Guest Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Once again the acclamator is underpowered and reduced to the lowly status as a frigate. http://www.eaw-fr.com/modules/view_screen.php?n=3497 The acclamator was a CAPITOL SHIP, with 8 heavy turbolasers and like 8 torpedo launchers. They could have at least made it a HEAVY frigate instead of a meduim one. They did the same thing to the acclamator in BF2 and made it a weak sauce frigate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Oh man...... I hoped that the acclamator would be a capitol ship like it is supposed to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Jedi Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Once again the acclamator is underpowered and reduced to the lowly status as a frigate. http://www.eaw-fr.com/modules/view_screen.php?n=3497 The acclamator was a CAPITOL SHIP, with 8 heavy turbolasers and like 8 torpedo launchers. They could have at least made it a HEAVY frigate instead of a meduim one. They did the same thing to the acclamator in BF2 and made it a weak sauce frigate The aclamator status doesn't bother me at all. What is worse is tha fact that stormtroopers are weaker than the rebel troopers. ??? I tested a single stormtrooper squad(9 units) against a rebel squad(5 units) and the stormtroopers lost. Badly. :-\ Other than that the game is awesome and I eagerly await the full version. Good job Petro. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teradyn_pff Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 These are the types of things where "realism" is sacrificed for "balance". Expect to see some differences in mods. One thing I would like to toy around with is having more units but them dying more realistically. Time will tell. My Death Star is bigger than your Death Star!"The XML is strong with this one!"http://miniprofile.xfire.com/bg/bg/type/0/teradyn.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 what?! storm troopers are weaker than rebel troopers!?!?! Well.... there it goes my respect for this game just whent out the window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSkull Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I just ran sevral test, rebel troopers vrs storm troopers rebles lost every fight, unless i used take cover then they won every fight ( the ST's never used TC) so seems balanced to me. Also on a side note rebel troopers are stronger in the movies then ST BUT ST always one cause of greater numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tyrant Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 (edited) I tested a single stormtrooper squad(9 units) against a rebel squad(5 units) and the stormtroopers lost. Badly. : Not to me, I have played the demo 4 times and found that they are equally strong. Meaby is the way you lead them or organize them. Rebel troops are more tactical, because the rebellion dont have the resources to get lots of troops like the empire, thats why they get the option to take cover. The empire is all about strength in numbers. In EAW imperial troops are stronger than rebel troops, but the rebels get the take cover option that reduce the amount of damage they take, which is why you see that they are more powerfull, but they are not. How to deal with this?, Always have tons of troops together or a few at-sts will fix that. Edited January 19, 2006 by Darth Tyrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirNuke Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Rebels come in 3 squads of 5. How many squads do stormtroopers come in? If it's more than three, then it would make perfect sense that a single squad of rebels would beat a single squad of stormtroopers. I would also note that it appeared that the rebels had longer range than the stormtroopers. Also note that the demo is a build from back in December Besides, I think if you wanted to kill rebel soldiers, you would use the tie crawler. The AI kept using them to run over my troops, which is far more effective than using stormtroopers. Zing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tyrant Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Rebels come in 3 squads of 5. How many squads do stormtroopers come in? If it's more than three, then it would make perfect sense that a single squad of rebels would beat a single squad of stormtroopers. I would also note that it appeared that the rebels had longer range than the stormtroopers. Also note that the demo is a build from back in December Besides, I think if you wanted to kill rebel soldiers, you would use the tie crawler. The AI kept using them to run over my troops, which is far more effective than using stormtroopers. Storm troopers are good. All you need to know is how to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkthehunter Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Considering stormtroopers are free from AT-AT's, they have to be worse than the Rebel troopers. It's called balance, people! Protecting the world from those who have an IQ higher than 30! Huzzah! Trust me...I'm a professional. Some other members and I are trying to be superheroes and save the forums. But we can't do it on our own. We need your help! Join us! http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5380/pffuserbar2modnp0.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Considering stormtroopers are free from AT-AT's, they have to be worse than the Rebel troopers. It's called balance, people! yeah?! well balance sucks....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogueace127 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Okay, going back to the original topic. Acclamators were never meant to be frigates. They were just big transport ships that can carry a huge army and everything complementing it, including AT-TEs, gunships, mobile command posts, etc. It didn't actually have that many weapons cuz it was never meant to be a fighting capital ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphi-PG Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Considering stormtroopers are free from AT-AT's, they have to be worse than the Rebel troopers. It's called balance, people! Heh, how many ATAT's do you really think you're going to have on the battelfield pumping out units? ;D Delphi-PGGame Designer/Community Rephttp://www.petroglyphgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomorphine Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Taking cover and crouching is a basic natural instinct of most living things. Why would it be unique to purely rebel alliance personnel (especially when considering the other side is who gets to have the expensive training regimes and academies)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirNuke Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Another note: It appears troops get cover when they are in certain spots (such as the sandbags around the first capture point on the Tatooine map). So they do more or less take cover, but only when you specificly order them to. And Imperials are trained to follow orders no matter what, orders that often overrule their own thoughts and instints. Zing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSkull Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Taking cover and crouching is a basic natural instinct of most living things. Why would it be unique to purely rebel alliance personnel (especially when considering the other side is who gets to have the expensive training regimes and academies)? when was the last time you saw Stormtroopers hiding or taking cover? they always relied on charging and over running the enemy even in ep2 and 3 they did that. The empire was not as well trained as you think, they trained to skill not trained to surive the rebels on the other hand did training for both as they had limted numbers, there troops also got combat exp real fast in hit and run raids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zer_Teron Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 You silly, you've got it wrong. The Rebels were either half-trained or not trained at all, the Empire had the best training academy in the Galaxy. The Stormtroopers were better shots, had better armor, smarter, and had something better to fight for than the Rebels. Death be to the Rebels who killed the my lord http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3488/zersigef1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Okay, going back to the original topic. Acclamators were never meant to be frigates. They were just big transport ships that can carry a huge army and everything complementing it, including AT-TEs, gunships, mobile command posts, etc. It didn't actually have that many weapons cuz it was never meant to be a fighting capital ship. yet it had many weapons and was the republic's main capitol ship throught the clone wars before the victory and venator, the acclamator deserves more in EAW to be called a "medium frigate" it could at least be a "heavy frigate" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tyrant Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Considering stormtroopers are free from AT-AT's, they have to be worse than the Rebel troopers. It's called balance, people! I have tested stormtroopers after playing the demo for the nine time and let me report that stormtroopers and rebels troopers are the same. Same firepower, same armor protection and both get take cover option. The only difference about the two of them is that stormtrooper squads come in two squads of nine troopers for a total of 18, thats why they cost more. Rebel troopers come in 3 squads of 5 troopers for a total of 15, thats why they cost less. Imperial troopers cost 60 credits, rebels troopers cost 52 or 53 credits. They are both well balance and both are the same, only difference is that imperials get 3 more storm troopers than the rebels. Imperials 18, rebels 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSkull Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 You silly, you've got it wrong. The Rebels were either half-trained or not trained at all, the Empire had the best training academy in the Galaxy. The Stormtroopers were better shots, had better armor, smarter, and had something better to fight for than the Rebels. Death be to the Rebels who killed the my lord First off they did not send every storm trooper thru that academy it was for officer training not basic soldiers, Second they where not better shots, sure some might have been just like some rebels might have been better then stormtroopers, armor means squat 1 hit kills a trooper in that whitearmor just like 1 hit without the movies showed this and how where they smarter? they where programed and did not really think for themselfs so could not alter plans on the go because they always followed orders no matter what LOL had something better to fight for? they didnt fight for anything they where man made to follow orders they didnt give a ratsass what they fought for, while the rebels fought for freedom. If the stormtroopers where really as good as you think and had the best training etc.. then how in the world did they ever lose the war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 because George Lucas Decided that they should lose the war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Jedi Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 : Episode IV the assault on the Tantive. The ST kicked the rebel troopers arse faster than you can say blast'em and with minor casualties no less. Every other part on the movie they were against luke and friends. Now these are the main charaters of the movie of course they will not be killed. Character shields>>>>>>>>Average ST On Endor the STormtroopers, after the initial surprise were beating back the ewoks and the rebels and killing them in droves, only when chewei stole the at-se the rebels started to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Vader Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 im appalled by the conclusions and stupidity that is showing here on this forum with your tests, did you use take cover? that increases thier dodge, and also, did you have any upgrades? did they? you have to take these all into account before you assume the end result also, stormtroopers are "free" so they have to be weaker? you make them on the galatic level just like rebel troopers, so where is the logic? I've have you now - Lord Vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 yeah, there is no logic in making storm troopers weak just because they are free, the Empire had billions of stormtroopers at it's disposal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomorphine Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 when was the last time you saw Stormtroopers hiding or taking cover? When was the last time you saw them needing to take cover and having time to realise it? they always relied on charging and over running the enemy even in ep2 and 3 they did that. So do most military forces, if it's that kind of an environment. The empire was not as well trained as you think, they trained to skill not trained to surive the rebels on the other hand did training for both as they had limted numbers, there troops also got combat exp real fast in hit and run raids. Eh? Not trained to survive rebels? They're trained to assault entire planets, which would already have very well equipped professional militaries on them! By comparison, the Alliance is worth little. It's not even really standardised. It's just a philosophy of wanting to be free from the Imperial authority. The only ones worth a darn seemed to be the ones who defected from the Empire, with Imperial training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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