Your thoughts on the Venator

[noian]

I know there's a lot of these but would you like the Venator in or not?

I'll laugh if you choose 'what's a venator?'

I'm thinking there's going to be a rebel who will choose no.

If only I added a 'I don't care as long as the moders add it in' or 'as long as the game is good.' as options.

 

Writers Note: If you voted yes, go to the poll on the broadside and vote 'They removed the venator but kept THIS?!'.

 

Edit: Hey, someone fixed the thread name, thx.

[lordstorm88]

Yes.

[Infinite_Xero]

Yep

there should be an option that says, roughly:

Yes there damn well should be!

And i'm disgusted by LucasArts and their money grabbing ways, pulling completed stuff from a nearly completed game just so they can make expansion packs to screw us out of more money.

(its gonna happen, i sense a disturbance in the Force)

[noian]

I posted this in another thread and this should help you decide if your undecided.

Reasons to Keep it:

Fan Pressure

Why remove something you already made?

Why remove something thats going to be added in anyway?

One more reason to love it.

As for balancing issues:

You can have the Venator as a uprade for another ISD(but still have the other availiable to be built, like the Z-95 and X-wing, the X-wing was based on it but you [should] be able to build both).

Mods will add equvilants for the rebels.

 

Reasons to Remove it:

Lucas Arts wants it gone(blame them, not Lucas the person or Petroglyph).

The fans won't care since it'll be modded back in(might be a viewpoint of thiers).

Too many ISD's.

Balancing Issues.

Cheap tactic for the imps(ties, troops, etc.)

The average or those who just buy it for the game, not star wars, fans won't care.

Likewise, some won't care about star wars 'accuracy'.

Lucasarts just wants money.

 

NOTE: This list is written by someone who leans toward keeping the Venator.

Writers Note: The list supporting and trying to remove the venator are about the same length, so you can't say the list is one-sided.

 

Total amount of admendments to the list: 13

hope that helps, I shortened it a bit.

Yep

there should be an option that says, roughly:

Yes there damn well should be!

And i'm disgusted by LucasArts and their money grabbing ways, pulling completed stuff from a nearly completed game just so they can make expansion packs to s**** us out of more money.

(its gonna happen, i sense a disturbance in the Force)

I agree, tough I didn't put that when I made this poll(again, first thread I made)

[queetz]

Okay. Here are my thoughts...

 

1) I think if they want to remove a model, they should remove the Victory. Honestly? What is it? Just a baby Imperial Star Destroyer. Sure, it was in the EU. Sure it was in other games like Star Wars Rebellion. But if its so damn important, then WHY THE HELL IS IT NOT IN EPISODE III!

 

2) If not the Victory, then get rid of the Acclamator if you can only have a limited amount of models. The Acclamator is suppose to be a troop transport, not a frigate which is what its purpose is in the game. Make the Venator the "frigate" then. So what if its in the screenshots and trailers. The Venator was also in the screenshots.

 

3) If its about balancing, then why not just put the Venator in anyway with the same capabilities as the Victory. So its an extra ship...big deal! Let the fans decide which ship they would use in their missions. Afterall, it is ultimately them that will buy the game and help LucasArts have a sizable profit

 

4) The EAW site and promotional materials specifically said Episode III vehicles. Honestly, what episode III vehicles are out there? Acclamator is Episode II for God's sake!

 

Anyway, I hope someone (Dephi-PG) is listening. I don't understand why a game company would want to disappoint star wars fans such as myself that happen to really like the Venator. Ever since that openinig sequence in Episode III, its love at first site. PLEASE put it in or at least give us the option to download the model for the game...

[Gen.Vader]

i dont care

 

honestly, it isnt a deal breaker for me, im a PRO imp, but if its not in, i still get my juggernauts of doom,

 

also, modders and xpacks will have a golden field of unhappy fans just waiting for it in!

[Nevets]

Real ships in before made up unstarwarsy crap.

[Naja]

Why not just take out the Broadside? No one gives a rat's ass about that useless piece of crap.

[Infinite_Xero]

Why not just take out the Broadside? No one gives a rat's a** about that useless piece of crap.

 

theres a new poll tpoic right there who gives a rats ass abou the Broadside?

i know i don't....

Really, they should take the dumb broadside out and give the venator its stats, its not like they are going by the canon anyway.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn 889]

ok so i think the Venator Should be in the game as i liked the look of it and as it is old tech it weould be good to give the Rebels it as salvage! as it could be used as their second Heavy Cruiser and help to keep the game in balence.

[Guest]

if they have the acclamator then why not the venator?

[Foshjedi2004]

Expansions. Why else!!

[Star Wars Man]

I know there's a lot of these but would you like the Venator in or not?

I'll laugh if you choose 'what's a venator?'

I'm thinking there's going to be a rebel who will choose no.

If only I added a 'I don't care as long as the moders add it in' or 'as long as the game is good.' as options.

 

Edit: Hey, someone fixed the thread name, thx.

 

 

Wait? Whats a Venator? :lol:

[Teradyn_pff]

Why not just take out the Broadside? No one gives a rat's a** about that useless piece of crap.

 

LOL, I agree. I do think that the Venator should be in as an early tech ship. It feels like we don't really have much tech advancement available in this game so far, like upgrading from tie fighters to tie interceptors, Acclimator to Victory SD, etc. It seems to me that all current ships will be available and the only upgrades will be +2 to armor, etc.

 

That being said, I do think that the removal of the Venator isn't half as bad as the exclusion of certain ships that were seen in the movies, Tie Interceptors, along with the inclusion of ships that were seen at the same time, Mon Cal. None of that makes sense, and promotes more of a unit-to-unit cookie cutter balance than a side-to-side balance.

 

Hmmm, I just thought of something, what if the main reason for removing the Venator is because they couldn't balance it? (although I still will shout "AHA, I TOLD YOU SO" if there is a clone wars expansion) If the Venator was correctly implemented, then it would be able to produce its fighter complement with a much faster timer than the victory SD or the ISD to represent its larger carrying capacity. Although this could be balanced by it only having lower tech fighters, but since it appears that the Tie Fighter, Tie Scout (wtf?) and Tie Bomber are the only ships available to the Empire, then that wouldn't work.

 

Peffff, I wonder where the cut originated? Petroglyph or LEC? Expansion prep or balance issues? This would be nice to know.

[noian]

I know there's a lot of these but would you like the Venator in or not?

I'll laugh if you choose 'what's a venator?'

I'm thinking there's going to be a rebel who will choose no.

If only I added a 'I don't care as long as the moders add it in' or 'as long as the game is good.' as options.

 

Edit: Hey, someone fixed the thread name, thx.

 

 

Wait? Whats a Venator? :lol:

Very Funny Star Wars Man...........lol.....no i'm serious..................................

...

not

[Dorkthehunter]

Have you ever seen the Venerator in any EU book or SW original trilogy movie???? Some people may think that EU stinks, but it doesn't mention the Venerators near this time period and Victory class are all over this time period. But about the Broadside......people fear the unknown and learn to hate it! Don't do that! Don't judge something before you've used it! Please.

[Nevets]

Have you ever seen the Venerator in any EU book or SW original trilogy movie???? Some people may think that EU stinks, but it doesn't mention the Venerators near this time period and Victory class are all over this time period. But about the Broadside......people fear the unknown and learn to hate it! Don't do that! Don't judge something before you've used it! Please.

 

maybe, because it hasn't had time to be written in EU, give it time its popularity will get it in there. And a lot of stuff is in this game that isn't in the OT, Acclamator, Pod Walker, other clone wars stuff...

[Little.B]

As I wrote in the other thread:

 

They had it in, they saw that it does not fit the needs of the game and so they decited to take it out. Thats it.

 

We cannot judge if the Venator would have fitted in. The developers at Petroglyph can. They decited it does not and so we have to live with it. Do you really think they will throw away the work of the devs which are responsible for game balancing because some fans want the Venator back in? Be realistic...

 

You have two choices: 1) Accept the devs decision or 2) don't buy the game.

[Zer_Teron]

Its not the devs decision its L"FC"EC.

 

BTW, the Venator was in the same time peroid as the first Victorys, and the first ISD was finished a couple of weeks after the end of the Clone Wars.

[Guest]

Oddly enough the venator was actually made after the victory (according to the ROTS incredible cross-sections) proving that the venator is more usefull than the victory.

 

 

I also don't like some of the rules of upgrading where you finish the reasearch then *poof* your units suddenly change in appearence. I don't think that will happen if EAW but upgrading should give you the option to build the better ship with the option to still build (or at least keep) the old thing.

 

As soon as the empire made better vehicles they didn't go and destroy the old ones right? so your fleet could still have some venators and acclamators and whatnot right?

 

I hated in SWGB when you had to upgrade your cool looking TIE interceptors into those weird looking TIE defenders.

[noian]

Help spread the word by adding this to your sig(you can play around with it a bit)

 

Bring Back the Venator, Vote HERE NOW!

Then Vote HERE!

[SirNuke]

How about my new sig?

 

Seriously, though, listen to Little.B. 6 months from now there will be plenty of Star Wars mods that add 'missing units' in, and more importantly the game will still be fun, rather than having a game that's fun for a month because they choose the route of perfect Star Wars emulation.

[Xenomorphine]

That being said, I do think that the removal of the Venator isn't half as bad as the exclusion of certain ships that were seen in the movies, Tie Interceptors, along with the inclusion of ships that were seen at the same time, Mon Cal. None of that makes sense, and promotes more of a unit-to-unit cookie cutter balance than a side-to-side balance.

 

When was the Assault Gunboat meant to have been created?

[Stellar_Magic]

I'm not sure, It may have entered service around the Empire Strikes Back. I don't recall it appearing in a game before that... well, I'd have to try and get my old copy of X-wing to work to check and see if its in there.