Re: Z95s, Venators, V-Wings

[matt_pff]

OK OK so before you bite my head up and begin flamming read my questions first.  I have noticed quite a few screenshots going about with pics of these ships in them.  I know the Venator is not supposed to be "in-game" but noticed some mods had them in it.  So my question is are any of these ships actually in the game without mods and what are their roles, i.e. are Z95s buildable, are V-Wings only pirate ships, etc.?  I know the Venator was said to not be in-game but then heard it was a pirate ship but mostly I figured it was simply put it because it's file was still in the game.  I apologize if this was posted before but I did a search and couldn't find any specific answer to my question.

-Matt

[The Saint]

Z95s are in the game and buildable, they're the first fighters for the Rebel Alliance. V-wings and Venators arent though. Leftovers.

[Darksythe]

Im jsut Speculating here, but Venetors might be ended up being used by the Pirates in EAW, its only speculating but they might not, and they might leave it in for moders to use.

[matt_pff]

Thanks for the replys guys!  No its just hoping this game makes its way to the mac.  I know it would be extremely popular on our end.

[Baron_Fel]

Venators ARE in the game, but not produceable by either side. Check the demo cracks.

In the full version venators will probably be in use by pirates.

[Admrial Joyce]

Im just Speculating here, but Venetors might be ended up being used by the Pirates in EAW, its only speculating but they might not, and they might leave it in for moders to use.

 

Your probbly right. The Venator will be most lickly be used by pirates. Maybe some could be used by planet defence forces?

[Little.B]

Mh, I don't know but isn't the Venator a little bit too big and powerfull to be in the hands of pirates as a regular unit? I just think that this is a ship which does not really fit to regular pirates.

[DragonShadow]

The unit was left in for story purposes and is sometimes given as a starting unit on missions, but you can't build it.

[Mistrider]

They aren't regular pirates. The default pirate faction in the game is Black Sun. if anyone needs explanation of who they are, toss me a PM or ask here.

[Popcorn2008]

Like i've said before, the demo was made before the announcment of the venator removal. It was built on the 17th of December, so they may have removed the Venator by this time totally. If you check the XML the ship was supposed to be both a rebel and empire ship. Modders just made it mainly for pirates. So nothing is confirmed  :

[Little.B]

The default pirate faction in the game is Black Sun

Uh, are they? Did not know that. But I always thought this organization was not that old.

[Mistrider]

they are very old, powerful,and influential. Think 1920's Chicago Mafia and you get the basic jist of Black Sun. The leader of Black Sun, Prince Xizor was the one who master minded the trap set for the Rebels at Endor. He told his entire plan to the Emperor, and the Emperor put it into action. Xizor did this because he wanted to take Darth Vader's place at the emperor's side, Huge rivalry between the two.

 

Taken from Wikipedia:

 

Black Sun is a fictional crime syndicate in the Star Wars galaxy. It was introduced in Shadows of the Empire, which featured the syndicate's de facto head, Prince Xizor, as its main villain. Since then, Black Sun has appeared in numerous Star Wars works.

 

Black Sun has existed, in some form or another, in the Star Wars galaxy for centuries. Black Sun is headquartered on Coruscant and its influence stretches the breadth of the galaxy. Before The Phantom Menace, Black Sun was headed by Alexi Garyn, who was killed by Darth Maul on his master's orders. In the time of the original trilogy, Black Sun was headed by Prince Xizor, a reptilian Falleen, who was so wealthy that it was rumored only Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader were more powerful than him.

 

Rivalry between Vader and Xizor was especially strong due to the fact that, after an accident at a biological weapons laboratory on Xizor's homeworld, Vader ordered all the Falleens who had been contaminated to be "sterilized," (i.e. they were killed.) When Xizor learned that Luke Skywalker was Vader's son, he decided to kill Skywalker so as to foil Vader's plan to turn Luke to the dark side. However, when Vader learned of the scheme, he made sure Xizor paid with his life.

 

Black Sun never achieved its former glory after Xizor's death. Several attempts to bring the syndicate's have been orchestrated, including one by Xizor's niece Savan.

 

Black Sun may have been the source of the name for the Blue Sun organization in the show Firefly.

 

The line about Xizor trying to kill Luke goes so far in SotE that in several books it is alluded to that Xizor tips off the Imperial stormtroopers to the location of the Lars Homestead. In one book Boba Fett(I think it was Boba...) find an actual recording of the killing of Owen and Beru Lars and in the distance of the recording he sees a Falleen heat signature.

[All_Terrain]

The unit was left in for story purposes and is sometimes given as a starting unit on missions, but you can't build it.

I'm a bit confused. The last few days I've seen plenty of screenshots with the Venator in it, are these all from a demo mod or from the official demo? And will the Venator be left in the game or is this just speculation. (It would make sense for it to be there, but not be produced, since the production of the class seemed to stop as the CW ended.)

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

any screenshot featuring a Venator unless its an official release is an Mod picture.

[shadowsfm]

i can conform that the venitor model is in the demo, that means, if its not in the real game we can copy and paste it from the demo, (assuming we figger out how to extract it)

[MastaSpoofa]

I think the venator should be a gunship/carrier, I mean, lets take a look at Ep 3, all, and i mean ALL of the ships were Venators, and they were vs enemy gunships. and the venators were winning. They were doing some serious damage to the enemy. But in this game, they can hardly stand up to anything. Yes they are outdated, but come on. at least give them a proton torp launcher or somthing. Maby a few more turbo lasers? even though its not in the game, just an idea.  ;D

[jedi mike]

yes i agree i love the ven but its so weak i dont think it should be super powered but it has a hard time with tartans and i just use them cuz they look cool they dont have any combat role in my fleets thats probity why they removed it but i hope when they mod it in they make it more powerful

[MastaSpoofa]

yes i agree i love the ven but its so weak i dont think it should be super powered but it has a hard time with tartans and i just use them cuz they look cool they dont have any combat role in my fleets thats probity why they removed it but i hope when they mod it in they make it more powerful

 

I also do that  ;D i mass produce around 10 venators, and about 9 A-wing squads and 4 y-wing squads, and conquore the entire galaxy  ;D i usually only win because i have more quantity over quality.

 

 

But I prefer Quality over quantity.

 

Venator in my opinion should have, 6 Turbo Lasers. 2 Ion cannons, and 1 proton torp launcher. but they should cost around 3k to produce

 

ALSO they should have reduced shield strength, to counter the massive ammount of fire power they would have. just to be fair to all you anti-venator people 

[Baron_Fel]

Venator in my opinion should have, 6 Turbo Lasers. 2 Ion cannons, and 1 proton torp launcher. but they should cost around 3k to produce

lol, that would make it into one of the strongest things in the game. An ISD only has 4 turbolaser batteries. The reduced shield thing would help, but having more firepower than an ISD really wouldnt be realistic. I dont know the specs of the venator, but I dont thing it is anything near the size of an ISD or a mon cal crusier.

[Relentless]

What I still dont understand is why the Venator was remowed, but the Acclamator remains in. If the Venator is indeed as weak as you demo  mod players say, why can the Acclamators even challenge Nebulon Bs? The Acclamator is even older than the Venator, so why isn't it extremely weak? This is just outright idiotic to me.

[Baron_Fel]

The Acclamator is even older than the Venator, so why isn't it extremely weak?

The Acclamator IS extremely weak as well. One or 2 nebulons could definetly destroy the acclamator.

I have no idea why Petro removed teh Venator, but I bet it will have some role in the game, from campain or skirmish or pirates.

[jedi mike]

call me crazy but id rather have a acclamator because it has a hanger witch then ven should also have I'm not worried because i know u can change the stats of ships and maybe we could give the ven a hanger but i really like the ven and it does have someplace in this game

[MastaSpoofa]

ok, ok just 3 turbo lasers, 3 ion cannons and 1 torp laucher with reduced shielding

[All_Terrain]

why can the Acclamators even challenge Nebulon Bs?

 

Due to the thousands of years of technological stagnation in the SW galaxy, ships of an equal purpose 20 years apart won't be that much different when pitted against one another. Besides, the Nebulon-B is a frigate aimed at anti-starfighter combat and is armed accordingly. The Acclamator is over twice its length, is alot bulkier, can perform BDZ operations and face other capital ships in combat. It therefore has much heavier armament.

 

I think an issue of SW:Republic had one Acc holding its own against five Dreadnaught-class cruisers, so it's no pushover..

[shadowsfm]

just becouse somethings been built long time ago doesnt mean it cant be updated. the airforce still uses b-52s right?