Stellar_Magic Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Will units gain veterancy over time? If so, how will this be applied to both ground and space forces?Since the battles rage fast and furious, the likelyhood of forces surviving for a long period of time makes veterancy moot. However, heroes will persisit, and since they offer such a dramatic shift in power when in battles, they act as your veterans, so-to speak. Well darn, It seems I'll have something massive to mod. Forum and RPG Membership:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/StellarMagic01/RaporaWarsTC.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/StellarMagic01/RaporaWarsRPG2.jpg Signature:Sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from Magic. -Arthur C. Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkthehunter Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Why? We don't need to add a verterancy system. The units don't live long enough anyway! Protecting the world from those who have an IQ higher than 30! Huzzah! Trust me...I'm a professional. Some other members and I are trying to be superheroes and save the forums. But we can't do it on our own. We need your help! Join us! http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5380/pffuserbar2modnp0.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JediIgor Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Why? We don't need to add a verterancy system. The units don't live long enough anyway! Yes, that's what they said, and then they said that stormtrooper come in companies of 6.. so don't you think if you are a smart commander at least the leader of the squad will survive? Of course, this isn't like Total War where a unit size is 60 where more likely then not the units will rout before getting all killed . Seems like an interesting omission nevertheless though. I certainly planned on having troops that didn't die . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkthehunter Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 The stormtroopers are in groups of over 30 at least. Look at the screenshots and videos! This isn't BFME people, where they are in groups of 6! Protecting the world from those who have an IQ higher than 30! Huzzah! Trust me...I'm a professional. Some other members and I are trying to be superheroes and save the forums. But we can't do it on our own. We need your help! Join us! http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5380/pffuserbar2modnp0.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JediIgor Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 The stormtroopers are in groups of over 30 at least. Look at the screenshots and videos! This isn't BFME people, where they are in groups of 6! Oh, that's all one company? In that case this does seem like an interesting oversight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little.B Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 In the Games Convention "demo" stormies came in very, very large numbers and died in those. So they have no use for getting experience. I think the same fits to TIE Fighters http://www.pexsus.com/~littleb/eaw/banner_eaw.jpgFeel the ForceIRC (QuakeNet): #empireatwar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JediIgor Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 In the Games Convention "demo" stormies came in very, very large numbers and died in those. So they have no use for getting experience. I think the same fits to TIE Fighters Okay... but what about an elite AT-AT squadron, or better yet an elite X-Wing squadron? Or just space ships in general? I know if I build an ISD it will probably last for many battles... Plus, can't ships retreat from space battles?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra848 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Well at least we won't have to worry about kepting our vets alive, only our heros. Also wonn't have to milk my enemy to get all my forces to elite status. I'll just have to wipe them out, all of them. I must not fearFear is the mind-killerFear is the little death that brings total obliterationI will face my fearI will permit it to pass over me and through meAnd when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its pathWhere the fear has gone there will be nothingOnly I will remain-- The Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fearfrom the novel Dune by Frank Herberthttp://www.petroglyphgames.com/images/hierarchy_banner1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juggernaut1985 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Well darn, It seems I'll have something massive to mod. You won't be able to impliment it becuase its not in the core part of the game(ie in the exe) Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JediIgor Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Well darn, It seems I'll have something massive to mod. You won't be able to impliment it becuase its not in the core part of the game(ie in the exe) Sorry. They said we can change as much as the designers change, so if enough of the engine is stubbed then I don't see why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avaris Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Will units gain veterancy over time? If so, how will this be applied to both ground and space forces? Since the battles rage fast and furious, the likelyhood of forces surviving for a long period of time makes veterancy moot. However, heroes will persisit, and since they offer such a dramatic shift in power when in battles, they act as your veterans, so-to speak. Fast and furious, high number of deaths... sounds more like C&C than Star Wars And I'm concerned about what "dramatic shift" means? I like the star wars units more than the star wars heros. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JediIgor Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Will units gain veterancy over time? If so, how will this be applied to both ground and space forces? Since the battles rage fast and furious, the likelyhood of forces surviving for a long period of time makes veterancy moot. However, heroes will persisit, and since they offer such a dramatic shift in power when in battles, they act as your veterans, so-to speak. Fast and furious, high number of deaths... sounds more like C&C than Star Wars And I'm concerned about what "dramatic shift" means? I like the star wars units more than the star wars heros. Oh well. Still... even in C&C units gained veterancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar_Magic Posted November 12, 2005 Author Share Posted November 12, 2005 Hopefully JI is right in that we'll be able to add and change everything the designers were able to. If thats the case it should be relatively (From a scripting standpoint) to create a veterancy system. In order to know that however, we've got to get a good look at the code and scripting. I personally would like to have a dynamic system where Experience is represented almost like another healthbar and the number of experience points a unit has the better its performance will be. This could probably be set up by a simple equation. Forum and RPG Membership:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/StellarMagic01/RaporaWarsTC.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/StellarMagic01/RaporaWarsRPG2.jpg Signature:Sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from Magic. -Arthur C. Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 this is rubbish, battles are not "fast and furious" they last more than 5 minutes which movies and such are trying to say they do, they last hours, if not days/weeks/months. a raid is fast and furious, a battle is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Vader Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 but but but...... it goes like this heroes = units + experience + luck since luck + experience = vetrean, a hero is just a advanced vetran really its all soo topsy turvey now! I've have you now - Lord Vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Relentless Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 But didn't Delphi mention things like shield upgrades etc., in one thread? If we can upgrade the living hell out of non-hero ships, I dont mind not having an experience system. Go Leafs go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkmark Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 DOW, which we all know is one of those recent, very popular games doesn't have veterancy. Sure I would have liked it, but it isn't a necessity. Experience and veterancy was one of those things I was expecting not to make it in game fully, with the exception being I thought heroes might have it. I'm guessing from their response Heroes don't at all, but I would have liked to see them level up. "And the moral of the story is: Appreciate what you've got, because basically; I'm fantastic." ~ Holly, Red Dwarfhttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/Lord_Darkmark/Forcedbanner01.jpghttp://www.starwarsforced.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avaris Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 my post was a bit unclear. I was less concerned with the lack of verterans and more about the description of the battles. "Fast and Furious" "High % of mortality" "Super Heros" I had always thought of star wars conflict as slow and deliberate. More about retreating when you are beat than suffering high losses. And heros being a great help to their forces, but not central. Maybe its my view of star wasr that is wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logain Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 hopefully if the base game is too fast, the modders will slow it down for us purists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiftdraw Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Well darn, It seems I'll have something massive to mod. You won't be able to impliment it becuase its not in the core part of the game(ie in the exe) Sorry. Not nessicarly. UT2k4 had a mutator called UT2004RPG that has an experience system they coded from scratch. So I'm guessing you can create a experience system for EaW, but it'll just be a pain to do so because the coding will have to be all original. I'm now teh lurker.http://miniprofile.xfire.com/bg/bg/type/2/swiftdraw.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avaris Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 is there already a team making a reality mod? Seems like speed of battle, verterns, balanced heros and maybe squadron size should be high on the list of things to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar_Magic Posted November 13, 2005 Author Share Posted November 13, 2005 Yeah, I am, but we really haven't started to work on it since we don't know everything we'll want to fix yet or how much room we have to maneuver. We'll have to see the scripting and coding in the game first. Forum and RPG Membership:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/StellarMagic01/RaporaWarsTC.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/StellarMagic01/RaporaWarsRPG2.jpg Signature:Sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from Magic. -Arthur C. Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphi-PG Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 They said we can change as much as the designers change, so if enough of the engine is stubbed then I don't see why not. There is no hard code for this, so you can't change it. Delphi-PGGame Designer/Community Rephttp://www.petroglyphgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar_Magic Posted November 13, 2005 Author Share Posted November 13, 2005 Good to see you Delphi, I keep telling them I don't know cause I haven't seen the way the game is set up... Okay, here's an alternative... In build mode you have the option of building Highly Trained, Trained, and Untrained versions of unit... Trained and Highly Trained cost more and take longer to build then Untrained units as well being more expensive. They'll also fire farther, see farther, and aim better then the basic run of the mill troops. There is an accuracy parameter, right Delphi? If there's minimum and maximum range values as well as the ability to script in multiple weapons we could also trick the game into having troops seem to have an AI for determining what manner to engage the enemy in. Say at 100-50 meters the stormies fire single shots (Most Accurate)50-25 meters they fire three shot bursts (Mid Accuracy)25-0 They fire their weapons at full auto (Least Accuracy) Hopefully we'll also be able to script in the use of grenades and thermal detonators by soldiers. Forum and RPG Membership:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/StellarMagic01/RaporaWarsTC.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/StellarMagic01/RaporaWarsRPG2.jpg Signature:Sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from Magic. -Arthur C. Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphi-PG Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 In build mode you have the option of building Highly Trained, Trained, and Untrained versions of unit... Trained and Highly Trained cost more and take longer to build then Untrained units as well being more expensive. They'll also fire farther, see farther, and aim better then the basic run of the mill troops. This you could do since you are only making a variant of a unit type. I do it all the time for demos. Delphi-PGGame Designer/Community Rephttp://www.petroglyphgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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