Guest Scathane Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 (edited) -----Message-----From: ScathaneSent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 2:33 AMTo: Hugh SiderSubject: ErratumHugh, It seems that I have misread one of the questions from the mod team. The sixth question in question 6 ("Is it possible to replace characters and units with new ones?") should read: "Is it possible to add characters and units? Hope to hear from you soon! Regards,ScathaneAssistant Webmaster to SWRebellion.net -----Message-----From: Hugh Sider Sent: Monday 7 juli 2003 18:01To: ScathaneSubject: RE: Erratum It should be possible to add characters. I'm not sure how difficult it is. I still haven't exhumed my archives - I have some notes and such on an old (possibly dead) machine that I'll need to refer to. Edited July 9, 2003 by Scathane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejiuvanat Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 -----Message-----From: ScathaneSent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 2:33 AMTo: Hugh SiderSubject: ErratumHugh, It seems that I have misread one of the questions from the mod team. The sixth question in question 6 ("Is it possible to replace characters and units with new ones?") should read: "Is it possible to add characters and units? Hope to hear from you soon! Regards,ScathaneAssistant Webmaster to SWRebellion.net -----Message-----From: hsider@PCPANDL.com Sent: Monday 7 juli 2003 18:01To: ScathaneSubject: RE: Erratum It should be possible to add characters. I'm not sure how difficult it is. I still haven't exhumed my archives - I have some notes and such on an old (possibly dead) machine that I'll need to refer to. Can it be??? That'd be great.... http://www.swrebellion.com/~jahled/Trej/banner.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahled Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Cool Scathe! This sounds potentially quite exciting... Anyways, I went back to my lead, Jason; and have tried again: Hi Jason! Just a look in to see if we got anywhere when you very kindly said you wouldpass my feedback on to the game's developer. I do appreciate it's an odd request to make, given Lucas Arts are a hugecommercial outfit, and obviously would normally be amazed at such a requestfor source codes for one of it's titles; but on this occasion I would humblyask that the game's age, unsupported status, and my; and my fellow die-hardsat swrebellion.com, completely innocent reasons for asking Lucasarts for it.There's absolutely no commercial insentive, our sole reason is to unlock thefinal pieces of magic from the game we love, and then perhaps eventually putit to bed, having seriously got all the enjoyment we possibly could out ofone of your titles. I'm one of those nerds who doesn't sleep properly unlessI go to bed with that sound of a Star Destroyer resonating in my head! Thanks again for your continued correspondance. Jahled ----- Original Message -----From: "LucasArts Technical Support" To: "Jahled" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:17 PMSubject: RE: STAR WARS REBELLION (JS) Hello, The best I can do for you is to pass your feedback on to the developer ofthe game. Thanks for the feedback. Jason / LucasArts P.S. When replying, remember to include all previous messages (noattachments please!). Also, please do not change the subject heading asthis contains routinginformation. Changing the subject heading can delay any responses toyou. -----Original Message-----From: Jahled [mailto:jahled@madasafish.com]Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:16 PMTo: LucasArts Technical SupportSubject: Re: STAR WARS REBELLION (JS) Dear Jason, Thanks for replying dude! Just a quick question, are you guys planning any further development withthe Rebellion game? Using a tool could Resource Hacker i've been able to seeloads of stuff dormant in the game engine that didn't seem to make it to thefinal product. It's just a shame you guys just sort of left the game deadand unsupported, it could have been such a great titile. Just food for thought, but if I as the public can't have access to thegame's source code, what's it doing other than rot into cyber oblivion!Seems a shame really, given some of us out here could do so much with it,and really love the game! No bad vibe intended in anything i've said!!! Jahled ----- Original Message -----From: "LucasArts Technical Support" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:00 PMSubject: RE: STAR WARS REBELLION (JS) Hello, Thank you for your message. I am sorry but this isn't available to the public, Jahled. Sorry about that. Jason / LucasArts Fingers crossed, Mask has said the source code is serious shit, and if we had it could unlock no end of possibilities, especially with all the ideas we've all been throwing around the forums here for the past couple of years. I am determined to really give this one a good shot, we've got absolutely nothing to loose! If lucas arts can come round to seeing we have absolutely no commercial interests, and are simply in this to expand the fun of the game; right guys? By the way, this thread isn't mine or Scathane's sole preserve! Get involved! If you don't fully grasp what I at least have been requesting from Lucas Arts, drop Mask a line. I'm sure he'll reply if he's not to busy, or post something public if he get's buried with emails. But communicate with Lucas Arts with RESPECT! Don't get frustrated when you are ignored, and get silly. Scathane and me have been fortunate to have had (reasonably) lucky brakes. Don't expect one instantly. If we POLITELY persist, we might get somewhere! It's on all our interests to get whatever positive feedback we can from the guys at Lucas Arts; remember when you communicate with them you are in a way doing so, on this thread, on behalf of us all. Don't get cocky! Oh, and spell check...like I forgot to! http://www.jahled.co.uk/smallmonkeywars.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahled Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Ok, well in the time it took me to compose all of that, my emial recieved this: Hello, Unfortunately there are no plans to release the source code for this game. I wish I had better news for you, Jahled. Jason / LucasArts Wierd timing eh? Chins up! Any ideas? http://www.jahled.co.uk/smallmonkeywars.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahled Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Ok, well not one to take a quite frankly polite and cool 'no,' for an answer; I responded thus: Hello, Please feel free to sabre me down dead if you whiry of my persistence! Ishall obviously respect the fact you are a busy dude and I a mere padadorkwho spends to much time roaming around in game files, trying to enhancethings! Are you able to direct me to someone at Lucas Arts who I may respectfullyapproach for further technical queries concerning Rebellion, or thecorporate reasons for withholding the source-code? My thanks for your continued communication, it is refreshing to know thatLucas Arts is not as mechanical and soulless as some outfits out there! -Jahled (The manor in which Jason is responding is actually quite cool when you think about it, in that he's taking the time to address me...in human terms!) Notice how I skillfully lied about knowing advanced gibberish like tweeking with game files etc... Mask/Gank/dudes who know more about ZX Spectrums than I do... in the unlikely event this gets anywhere, you moder's are going to have to dive in pretty damn fast... http://www.jahled.co.uk/smallmonkeywars.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mask Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Rest assured, that I'm circling this topic like a hawk bat and I think it's a safe bet, that my fellow editors are also waiting to dig into the granite slugs ... ... erm, source code . http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5183/animated9pn.gifhttp://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1778/reloadedbannerdu8.gifhttp://www.swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahled Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Cool to hear Mask, but haven't you guys taken my and Scathe's efforts as a cue to attempt to contact Lucas Arts yourselves? I, as a complete computing-fool, have had the absolutely one-inch-of-the-ground-blip of success in being replied to by an employee of Lucas Arts who has now dried up. Couldn't/should't you guys join the crusade? As far as employees goes, I can't imagine the office space recieving our communication is that big! Enough thoughtfully worded communications from us requesting info on Rebellion is going to start them muttering to them selves about the sudden flux. I guess they must all drink at the same bar. This isn't Microsoft! They can agree on stuff like: -the game is six years old-completely unsupported, or similar to any other title-rotting away in cyber oblivion-perhaps it might be interesting to see what they can achieve unfinanced if we we give them access to the Source Code. Scathane has supplied his contact's email details, why not some of you moders contact him? I'm prepared to continue my efforts, but I think 'Jason,' has dried up. So I need ideas as to new avenues of approach. As I said, we have nothing to loose here chaps; get involved! http://www.jahled.co.uk/smallmonkeywars.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Scathane has supplied his contact's email details, why not some of you moders contact him? HOLD THOSE EMAILS!!!!! Hugh Sider's obviously a busy person and we'll probably ruin more than improve anything if we start group emailing him. I'd appreciate it if you just let me handle Sider for the time being..., oka? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahled Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Fair be Scathe, that should have occured to me but didn't! New suggestion folks: Let Scathe deal with his man! http://www.jahled.co.uk/smallmonkeywars.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Is there any way I can help? I mean, I know nothing about what a source code does or reprograming or any of that computer stuff, but I want to help! Jahled, Scath, I know I could e-mail, but I don't have the first clue as to what e-mail about. Even so, how can I help? SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahled Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Well SOCL, this is my latest blast, much of the same thing with a new vein at the end I hope now somebody picks up on. What this precious Source-Code can do for us is basically outlined in an email Mask sent me when I asked him for questions to put at Lucas Arts. They are the questions in the message I sent, I have copied below: Sir/Madam, As a devoted player and modder of Lucas Art's excellent game, Star Wars Rebellion, there are a number of questions I would be grateful if you could answer a couple of questions. I need to know: -the complete structure of the savegames-if there can be more than 256 colours used everywhere in the game(pics/movies/textures)-if there could be new cinematics added and if they could be related to new events and to existing events (like a movie for the final battle event for example).-could we use another resolution for the game (640*480) and the movies ?-Also how to create new events with the old-fashioned pics.-what defines a major character ? For example, they cannot die.-if we can add new characters and units to the existing.-if we can give the HQs on Coruscant and Yavin new positions. Could we give the HQ-ability to another planet, so that the NR would start at Coruscant and the Empire at a renamed system, Wayland ? Of course the game's source code would nip all of this in the bud. Whilst I obviously respect the commercial interests of Lucas Arts, your status as one of the major game developers in the gamming industry, there are a few factors I would like to respectfully state for my brazen and very bold request for your product's info. The game is by all intensive purposes, commercially dead! Lucas Arts have not supported the title since you released it six or so years ago. Call me an old hippy, but given you guys have obviously completely abandoned your original product, it seems a shame to simply let it rot in cyber-oblivion. I am aware of a loads of stuff in the game files that didn't seem to make it to the final-released product; WAV files, DLL entries, even reference to the Millennium Falcon appearing in the tactical battle! Given I and my friends have been able to import new ship models, cards, and the odd program, and similar stuff; it would be a nonsense to not let us try and unleash the rest of what could have been with your title! There's obviously no commercial incentive; I and my friends simply want to enhance the enjoyment of one of your more under-rated titles for ourselves and our fellow gamers, given we seemed doomed to love it so much! The game engine seems to be completely unrelated to any other Lucas Arts title. Anything we would unearth programming wise wouldn't endanger any existing product or future product! Anyhows, we are you guys friends! We have fallen in love with one of your older games and simply want to breath some fresh life into it, given we are beginning to hit walls as far as enhancing playing possibilities go. We've got a whole community based about the game living and breathing with ideas and creativity. Please let us have a go! Finally, if it's a financial question after six years, please let me know at what score! I would also respectfully ask for a contact at Lucas Arts who I can ask for why my repeated requests for this information has been turned down; I am quite innocently curious as to why a six year old unsupported game is being held in your safe without any possibility of future development or support! Makes no sense! Surely it's a waste of all the money spent on the game's developers? Just to let it sit there doing nothing! Sincerely and respectfully, Jahled My email layout was slightly more presentable than what materialized 'pasted!' You get the drift SOCL? http://www.jahled.co.uk/smallmonkeywars.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Admiral_Antilles Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Have you gotten a response yet Jahed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahled Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Yet another automated reply.... http://www.jahled.co.uk/smallmonkeywars.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mask Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Patience, the force will guide us http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5183/animated9pn.gifhttp://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1778/reloadedbannerdu8.gifhttp://www.swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 Excellent letter Jahled, couldn't of wrote one better, I think something will come of it , I hope. The force is strong in my family. No, Luke, I am your father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahled Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 Thanks Bill, but to get over the next hurdle, I/we need a communications portal other than the public ones on the main website; they're not getting us anywhere! Come on guys, any ideas? http://www.jahled.co.uk/smallmonkeywars.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 Is there any way I can help? I mean, I know nothing about what a source code does or reprograming or any of that computer stuff, but I want to help! Jahled, Scath, I know I could e-mail, but I don't have the first clue as to what e-mail about. Even so, how can I help?Well, you could try to find Doug Mogica or Michael Mortimer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Is there any way I can help? I mean, I know nothing about what a source code does or reprograming or any of that computer stuff, but I want to help! Jahled, Scath, I know I could e-mail, but I don't have the first clue as to what e-mail about. Even so, how can I help?Well, you could try to find Doug Mogica or Michael Mortimer...Um...I'll try. Now, as far as a direct line of communication with LucasArts goes....Okay, LucasArts has stock which people can invest in. Well, aren't stockholders of a company technically allowed higher privelleges than any normal person on the street? I mean, wouldn't they have some sort of "higher" communication than, lets say, us? I know it probably wouldn't be by much, but it would probably get us some sort of more personal communication with them than just automated responses. Furthermore, it would show them that we not only care for ourselves and getting the game source code for our own delight, but the fact that we actually have invested in the company itself and actually care about LucasArts and not what we can get out of it for ourselves. Then again, with the amount of SW fans around, being a stockholder of LucasArts would probably mean nothing.... SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 -----Message-----From: ScathaneSent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:24 AMTo: Hugh SiderSubject: Wondering... ...are you still alive, dude? ScathaneAssistant Webmaster to SWRebellion.net -----Message-----From: Hugh Sider Sent: Monday, Augustus 25, 2003 10:08 PMTo: ScathaneSubject: RE: Wondering... Still alive, but mostly out of contact for the last month. I haven't forgotten you, but life is kind of busy right now. -- Hugh Sider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahled Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Cool Scathe! Work on that dude in your own sublime pace! Reminded of that today, I sent this: Jason, Assuming you did pass on my message, did the 'game's developer,' respond inany fashion other than silence? As stated previously, all i'm asking your help to achieve is to expand mypersonnal amuzement for the game, given you guys seemed to have left absentfrom the original game. With better tactical battle ship-models, i'm now in the final process ofexpanding the fighter options for both sides from four to seven. A snag! Ibadly need the game's original source code in order to accomplish this!Help! The game is what, now about six years old; you dudes have done nothing withany expansion, please let me have the joy of injecting some serious newlease of life in my favourite game! I just need your help with the sourcecode! Or are you guys holding back because you've already got something in thepipe-line? In good faith, -Jahled Ok; before some of you dudes get creative with my inbox, I do not pretend to be an expert or submiter of the cool stuff like new ship models or fighters, respect to the dudes producing such stuff! My soul desire is to have the oppitunity to have game-play with stuff like I said; which would require the bloody source code. Can you grasp how cool the game would be? Call me a lost course, but keep going we must.... http://www.jahled.co.uk/smallmonkeywars.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2-Opus2 Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 While the enthusiasm for the product isn't lost in the message, it just seems like its mixing sucking up to the guy with some antagonism thrown in for who he had worked for at the time. I'd keep the message's constructive points to address frustrations of the game, but I'd lose elements that probe the guy about "what he's up to", or any other things about why he couldn't respond fast enough for ya. Just my opinion, but I think there's something to be said for keeping things short, sweet, and to the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCL Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Any news of this since my disappearance some time back? SOCL: Putting the BE in BEAK.Read the Forum Rules - Welcome the New Members - Rebellion Reloaded - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scathane Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 While the enthusiasm for the product isn't lost in the message, it just seems like its mixing sucking up to the guy with some antagonism thrown in for who he had worked for at the time. I'd keep the message's constructive points to address frustrations of the game, but I'd lose elements that probe the guy about "what he's up to", or any other things about why he couldn't respond fast enough for ya. Just my opinion, but I think there's something to be said for keeping things short, sweet, and to the point. Well, you see, the point is that I do have a reason for a) emailing Sider with emails such as I did, and b) posting those here. Let me explain... a)I emailed Hugh and he said he wanted to look into it; I believe him... On the other hand he clearly stated that it might take some time, and I believe that as well. Now, I know from experience that if I don't keep some flow of contact between me and someone who's got something you want, s/he's going to forget about you and you'll never get it... Admittedly, you do run out of things to say, hence my email. If you have a suggestion on how to envoy better content to Hugh Sider in such emails, I would be happy to hear about them. b)If I don't post such messages here, the same will happen to you guys. If you hear or see nothing new or updated in this thread, you'll start to think along the lines of "Oh well, just another nice idea that's going to get us nowhere"... I understand that the last email exchange betwenn me and Sider's not what you hoped for but it is at least something. By the way, I personally don't see the antagonism for who he had worked for at the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2-Opus2 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Sorry Scath, my bad, I was referring a little more towards what Jahlad wrote in his last post. And your right, you do want to space out those messages a little. You want to reach that balance of frequency of the messages with allowing the fellow time to look into things. I don't know what frequency your going with atm, but I suspect 2-3 a month isn't too bad. Its enough for the guy to have us in the back of his mind yet it isn't like we're hounding him to death or anything making him wanna thing twice about interacting heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mask Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 1) I do not pretend to be an expert or submiter of the cool stuff like new ship models or fighters, 2) Call me a lost course, but keep going we must.... 1) Well, fighters are not that hard, you just need to create the pictures with the different unit colors on a black background with the correct size. 2) And go on we will http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5183/animated9pn.gifhttp://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1778/reloadedbannerdu8.gifhttp://www.swrebellion.com/images/banners/rebellionbanner02or6.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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