,this would be far better off taking place at the height of the Galactic Civil War when there was at least ORGANIZATION and true power in the galaxy.

[PipfunatUT]

i agree with mr. omega, but hell its not my mod

[Mikan Cyclone]

You have a good point Omega, the GCW was a very prime time for warfare in the galaxy. 

 

What I want to know is what everyone has against the NJO series and the Yuuzhan Vong....I think it's the best series I've read yet.  I can see why you would dislike a couple of the new jedi, but all of them? Well that's just plain poppycock

 

random idiot:  HAHAHAHA! HE SAID

                              Poppycock

 

Anyway, yeah.  I also believe that the Rebellion is a travisty and should be purged from the galaxy.  The Empire should have one by ALL accounts.  All the Rebellion victories were basically from being at the wrong place at the right time.  I mean, even in Dark Empire, they only had TWO Star Destroyers.  TWO!

 

Darksaber, and all the other prototypes are mistakes.  The Death Star shouldn't have ever been built in the first place.  The only superweapon without any flaw that they had were the World Devastators, and Luke destroyed those because the Emperor was too idiotic to not see that his apprentice would backstab the entire Empire, and destroy the only good superweapon they had.

 

I'm done with my rant.  Also, I think it would be awesome to Destroy the Borg scum.  More of a challenge than the....scum we have to face now. (by that, I mean the Rebels.)

[OMEGA]

I'm glad we cold finally agree, Mikan. ;D

 

Also, I think it would be awesome to Destroy the Borg scum.  More of a challenge than the....scum we have to face now. (by that, I mean the Rebels.)

 

By far! That is, if you don't become one of them first....

 

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9695/assimilation1tf.jpg

 

This is how regular humanoids (the Borg assimilate many races) are assimilated and turned into Borg drones. By injecting the subject with nanoprobes, they gradually take over the entire body and mind until you lose all sense of individuality and become connected to the Collective, or hive mind. Each drone thinks with the entire Collective and that former individual's thoughts, feelings, and emotions are wiped away. However, their memory and knowledge remains and is transferred to the Collective as a whole.

[Spirit1flyer]

So, no Borg then? Shocked

 

What? I never said that!

Yes there will be borg!  not under the fed flag though. and its not going to be against the Borg!   

They will be like the pirates in the game

 

The NJO and New Republic? Ugh.... Roll Eyes

 

No problem with that era, it's just that it's skipping the grandest part in Star Wars history. The Galactic Civil war was the highpoint of warfare in the galaxy, as there was an ORGANIZED Empire under Palpatine, thus an organized and powerful navy, vs. the new tattered rag-tag crappy flying pieces of junk (no offense, but that's just my opinion) defending the New Republic with "warlords" running around buying Star Destroyers..... I just don't find it that appealing to have these once majestic, organized, and mighty vessels being skeleton crewed and flown around by semi-pirates. I am aware that the New Republic has Star Destroyers in it's "arsenal", but it's nowhere near the firepower of the Empire at it's height. And what's with all the Death Star wanna-be's? Huh

 

Please note!  I said  Pre!  New Jedi order! 

And as for the power setup with the Empire and Rebels its going to be set up  independently from the books/movies  Not saying that it will not be like them.

[MajorPayne]

With regards to borg, how about a random event of having perhaps a cube or sphere just thrown into the mix (seeing as theres the random events button)??

[Spirit1flyer]

that might work,    I will look into that

[ZeJudge]

Hey peeps,

 

Just a notice:

We need help from people who can do some texturing/skinning

 

Plus:

Does anyone know anything about the hardpoints/explosion areas etc?

 

Also, post here for any new ideas for the mod, we need the publics opinion on this.

 

Cheers,

ZeJudge