NSO Story Development Discussion (SPOILERS)

[Defender_16]

Note: When this thread gets further along I will add a disclaimer to the heading about (SPOILERS) .

 

As I'm trying to figure out how the newest sections of the New Sith Order will be written some very important things pop out.

 

I'm not entirely certain how various fections would respond under the situations I'm putting forward.

 

A good example is the Empire. While I know how an Imperial battle fleet would respond to threats inside of the Theatre, I actually know very little about the governmental processes. Most of my knowledge of the Empire is post-Endor or Post-Coruscant. I just don't know enough about how Palpatine would have run the Empire.

 

I know even less about the Hutts and less than I would like about the Corporate Sector. (I read the Han Solo Trilogy but that was set years before even Episode 4.)

 

I'm open to decussion and ideas and will eventually post some maps here which will deffinitely contain spoilers. I need help, but anyone who does help will ultimately have a great deal of the story suprise ruined for them.

Edited April 6, 2007 by Defender_16

[DarthTex]

I'll help as much as I can Def. I'm not really worried about spoilers, I'm just in it for the entertainment I haven't read the Han Solo trilogy (not to self: visit the local library!), and like you, don't know much about the Corporate Sector. But I'm willing to do some Wookiepedia research and submit any logical deductions to keep your story rolling

[nordwindranger]

I'm in

[Paul]

From what I have read about how Palpatine ruled, he issued edicts which where then dealt with by the Grand Moffs, and Moffs. Said appointees dealt with the Military forces within their jurisdictions. Although it begs to be said that Palpy made all of the decisions, he had Vader and the various other Hands, Inquisitors and the like. Ask questions Defender and I will answer if I know the correct answer. - Grand Moff Conway

[Defender_16]

The Vong are reaching the end of their early "Hit" phase and will soon be progressing into the "Fade" phase of the invasion.

The early Hit, as is fairly apparent, was a lightning strike to capture and/or cripple as large of an area as possible before the Imperials could realise what was happening.

The Fade will consist of exfiltrating large portions of their fleets from the occupied region while the Empire tries to take it back. Hidden hyperspace routes provided by the Rebellion to nom Anor will assist in this.

 

So, Empire. A Big question here is do they go public with the Vong invasion to try to spurr recruitment or do they go for a coverup?

The New Republic tried for a coverup but that was easier since the invasion they faced was more of a slow and steady one. The Empire will essentially be facing Rebel style tactics just with the Vong's massive firepower.

 

The Hutts. I think BadS was commenting a bit on them. With the Rebellion having done so badly in the long years since Endor it's very likley for ex-Rebels to have signed on with the Hutt's Mercenary bands. Also I doubt they would have attempted yet to built their Darksaber. (Where would they have gotten the clone with the Empire still so powerful? ...It was a clone right? I never actually read the book.)

So we have some potentially powerful Hutt figures still alive that might otherwise not have been.

If Black Sun had still ended up getting it's head lopped off by the Empire I'm sure the Hutts would have had the good sense to pick up the pieces.

Lot's of options here.

 

The Corporate sector was anything but Neutral in the NJO books. They were essentially a Peace Brigade state ignoring any and all Vong activites. In this timeline The Rebellion at one point 'procured' several CSA Victory Destroyers and Marauder Corvettes. (Kre'fey lost most of them but that's beside the point.)

Peace Brige Stronghold, or potential Imperial Ally? Or perhaps have them court both sideds?

[DarthTex]

So, Empire. A Big question here is do they go public with the Vong invasion to try to spurr recruitment or do they go for a coverup?

The New Republic tried for a coverup but that was easier since the invasion they faced was more of a slow and steady one. The Empire will essentially be facing Rebel style tactics just with the Vong's massive firepower.

I think the Empire would initially pass off a couple of natural disasters on systems with rebel/pirate strikes on the Holo relays to delay Imperial relief response. That way the Empire can say rebels/pirates are preying upon defenseless citizens of the Empire. Then later on, the Empire can state that the rebels had made a pact with an alien race with new weapons to decimate the Empire and its citizens.

 

The Hutts. I think BadS was commenting a bit on them. With the Rebellion having done so badly in the long years since Endor it's very likley for ex-Rebels to have signed on with the Hutt's Mercenary bands. Also I doubt they would have attempted yet to built their Darksaber. (Where would they have gotten the clone with the Empire still so powerful? ...It was a clone right? I never actually read the book.)

So we have some potentially powerful Hutt figures still alive that might otherwise not have been.

If Black Sun had still ended up getting it's head lopped off by the Empire I'm sure the Hutts would have had the good sense to pick up the pieces.

Lot's of options here.

First off, scratch the Darksaber. The Hutts aren't going to get the technical help from Bevel as the Empire will be keeping him busy, and under a watchful eye Plus, they won't have the resources, especially with the Empire around and even if they did, the Empire would find out eventually (which would then lead to serious reprisals on the Hutts). The key question for you to decide Def, is whether Black Sun is still around or not? As this may impact how smugglers and the Hutts participate for the rest of the storyline. It's been a long time since I read Shadows of the Empire, so I don't really remember how Xizor "bought the farm". I just remember he was extremely competitive with Vader for the Emperor's attention. And I'm sure Palpy would use this to his advantage. I think I would lean toward keeping Black Sun around-and-kicking, as this could give you greater freedom with their actions. This would also give more competition between smugglers, with the Hutts helping the Vong, and Black Sun helping the Empire (and both working both sides). Just my two bits worth.

 

The Corporate sector was anything but Neutral in the NJO books. They were essentially a Peace Brigade state ignoring any and all Vong activites. In this timeline The Rebellion at one point 'procured' several CSA Victory Destroyers and Marauder Corvettes. (Kre'fey lost most of them but that's beside the point.)

Peace Brige Stronghold, or potential Imperial Ally? Or perhaps have them court both sideds?

Forget about the Peace Brigade as that type of action will not work against the Empire. The Corporate sector (I believe) will be working to make the greatest amount of money by selling to the Empire, the Rebels, and smugglers/pirates.

[nordwindranger]

Hmm I think the Empire would definitely go public. I see the rebels as more likely to go for cover ups and smear campaigns, where as the Empire is very patriotic. They would definitely make it into a recruiting drive.

"sign on for a tour of duty with the Imperial Army Reserve. Tour the galaxy and pay for college. Its your patriotic duty"

[nordwindranger]

As far as the CSA, I really can't imagine the Empire tolerating them, unless if they have sworn their allegiance. A war against the vong might prove the diversion to start taking space back from the CSA. They really don't seem like a galaxy class military force anyways.

[Paul]

Tex,

FYI Vader captured Xizors offhand remark that he was going to kill Luke (or his fleet would anyways) and told him to surrender or die - Xisor was too proud and Executor fired with all of its guns destroying his skyhook. I disagree with Tex in that I believe that without the info stored in Guris mind Black Sun could NOT be rebuilt. Guri was determined to get reprogrammed so that she would not be an assassin anymore and fought off numerous attempts to capture her. Just my 2 cents.

The Corporate Sector was Palpatines servant during the Empire and if Palpatine was alive (in one body or another) I believe he would destroy the Corporate .leaders if they rebelled or proved disloyal. Remember folks this is a strong and focussed Empire - not the Post Thrawn disaster that Palpatine inherited in the EU crappy timeline. Again my 2 cents. - Grand Moff Conway

[DarthTex]

Tex,

FYI Vader captured Xizors offhand remark that he was going to kill Luke (or his fleet would anyways) and told him to surrender or die - Xisor was too proud and Executor fired with all of its guns destroying his skyhook. I disagree with Tex in that I believe that without the info stored in Guris mind Black Sun could NOT be rebuilt. Guri was determined to get reprogrammed so that she would not be an assassin anymore and fought off numerous attempts to capture her. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks for the update Paul, I just couldn't remember. Also, I keep forgetting that this is based on an Imperial victory at Endor, not Yavin Saying that, I would agree with you Paul, but had the Empire won at Yavin, then Black Sun would still be alive & kickin'

[Paul]

No problem Tex glad to pass on the info. And I also agree with your assessment of the differences if the timeline were earlier dude. - Grand Moff Conway

[Defender_16]

Who's to say the Empire couldn't have won at both Yavin and Endor? Sure some of the Rebel leadership would have been killed at Yavin but I don't think Mon Mothma or Ackbar were there. Hell I'm still trying to decide what exactly happend with Luke.

[DarthTex]

Who's to say the Empire couldn't have won at both Yavin and Endor? Sure some of the Rebel leadership would have been killed at Yavin but I don't think Mon Mothma or Ackbar were there. Hell I'm still trying to decide what exactly happend with Luke.

Maybe he's still back at the ranch, farming moisture and raising little womprats

 

It's your story Def, just let us know how you want to setup the foundation parameters

[nordwindranger]

Luke pulls an Obi Wan, and disappears. perhaps he has become a pacifist

[Defender_16]

Actually I was thinking he goes to the Academy, Vader finds out about him and forces him into hiding so the Emperor doesn't try to replace Vader with him.

 

Just a thought...

 

I'm of the opinion that Xizor is deffinitely dead. One way or another he would have forced Vader to kill him eventully because of wanting vengance on him. Perhaps Durga could have swooped up more of Black Sun? I don't know what would happen to Guri.

 

Guri was determined to get reprogrammed so that she would not be an assassin anymore and fought off numerous attempts to capture her.

What book was that In Paul? The last time she's really mentioned in Shadows of the Empire is when one of the gliders near the Falcon fly away

obviously flown by Guri. (After her fight with Luke.)

 

Back onto the Corporate Sector, while not doing anything that could harm the Empire the CSA government broke one hell of a lot of laws that were standard in the Empire. And that was before Yavin even! Who's to say what went on after. I know they payed bribes to Palpatine to keep the Empire out of their business. The fact that the dying Old Republic/ Early Empire sold the Corporate Sector 300 Victory Destroyers must mean something. Still I doubt they'd be straight Imperial allied.

[Defender_16]

Double Post.

 

I have found it, the One Ring, er I mean my moment of inspiration!

I figured out where to send Dorja & Friends next off. Following Garqi Dorja is going to be given command of a new class of SSD.

Unfortunately it's not quite finished it's shakedown, and it'll be some time before it's supplied with the types of Starfighter squadrons Dorja wants.

 

While that's happening our Aged Admiral will be leading a large convoy escort bound for the Corporate Sector. A sort of Escort/Recon in force mission.

 

Guess I'll have to figure out where the CSA stands a little bit sooner rather than later.

[Defender_16]

Tripple post?

 

Not how I pictured to make my second 1,000th post but oh well.

 

I have at long last cleared the greatest hurdle in the NSO.

 

I got Jag outta the gaddammed forest! It's enough writing for two seperate posts but it's finished.

 

I'm desperate for any additional ideas that people can throw in here.

 

Oh forgot something or didn't notice it before.

 

Forget about the Peace Brigade as that type of action will not work against the Empire.

What about the Diversity Alliance? (Didn't read that book.) It was supposed to be aliens against humans of something right?

 

Here we go.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Diversity_Alliance

 

Who know it could be yet another group thrown into the mix.

 

Hmm... I suppose Imp intel could eventually try to twist this group to fight against Iblis at some point since he does have a lot of Humans in his faction.

[DarthTex]

Tripple post?

 

Not how I pictured to make my second 1,000th post but oh well.

Congrats (again) on the promotion Def!!

 

Triple post!! That's OK

 

Well, I have to go back and look at your maps to see what's been going on and where. I think now that the Vong have been "ferreted out" so to speak, they will want to divert attention away from the "main" battle areas. They know eventually with the Empire's heavy firepower and adaption tactics, they (the Vong) really can't win a war of attrition. They just have to win by keeping the Empire off balance. It will be upto the Empire to come up with new weapons/tactics, and then try to overwhelm the enemy. Just my two bits worth.

 

If you're looking for real detailed type story elements, then I'll have to get back at you later

[BadSamaritan]

There are a few other factions in the galaxy you have to remember also. The Hapans has fought off the Empire for years before Endor, including the curb-stomping of a Grand Admiral. While they may have fallen since then, I doubt they would not have resistance cells in place.

 

You also have to wonder how the Mandalorians would be faring. Would the empire have left them alone, or woudl they have been put down as they could have ben seen as a possible source of rebel troops? (I am still confused about them, as for so long people said they were nearly and/or completly wiped out years ago, but with the latest few books you find ou they still have an Empire to call their own.)

 

Where are the Chiss? Ol' Mr. Thrawn would still be alive, and the Chiss new about the Vong before anyone else did. They would have been the first people to strike at the Vong, as they were safegaurding the galaxy against unspeakable horrors (from what I remember, I would have to go get some quotes from a book on that one.)

 

Also, smugglers would be EVERYWHERE by now. The Empire taxed everything they could to pay for their huge war machine, and smugglers would take full advantage of that fact. You can bet their are huge smuggling organizations in existance, with people like Karrde and Booster leading them. How woudl they react to all of this?

 

Final note: In the game of galactic chess, Death Star + Force Storms beats all. The Vong are boned, no matter how you look at it.

[Defender_16]

We've already had a whole thread dedicated to how the Vong could beat a Death Star. It would just be damn costly.

 

Smugglers are indeed everywhere, just not right next to major Imperial Battlegroups.

 

Force storm meh, palply would be too... wait, did you say FORCE STORM for use against Force ineffective Vong?

 

I just started thinking earlier today (yesterday? need sleep.) about the Galaxy Gun. I don't think it would have been completed yet (The whole winning thing) but with the Vong becoming a threat I think Bevel Leminsk's clones might be called back to work. So I'm going to have to figure out a way to take out the Galaxy Gun that doesn't involve R2-D2.

 

These are good questions and ideas all.

[Paul]

A force storm could still destroy the Vong in my opinion. Just because they don't exist in the force the storm would still operate. Therefore I think their ships- which do appear in the universe would be destroyed. Just my 2 cents worth. - Grand Moff Conway

PS: Taking sides are we Defender with this destroy the Galaxy Gun deal lol

[BadSamaritan]

Interesting thing about Force Storms, is that they are only CAUSED by the force, not made from it. Vong vessels would still get ripped into itty bitty little pieces by a FS without to much effort.

 

Ooh, another thought. Centerpoint station. If a nitwit like Thracken could get a crew together to get it running again, you know damn well the Empire would eventually have done it. And they woudl not have pussy footed around like the brat Solo kid did. Oh no, they would be like "Screw it, vape these twelve stars and be done with it. Hey look, no more vong fleets. Ok, everyone move in and mop up."

 

Gimme another day, I am sure that I will come up with more toys for the empire to possibly have.

[Defender_16]

Grand Moff Conway

PS: Taking sides are we Defender with this destroy the Galaxy Gun deal lol

 

Death Star and Sun Crusher are one thing, at least they have to be in the same system to be used. Hell I'd even fight world Devastators in limited quantities before going up against someone with the Galaxy Gun. How are we supposed to have gigantically HUGE fleet battles without the Empire's enemies able to get some construction going on. Epic struggle is needed here Paul and I love conventional Arms.

 

"At the time, the Galaxy Gun was the most destructive weapon we'd ever seen. But I wish we had it now. We could blast those Yuuzhan Vong worldships right out of the sky."

―Luke Skywalker[src]

 

Omg, found this in the descussion area. Gave me an idea.

 

The following answer is just my opinion... Realistically, the projectiles shouldn't need any dedicated "launcher". If you were to compare them to an ICBM, they just need a place to be launched from, like a silo. But the superweapon isn't the launcher, it's the missles themselves. The missiles are big though so they still need to be stationed somewhere safe. Since the missiles have sublight engines and hyperdrives, ideally they should be launched similar to ICBM's. In silos on a planet, deep underground for extra protection. Several different planets perhaps just to ensure strike back capability if the enemy destroys a silo, and takes control of the planet. The Galaxy Gun itself is just an unnecessary launcher. All the eggs are in one basket so to speak, and it's vunerable. To answer lalalala's question, the gun is just there because this is a work of fiction that doesn't always make sense.

[Defender_16]

Information on Imperial Starfighters for those who wanted it.

 

Tie LancerIt's the second down.

 

The Tie Lancer or Tie-TL (Torpedo Launcher) was designed and conceived by Marco Spitoni for 'Join the Empire'

 

The stats come out making it rougly equivilant to a faster more manuverable Y-wing.

 

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The Tri-Avenger is my own design which Mad is modeling for me.

It was essentially to be the Imperial Version of the Clutch made using parts from the Tie Avenger. It is intended to be a cheaper to produce replacement for the Tie Defender even though it's abilities are slightly less.

[tacoJoemeru]

Ah! Danke Def! I was thinking more along the lines of a Lancer Frigate type fighter.