By the look of the screens...(for imperial ships)

[Naja]

The Liberty-subclasses would be around 1200m in length, thus making each Home One-type ship approx. twice the size of an Imperator.

 

Que? The ISD was 1.6 kilometers in length. That's 400 meters longer than this longest Mon Cal.

 

http://www.galacticempiredatabank.com/ISD.html

[AT-AP]

Que? The ISD was 1.6 kilometers in length. That's 400 meters longer than this longest Mon Cal.

 

The Liberty-subclasses would be around 1200m in length, thus making each Home One-type ship approx. twice the size of an Imperator.

 

I go by measurements from the film, not random made-up facts from an RPG.

 

Hell, you don't even have to measure things to see the Home One is massive, just look at the initial shot of the fighters flying through the fleet right before the Hyperspace jump. There's a "wingless Liberty" to the right of the screen, coming up towards the camera. The Home One (or a ship like it), is to the left and almost stationary in comparison. Even people with rudimentary sense of depth and perception can see that the Home One ship is further back and thus bigger than the cruiser to the right.

 

The pic in question:

 

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/CptK/wingless.jpg

 

(it's easier to see in movement)

 

And, just for comparison, two models constructed by ILM:

 

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/CptK/homeone.jpg

Home One

 

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/CptK/Liberty.jpg

Liberty

 

And the third is in the fleet-pic above. The Liberty and its wingless sister-design are more "flat" compared to the pickle-shaped Home One.

 

There's even mention in one of the ROTJ production books of how the crew changed one of the two initial models into a third, by ripping out one engine and adding wings. (With accompanying pics.)

[Zer_Teron]

Just a MC-80a and b in those pictures. Size does not measure weapondry, it did have stronger shields but it had only had 29 Turbolasers, and 36 Ion Cannons to the Imperials 60 Turbolasers and Ion Cannons. The MC-80b could not defeat an Imperial in a strait fight so how would you expect a larger ship with smaller weapondry to?

[AT-AP]

Just a MC-80a and b in those pictures

Neither of them are MC-80's. The accompanying drawings of MC-80a's and b's do not look like the ROTJ ships, and can't really be of the same class. And I don't understand how a bigger ship can possibly have less armament than a smaller one, unless the Mon Cals don't utilize the surface area properly.

 

Here's some images of the MC-80a and its various forms through the years (coming from some sources which states the MC-80a to be a post-Endor design and some which states it as pre-Endor. Either way, no real similarity with the ROTJ ones):

 

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/CptK/MC-80as.jpg

 

And here's the Mon Remonda (MC-80b). Also a post-Endor design:

 

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/CptK/MC-80b.jpg

 

None of which look like the ships from ROTJ.

 

Keep in mind, if something is supposed to be of the same class, it can't look too dissimilar to others of the class. I can understand minor things like the assymetrical "bumps" being in different positions on the hull, and likewise for the guns. However, when you start to fiddle with the ship's length and the number of engines, you do move away from the original design and into a new class.

For comparison, would you say the Imperator and Venator are the same, just because they're Star Destroyers and can carry ships and ground troops? Or the Victory and Venator?

[Teradyn_pff]

Just a MC-80a and b in those pictures. Size does not measure weapondry, it did have stronger shields but it had only had 29 Turbolasers, and 36 Ion Cannons to the Imperials 60 Turbolasers and Ion Cannons. The MC-80b could not defeat an Imperial in a strait fight so how would you expect a larger ship with smaller weapondry to?

 

Take the comparison between a battleship and an aircraft carrier from the world war I and II eras. In a straight confrontation between the two, the carrier would be totally screwed. Now Home One had more fighter capacity to make up for the relatively smaller weaponry, but if the empire had enough fighters to counter this, then you are left with the Home One and an ISD duking it out ship-to-ship and the Home One would be hosed.

[AT-AP]

If the Home One-type ships are at the same level as the regular types, then I don't see any reason to make them 'hero units'. Or command-ships in general SW. Since Lucasarts want to make the Home One a hero unit (and therefore stronger than regular cruisers), it can't actually be "just like all the others".

[Teradyn_pff]

If the Home One-type ships are at the same level as the regular types, then I don't see any reason to make them 'hero units'. Or command-ships in general SW. Since Lucasarts want to make the Home One a hero unit (and therefore stronger than regular cruisers), it can't actually be "just like all the others".

Well, I don't think that the Home One will be like the regular types. It will probably be able to take on a ISD and win easily in the game. That is why it would have to be modded to be corrected. Besides, was Home One's retrofit finished before the Battle of Yavin?

[AT-AP]

have to be modded to be corrected

Corrected into what? Being a push-over for the ISDs?

 

Sorry if I don't quite believe that the Alliance's most powerful ship would be taken out by a single Imperator.

 

And I don't know if the Alliance had those kinds of ships ready before ANH. In fact, I can't remember seeing them so far in the classic SW comics, either.

[Stellar_Magic]

I think Evillejedi's explanation of the ship classes is the most logical explanation and sorting of the different classes of Mon Cal Cruisers.

 

What We've seen in the screenshots for Mon Cal Cruisers:

 

MC-80 Liberty Class Cruiser

Armament: 40 Turbolasers 30 Ion Cannons

Length: 1200 meters

 

Independence Class Cruiser (aka Home One)

Armament: 16 Turbolasers

Length: 3900

 

None of the ships in any of the films are part of the MC-80a or of the MC-80b. All we see in the films are the Independence Class, MC-80 Liberty Class, MC-80 Marius Class, and maybe the MC-80 Maximus Class.

[AT-AP]

None of the ships in any of the films are part of the MC-80a or of the MC-80b.

Agreed.

 

All we see in the films are the Independence Class, MC-80 Liberty Class, MC-80 Marius Class, and maybe the MC-80 Maximus Class.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!? O___o

 

I've heard the Independence being used as a class-name for the HO, but I was under the impression that was fanon. And the other seem just as suspicous. Which source do you have those from?

 

EDIT: Ah, the Warlords site. They use canon designs in their 3D ships, but the names are sometimes invented by them for classes that aren't named. I believe the three names above go under this definition.

 

And I also found that Independence was a pre-Yavin ship used by Ackbar as his flagship. Apparently, this was of the same class as the Home One.

[Stellar_Magic]

Actually the Mon Calamari Cruiser Independence is "Home One". "Home One" is just a callsign utilized at Endor much the same way as "Gold Leader" is the Millenium Falcon and "Red Leader" is Rogue One.

 

I recognize they make up names on much of their vessels, but I think they're pretty valid for describing the ships considering that LEC has so much in the canon which isn't given any names.

[AT-AP]

Yeah, that is true. I'm almost waiting for them to shrug their shoulders and plant "Allegiance-class somethingsomething" on those Dark Empire ships to get it over with.

 

Is it stated in a canon source that the Independence is the Home One? I know Home One sounds like a call-sign, but they've made it into a naming technique for some of the Mon Calamari cities, so I'm in doubt.

[Nevets]

I think we can agree to disagree that no one really has official names for these and Petro can call them whatever they want because they are probably as lost as we are.

[AT-AP]

Well, that's a bit harsh. It wouldn't be difficult if they just picked some numbers below 80, slapped on an "MC-" and voilá, three new Mon Cal classes to add to their line. Problem solved.

They did this with the Gallofree Yards transports last year (GR-45 and GR-75), they could do it again with the Mon Cals and be rid of that particular fan-headache.

 

Not to keep this debate going indefinitly, but my pet peeve is that it would take Lucas Licensing approximately five minutes to physically write down three new serial numbers, paste them next to each respective movie-model, take a picture and put it on the official side. Instant canon! ;P

[Nevets]

Well, that's a bit harsh. It wouldn't be difficult if they just picked some numbers below 80, slapped on an "MC-" and voilá, three new Mon Cal classes to add to their line. Problem solved.

They did this with the Gallofree Yards transports last year (GR-45 and GR-75), they could do it again with the Mon Cals and be rid of that particular fan-headache.

 

True but that wouldn't be petros dealings, it would have to be LEC.

[AT-AP]

Yep, and I'm sorry if it sounded like I dragged Petro into this mess. :/

[JanGaarni]

I think we can agree to disagree that no one really has official names for these and Petro can call them whatever they want because they are probably as lost as we are.

Not if it's been established before. That would only make the confussion even worse.

[Zer_Teron]

The Independance is not a class, it was a ship. Home One was Admiral Ackbars ship for a long time until he switched to the newer Galactic Voyager. THE HOME ONE IS NOT A CLASS, AND COULD NEVER TAKE ON AN IMPERIAL IN A STRAIT OUT FIGHT. Size does not describe weapondry, for example a ship could be bigger than the Death Star but still only have a token array of guns probably even get PAWNED by 2 or 3 Imperials.

[AT-AP]

To be fair, a ship the size of the DS would still need a good few hits from two ISDs before actually keeling over, even if it had zero guns.

 

And I wasn't saying Home One was a genuine class-name, only a provisional one for a group of distinct ships, like the Home One and the Independence.

 

I'd still reckon the additional shielding on the Home One would give it a slight edge on a single ISD, if only to contribute to the depletion of the destroyer's ammunition.

[Naja]

I go by measurements from the film, not random made-up facts from an RPG.

 

ISD = 1.6 kilometers

http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/imperialstardestroyer/index.html

 

Mon Cal Cruiser = 1.2 kilometers

http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/moncalamaristarcruiser/index.html

No distinction is made, either, between Admiral Ackbar's flagship's length, and the length of a standard Mon Calimari Starcruiser.

 

As for the Imperator's power, it only makes sense for it to be the stronger warship. The Empire used the ISDs as flagships for fleets consisting of thousands of support vessels. One Star Destroyer costs more than the GDP of an entire planet, and expends more energy in a single hyperspace jump than some civilizations use in their entire history. The relevance?! Something this over-the-top should be the more powerful.

 

Besides, the Rebels have the fighter advantage, while the Imperials have the later-stage capital ship advantage. It only makes sense for balancing reasons, if but for nothing more.

[TSKNF]

Personally I am unhappy that Home one is not that much longer than an ISD...it's ment to be much longer.

 

It would also be nice to see the MC90. My proposed unit list:

 

-MC40

-MC80

-MC90

-Home one

[Naja]

No Mon Cal was longer than an ISD. Period. It's stated in the EU, and even on the canon website.

 

They were meant to be comparable heavy-hitters to Imperial flagships like Star Destroyers, but they were not equals.

 

The Rebels evened the battle by their fighter superiority. It would be unfair to the Imperials to give the Rebels superior heavy starships -and- superior fighters.

[TSKNF]

No Mon Cal was longer than an ISD. Period. It's stated in the EU, and even on the canon website.

 

They were meant to be comparable heavy-hitters to Imperial flagships like Star Destroyers, but they were not equals.

 

The Rebels evened the battle by their fighter superiority. It would be unfair to the Imperials to give the Rebels superior heavy starships -and- superior fighters.

 

Home one is often put at around 3000 metres in length. Other Mon cals were about that side but H1 was massive.

[Samheyn]

The Rebels evened the battle by their fighter superiority. It would be unfair to the Imperials to give the Rebels superior heavy starships -and- superior fighters.

 

Later on the rebels didn't even have the fighter superiority(Tie MKII,Avenger, Advanced or how you want to call it was just much better than everything the rebels could ever develop or even produce not even to mention the Defender or Missile Boat.. even the Gunboats!).. I think the rebels won the war by hit-and-run tactics, overwhelming civil support and the fact that they never underestimated the power of their enemy while the emperor thought the force would tell him everything, even the tactics of his enemys (and he underestimated that his own strategy wasn't able to correct the difficulties that appeared because of the strong will of the rebels to overthrow his regime). They never wanted to face the Empire head on at all. The only reason they started a massive attack on the deathstar was the fact that they knew that the emperor was there to supervise it's final phase of construction and they had these infos the botan spys were allowed to pass on to the rebels so they ran into this trap.

[JanGaarni]

The Home One is around 3000 meters.

Period.

 

For the Lambda Class shuttle to fit thru the hangar bay, the Home Ones minimum lenght has to be 2.5 kilometers. That's the bare minimum lenght.

Upper lenght would be around 3.8 km.

 

So 3 km lenght for the Home One isn't too large.

 

And that's going by the movies strictly.