Some new screens from Activision

[Little.B]

Referring to: http://pff.swrebellion.com/viewtopic.php?p=30436#30436

 

Discussion goes in here

[SirNuke]

Wookies!

 

That first shot is shows the deathstar actually being on the map. I wonder if to destroy it, you have to get Red Squad past the Imperial defenses to the Death Star?

[Teradyn_pff]

In a discussion with Petroglyph, they made the statement that Capital ships would cost 3 pop cap points. If this picture is not from before the pop cap was decided, this means that the ISD and VSD are the only ones that cost 3, as the Acclimator, Broadside, and Tartan, seem to only cost 1 by counting that picture. There are

 

6 Acclimators

7 Broadsides

2 Tartan Cruisers

5 Tie Bomber Groups

1 Tie Fighter Group

2 Transports

1 Lambda Class Shuttle

At least 1 more fighter group or ship since we see vader in the top right and he is not on the screen. From the mini-map it looks like there are some more units to the bottom left of the viewable screen.

 

The Acclimators and Broadsides can only be 1 pop each as either one being 2 pushes the total limit over 20 just between these two. Given the relative size of the Tartan Cruiser, it would be silly for it to be higher than these two, so it must also be 1 pop.

 

This brings the pop limit to 15 on screen. Unless the fighters and bombers can be launched from an Acclimator (which would be unbalancing if the Acclimator is only 1 pop limit), then the units offscreen must be an ISD (3 pop limit) which brings the total pop cap to 18 and that leaves enough for a 2 pop limit VSD.

 

Thus from this we should be able to conclude that the pop cap limit costs are as follows:

 

ISD = 3

VSD = 2

Acclimator, Broadside and Tartan = 1

Tie Bombers, Fighters and Scouts = 0

Transports = 0

 

 

This should mean that on the Rebel's side:

 

Mon Cal = 3

Assault Frigate = 2

Neb-B Frigate, Blockade Runner = 1

 

But since the fighters cost 1 each, the Mon Cal may be 2 and the Assault Frigate may be 2 or 1.

Rebel numbers are pure speculation, but we should be able to extrapolate the numbers from other screenshots.

 

The only catch is that we don't know if all of the screenshots of fleets that we have are with the 20 pop cap limit. If the pop cap indicator can not be seen on a screenshot then it should not be used.

[Little.B]

short note: did an update to the original news post

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

i cant see the Pictures and when i click the link it takes me straight back to the news site? also when i go on to the english version of the site it doesn't have the news.

[Teradyn_pff]

http://www.sw-eaw.de/galerie/org/522.jpg

 

Anyone know what the 2 little droids are?

[Nevets]

The one wookiee looks messed up, almost stunted

 

the two droids are surveying droids used to scan the area so your artillery can fire at things far away.

[Teradyn_pff]

The one wookiee looks messed up, almost stunted

 

the two droids are surveying droids used to scan the area so your artillery can fire at things far away.

 

Duh, I knew that. I guess I haven't seen them this up close before.

[Deadeye31_pff]

That's not a wookie. It looks like Rambo with a green shirt. It must be a bounty hunter or merc or something special.

[Little.B]

i cant see the Pictures and when i click the link it takes me straight back to the news site? also when i go on to the english version of the site it doesn't have the news.

 

Mh, strange. Java Script enabled? (There is no harm in enabling java on my page. I swear ) There are no new english news. I stopped the english page because it is extra work I cannot handle right now. Perhaps english news might come back with the reworked page but I can't tell right now.

[AquaIllusion]

Teradyn, I have reason to believe your ship count is incorrect. After close examination of the mini-map (by using paint to zoom in on the mini-map and identify the different types of blips) and comparing it to the playing screen, I have reason to believe there is actually a vessel, hidden behind the control panel, behind the very bottom transport shuttle. The minimap identifies this vessel as a capital ship of some sort, as it is the same type of blip as those of the other large vessels. Therefor it will impact the population cap. If it was a VSD or an Acclimator, it is likely that we would be able to see it as the ship is very close behind the transport... About as close as one Broadside is to an Acclimator and they're both overlapping. This means it is most likely a Broadside or smaller, i'm thinking Tartan. It is unlikely to be a fighter as chances are we would see atleast one of them. And like I said, the blip matches a cap ship. This does mean it will impact on the population count as 1.

 

Now, if we were to say your pop numbers were mostly correct, this would bring the cap up to 19. This likely means that a Broadside or smaller was left behind with the ISD (which I also agree should be there for fighter delivery). So your pop numbers would be correct, except for the VSD since it is not on the map and therefor it is not possible to tell whether it would be a 2 or a 3. I agree that likely it is a 2 but it might not be. I just thought I should point out the ship you missed.

 

It's probably just nothing but it almost appears that there are actually 3 cap ships left behind... With one squad of fighters there. But this makes little sense unless you take out the ISD. So i've decided to scrap this idea, it's just bugging me.

 

 

Edit: Oh yeh, if we say the VSD is a 2 and use this pop values on the other screenshot, it would make the Death Star have a pop value of 4... Which kinda makes sense as being one more than an ISD.

 

Edit 2: Oh hah, I realized I forgot Vader. I may have been correct and there may be three blips to the back. 1 ISD, a Broad/Tartan and Vader. I suppose it would make sense if he was to show up as a cap ship blip... And that would mean the squad of fighters towards the back would probably be the one he spawns.

 

Edit Once Again: One more thing (probably). Is that a cloaked ship in the screenie of the DS blowing up a planet? It's shape vaguely resembles a Corellian Corvette or Gunship... It's either that or a nebula (the space phenomena, not the ship). But you can see stars through it and one of the bits you can see through it actually seems more like one of the 'embers' from the explosion than a star.

[Teradyn_pff]

I see your point about that picture having some abiguity, but if we take a look at this picture:

http://images.pexsus.com/show.php?src=games/empireatwar/media/new/activision/8ad47df0c4b86429943a68cae66f7171.jpg we may be able to use them both together to determine a pop value for the ships present as both pictures show the current pop cap used.

 

First, there is one ship that is not showing on the screen, but we can determine that it is a Tartan since the selection circle can be seen very close to the command bar and 2 Tartan Cruisers are shown to be selected but only 1 visible.

 

This gives us present on the map:

 

1 ISD

1 VSD

2 Acclamators

2 Broadside Cruisers

3 Tartan Cruisers

2 Tie Scout Groups

6 Tie Fighter Groups

4 Tie Bomber Groups

1 Death Star

 

Since the Death Star only uses Galactic pop cap points and not Tactical (ref: Delphi, I think), it and all 12 of the Tie groups are 0 Pop Points here.

 

This leaves 16 of 20 total pop cap points to be split up between the rest. If we use my previous estimates for their values we get:

3=1 ISD @ 3 each

2=1 VSD @ 2 each

2=2 Acclamators @ 1 each

2=2 Broadside Cruisers @ 1 each

3=3 Tartan Cruisers @ 1 each

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12 Total, which leaves 4 unaccounted for, this would support your guess of 4 pop for the Death Star except for the fact stated above about it being 0 for the tactical pop cap.

 

If we bump the VSD to be 3 each and the acclimators to be 2 each this gives us:

3=1 ISD @ 3 each

3=1 VSD @ 3 each

4=2 Acclamators @ 2 each

2=2 Broadside Cruisers @ 1 each

3=3 Tartan Cruisers @ 1 each

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15 Total which presents us with a problem as there is 1 pop cap unaccounted for. The other problem here is that the Acclamators can not be 2 each as that would bump the pop cap limit to 21 on the other picture with just what we see on screen.

 

Speaking of the other picture, I think that the assumption that there is an ISD or VSD there is incorrect. The icons we thought were ships a little to the bottom left of the view is only Vader's fighter group. This is supported by the representation of the fighter groups on the screen we are currently analyzing. Thus the 5 dim icons that are farther below and to the left of that should be either 5 Tartans, 5 Broadsides or 5 Acclamators or a combination of all 3 adding up to 5. This gives us the 20 pop limit represented on that screen.

 

I have carefully examined the orientation of the dots on the minimap and the list I presented at the first is complete. Which means we have a conundrum to solve. From what I have discussed, the values are for certain (including what we have been told by the devs):

2=2 Acclamators

2=2 Broadside Cruisers

3=3 Tartan Cruisers

0=2 Tie Scout Groups

0=6 Tie Fighter Groups

0=4 Tie Bomber Groups

0=1 Death Star

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7 total so far, leaving 9 points between:

1 ISD

1 VSD

 

There is something wrong here, because even if we take Delphi's statement that Cap ships are 3 each to mean that the ISD and the VSD are both 3, that leaves 3 unaccounted for.

 

We could find that extra 3 if the Tartan Cruisers were counted at 2 each, but that doesn't make alot of sense.

 

What are your thoughts, people?

 

Oh, by the way, I think that from this picture we can determine the max Tie groups spawnable by each ship... The ISD can spawn 5 total, the VSD can spawn 3 total and the Acclamators can spawn 2 total.

 

Now this may be an incorrect guess because there may be no limit and the ammount present has only to do with the timer on the respawn, but it is the best guess so far.

[Little.B]

As we see on the image there is no "blib" for an imperial space station, so this is very, very, very most likely from the champaign. As we know from Delphi (as Teadyn) alread pointed out the DS does not use pop cap. So, we can leave him out of our calculations. /imho

[Teradyn_pff]

Any ideas to rectify the pop cap issue with these two images? If anyone has any other images that include the popcap/max in the picture, please link them here.