By the look of the screens...(for imperial ships)

[Samheyn]

Things from the movies are just facts fans used to get by comparing ships seen from different angles or the actual ship models. Personaly I think that these sources aren't canon... yes, the guys of the ultra-realistic-faction say that everything seen in the movies is right and lucas himself does not know what size one or another ship is in reality... but I don't care about this. Most canon sources say that there is no mon cal that is longer or better armed than any imperial-class star destroyer and that the only reason the mon cal can go head on head with a star destroyer is that it has very good shields. Did those fans who compared the movies models ever think about the sizes beeing just used because of technical reasons ? Perhaps some had to be bigger so that the fighter models would fit in certain scenes or you could see small details on their hull. Perhaps the movies never claimed to be 100% realistic and the facts used in the vehicles guide or in most of the lucas games are just how the ships were ment to be. To me this seems much more logical.. think about it.. why should a ship hide that could easily outgun every imperial ship it encounters ? If I had a ship 2 times the size of a imperial star destroyer I would have used it for direct attacks on the empires main fleet bases... but in fact the rebels only used the mon cals as fleet carriers and command ships.

[Stellar_Magic]

Is it stated in a canon source that the Independence is the Home One? I know Home One sounds like a call-sign, but they've made it into a naming technique for some of the Mon Calamari cities, so I'm in doubt.

 

Well its not Canon per say but in the game X-wing Alliance (When you play through the battle of Endor) there is no Home One, just Independence.

[Zer_Teron]

The Home One was 1,800 Meters in length

[Naja]

The Home One was 1,800 Meters in length.

The Home One is around 3000 meters.

Period.

 

Where are your (canon) references? Speculations that you make while watching the movies don't count. The only canon reference (The Star Wars Database) to Mon Calimari Cruisers' length says that they are all around 1200 meters in length. This includes Independence-class Cruisers.

[Nevets]

Where are your (canon) references? Speculations that you make while watching the movies don't count. The only canon reference (The Star Wars Database) to Mon Calimari Cruisers' length says that they are all around 1200 meters in length. This includes Independence-class Cruisers.

 

The database length is a generalization, it doesn't specify what cruiser it is talking about, anyone could tell you Home one is larger than the rest of the mon cals (even the people who say it smaller than 3000m) Any way I search Home Ones length it shows up as 3000m-3800m.

[Samheyn]

Just name one Lucas related ressource that says the home one is larger than 1600 km. As I said before, things you get from the movies are no prove and non lucas sources which don't explain where they got the info from can't be taken for real.

[Naja]

Even Star Wars Rebellion, which many take to be the extension of Lucas' canon AND EU canon...lists all Calimari Cruisers as 1200 meters.

 

As someone said, RPG stats are moot in the face of canon.

[JediKnightNathan]

the only way we could find out the true lengths it to go to the original modles (where ever they are, if they still exist), work out the length, and then work on the scale.

 

with all the modles mybe we could work out a new cannon. One that everybody would talk notice of.

[AT-AP]

Well its not Canon per say but in the game X-wing Alliance (When you play through the battle of Endor) there is no Home One, just Independence.

Was Ackbar in command of it at the time of the battle? If not, it might just prove a secondary ship of that type.

 

And guys, knock it off. An RPG source that contradicts the movies (ergo what we see on-screen) is wrong. It's as simple as that. The Executor was 8000m according to RPG books for decades, then they made it out to be 12000m as a "compromise" between the arguing factions. Now, finally even the OS has made it 19000m, like the ITW:OT did last year. This is all due to people scaling it in the actual film (as well as looking at the film when ISDs pass by it and seeing that it can't be just 5 times bigger) and proving their points to the people in charge. Nothing that can't be done for the Home One as well.

 

Scaling shows its between 3000-3800m? Then that trumps book sources, which are the ones you're all quoting. If you're interested in having numbers in SW, go out and learn about scaling and measurements if you want to disprove the HO length.

[Zer_Teron]

I compare these two sites http://www.galacticempiredatabank.com/Main.html, and this one http://hangarbay.tripod.com/td-icapital.html with Wiki and the Star Wars databank to come up with my answers.

 

Not everything can be based off the films, offical Star Wars books and Websites are much more accurate, dont bother trying to scale them with other ships in the movies BECAUSE SCALING IS NEVER THAT GOOD

[AT-AP]

Not everything can be based off the films, offical Star Wars books and Websites are much more accurate, dont bother trying to scale them with other ships in the movies BECAUSE SCALING IS NEVER THAT GOOD

Written words mean little if they're not well-researched. All those pages simply re-iterate WEG and other RPG sources, which did not do a good job at finding their numbers.

 

Scaling has proven more successful than just guessing a number and putting it in a book, and coupled with quotes from film crew, they built a better case for the Executor-lenght, which led to it getting a written length more in tune with the films and the film-crew's intentions.

 

Hopefully, one day the HO size will follow suit, if it hasn't done so in a source already.

[Zer_Teron]

Offical Star Wars books, im talking about the Episode 1-7 and the other stuff Lucas made canon

[AT-AP]

First of all, its 1-6.

Second of all, nothing in the films say anything about lengths and what you've just been writing. Third of all, things can change (and have changed) from book to book, and Lucas doesn't really care about all that (which is why he delegates these matters to other people).

 

If we followed the books without checking other sources, we'd have that Vader was decapitated and killed right after Yavin (from Splinter of the Mind's Eye).

[Nevets]

First of all, its 1-6.

Second of all, nothing in the films say anything about lengths and what you've just been writing. Third of all, things can change (and have changed) from book to book, and Lucas doesn't really care about all that (which is why he delegates these matters to other people).

 

If we followed the books without checking other sources, we'd have that Vader was decapitated and killed right after Yavin (from Splinter of the Mind's Eye).

 

Its true, there are no "official lengths" Lucas and his crew never came up with the exact lengths, it is just people working with licensing make stuff up. The lengths often change, look at the SSD. There are lengths that make sense and those that don't. The ones that knew this knew the SSDs length since the debates started.

[AT-AP]

The only original statement provided by members of the film crew was that Vader's command ship was meant to be eleven times bigger than an ordinary destroyer.

 

Since they had made them out to be "a mile long" each (1609m), this meant that it would be approx. 17699m long. With measurements done for ESB and ROTJ (most notably by Curtis Saxton), the size was determined to be between 17000m (the most conservative estimate) and 19000m (the most extreme). Turns out Lucasfilm liked 19000m the best when putting the size in the ITW:OT.

 

With the film-measurements allowing for that number, the case was finally settled and even the slow-updating Official Site (run by Pablo Hidalgo, a former WEG-employee. Hmmm, no bias there, no Siree. ) changed its profile.

[Nevets]

The only original statement provided by members of the film crew was that Vader's command ship was meant to be eleven times bigger than an ordinary destroyer.

 

Since they had made them out to be "a mile long" each (1609m), this meant that it would be approx. 17699m long. With measurements done for ESB and ROTJ (most notably by Curtis Saxton), the size was determined to be between 17000m (the most conservative estimate) and 19000m (the most extreme). Turns out Lucasfilm liked 19000m the best when putting the size in the ITW:OT.

 

With the film-measurements allowing for that number, the case was finally settled and even the slow-updating Official Site (run by Pablo Hidalgo, a former WEG-employee. Hmmm, no bias there, no Siree. ) changed its profile.

 

Yea those lengths are similar tho, there were people out there saying it was only 8000m.

[AT-AP]

Yep, the '8000m' came from WEG-sources primarily.

 

Can't remember if anyone wrote it before that, but WEG-derived information definitely dominated the EU scene before the Millennium-shift. Not to say they didn't bring anything good to the SW universe (I love most of the vehicles they added), they just flubbed dimensions and weapons-capabilities for movie-vehicles and kept things minimalistic.

More often than not, the latter was due to the RPG-conflicts they described being small-scale ones. Unfortunately, "small-scale" became the norm almost every time someone would describe, say, fleet-battles in a book.

 

It became so bad, in recent times I've had to debate people who put their fingers in their ears every time someone mentions ships bigger than ISDs, yet smaller than Executors. And that the Executors are destroyers (which they can't be, due to difference in both size and weaponry). Furthermore, they're very eager to defend "old-school" EU and use 'SSD' for anything bigger than an ISD (as if a full size-spectrum of warships would occupy the same functions and belong to the same group.)

[JanGaarni]

"Dr David West Reynolds (author of various Star Wars books, and has access to the Star Wars vault) has provided precise measurements of the original Home One model. The overall ship's length is 239.0cm, and the hangar's hole in the hull is 8.2cm wide at the widest point. The base of the platform is 5.4cm and the edge is 5.0cm wide. The hangar width measurement agrees exactly with the photomosaic result. Using the figures for the hangar platform based on the interior picture and the ILM model yields an absolute length of 3.84±0.08km (according to platform edge) 3.69±0.08km (according to platform base). These ranges are overlap; an appropriate combined result is 3.76±0.10km."

 

You can read up more here.

 

Movies take precedence above all other sources, except where there are obvious flaws (like the imperial rank badges in RotJ). Since the hangarbay has to be a minimum size for the Lambda class to get thru it, the movies prevail above any other source.

It is the ultimate canon.

There's nothing above, and nothing next to it.

[AT-AP]

Nice. I've seen other film-models being studied on the Tech Commentaries-site, but I forgot about the Home One-model.

 

Hmm, instead of a compromise length, wouldn't it be better to follow the length by using the edge of the platform? (If this covers the exit from wall to wall, that is.) Or is it a case of "interior floor goes past the hangar-opening, while the exit floor doesn't cover the entire exit-length" so they had to compromise?

[JanGaarni]

I'm not sure I follow you there.

[AT-AP]

English isn't my first language, so I don't understand what they mean by "platform edge" and "platform base".

 

Is it something like this:

 

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/CptK/moncaldoor.jpg

 

Thus warranting a compromise between lengths? Or an intermediate?

[Hadoken13]

ok first WHOA lots of arguing over some really off topic i don't even remember the topic...oh wait ya imperial ships...hmmmm

secong what is this book you all seem to be refering to the ***:**

what did they change and when????!?!

[Zer_Teron]

The onlything Vader lost in Splinter of the Minds Eye, was his prostectic arm and dignity.

[AT-AP]

The onlything Vader lost in Splinter of the Minds Eye, was his prostectic arm and dignity.

Exactly. After a revision was done. Which is what is needed sometimes to deal with inconsistencies.

[Zer_Teron]

When i first read it i thought Luke had lost his hand , but after about 5 or 8 rereads i caught it. I really have to much spare time, 74 Star Wars books each read 20 or 30 times