Ship Request: Republic Class Star Destroyer

[Defender_16]

I know these ships can seem kinda like over-redundant Victory II Destroyers but it would be something different to see. And it could be used in later New Jedi Order Total Conversion if somone ever makes one.

 

 

http://warlords.swrebellion.com/albums/album12/RepublicStarDestroyer.sized.jpg

[Colonel_Olorin]

kinda looks like a imp star and a mon cal got together one night after too many drinks and that's the bastard child they produced lol

[Krytos]

I'll eventually be making an RSD . . . eventually

 

Started it once, and like the Corona class Frigate had a hell of a time trying to make it look like the actual concept art - I think I'll give up on that approach though

[Mad78]

Iwould give it a try if i didn't several other models already in the works.

[Defender_16]

Is there any way to use the model (With permission) that's already in the Homeworld 2 Mod?

[Krytos]

Good question, and the answer is two fold.

 

First, you need to ask Eville for permission to use his model outside of the mod - that's the easy part.

The second part is to see if it can be imported into Rebellion. Apart from the fact that Eville's mod allows for a much higher poly model, as well as higher res textures, they're made with Maya - and unless Maya has a plugin that allows you to export to .3ds then you're in strife.

Earlier in the year when I was using Maya, I never found a free program that allows you to convert one of maya's formats into a compatible format with Max or visa versa

 

By the way, the original concept art of the RSD is this:

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/8265/rsd7kk.jpg

 

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EDIT:

Dug up my old model, and finished it off - still has room for some more polys (it's only around 1300), I might try making it smoother or something. Need to fix some of the geometry a little and those two little wing thingies.

It was a damn hard shape to make, like Colonel Olorin said, a mixture of an ISD and a Mon Cal *shudders at thought of those two drunk after a party*

 

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/8462/rsd017iy.th.jpghttp://img334.imageshack.us/img334/8263/rsd023vs.th.jpg

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/4523/rsd032zy.th.jpghttp://img334.imageshack.us/img334/55/rsd042by.th.jpg

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/705/rsd059fu.th.jpg

[Mad78]

Nice ship Krytos.

[Defender_16]

Yeah Mon Cal Cruisers and ISD's don't ususally go to the same bars that often so the ships are kind of rare. I never actually encountered it until I read New Jedi Order: Destiny's Way. After that I wanted to see what it looked like.

 

I battled one of them in the Homeworld 2 mod and took me forever to kill it. I have been impressed with these since.

[Krytos]

They're a descent ship, heavily armed and armoured and ideal as a centre peice for a New Republic task force, or to support other more powerful ships like a DSD

[Defender_16]

I just finished reading the New Jedi Order: Destiny's Way again. There are more Republic class Star Destroyers in that book than you can shake ten sticks at. ( And for some reason they have alot more MC-80's than MC-90's. )

 

Also I found one instance of the Peace Brigade actually having one of these ships in their fleet for a while. At least until Kre'fey took it away from them.

[Krytos]

Hmm, I could have sworn those were Republic class Cruisers in Destiny's Way

 

As for the Mc80 incedent, a lot of people found that weird and a while ago I went looking for some info on that and found a responce on theforce.net's forums

 

In Destiny's Way, the Mon Calamari Shipyards are described as building MC-80 series cruisers.

 

I asked Walter Jon Williams about this some tiem ago, and he responded that when he wrote the novel all he had was the old Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, which only features the MC-80a and MC-80b. WJW said that had he had more info available, he would of said that the Mon Cal yards were building the newest variamt of the Mon Cal cruiser.

 

Though, as other have suggested, we can do a easy fix to cover what he said in the book.

 

Most likely by the time of the NJO the vast majority of Mon Cal cruisers in service were MC-80b and MC-90. While the Mon Cal shipyards were most likely producing Mediator's and Star Defenders, I imagine that they devoted a portion of their yards to the refit and restoration of many old MC-80 and MC-80a cruisers. They are a good warship, and I bet that they were modified with the latest equipment and weapons.

 

This is the link to where I originally got it -they also bring up some very good points in their discussions (ok, not all of them ) so you might want to read through some of it . . . only some, because those guys never stop talking - that's page 187 of that particular topic :

http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/11918689/p187

 

Update on the ship, almost finished - she's textured and ingame after fixing some really weird bugs that were probably brought on by my flu - now I get some weird stuff happening with the textures though, where they get huge blue splotches on them

[Defender_16]

Hmm, I could have sworn those were Republic class Cruisers in Destiny's Way

 

Um... they were. I just said they were found all through the book.

 

(EDIT: If you were thinking of Republic cruisers from the prequel movies they never existed in the Star Wars universe until 1999. And Old Republic

Star Destroyers some time after 2003. http://revell.de/katalog/400/04860.JPG

Kind of late to be throwing in ships that haven't been in service for sixty years and were never seen in between. )

 

And as for the MC-80b Cruisers that pop up, we can just say, who knows how many of them were built before the MC-90 came into production. And alot of the cruisers used by the New Republic leading up to the fall of Coruscant were of varrying types of Star Destroyers. This leaves lots of the older Mon Cal cruisers left over to be used.

 

Anyways it's good to hear that the model is going well.

[Krytos]

First and foremost, the ship is ready: Here

 

The Republic class Cruiser isn't the one from the Episode I (which has another name, can't remember it though). It's described as being 1 km long, and used extensively in battle during the NJO. There's a scene where one gets destroyed over Coruscant in Star by Star.

Not much is known about it, apart from it's length and that it's KDY (if memory serves me right). Weaponary isn't known either, though you get the idea that it's a mass production verion of an MC80b - something in that order of firepower. Nothing special, though a good ship that could act as the backbone of a fleet.

[Defender_16]

The Republic class cruiser/ Star Destroyer (Which ever classification better applies) Started service with the New Republic in time for the Black Fleet Crisis.

 

Weaponary isn't known either, though you get the idea that it's a mass production verion of an MC80b - something in that order of firepower. Nothing special, though a good ship that could act as the backbone of a fleet

 

I changed topics since your previous post had mentiond the numbers of MC-80b Cruisers in that book ass well. So I was just presenting an explanation on how so many cruisers of that type could be arround.

 

The KDY Republic class cruiser and the Mon Cal Cruiser series are two very ship types.

 

Mabey I'm just being confused by your wording.

 

OK. Model looks fantastic! The textures look hashy from the RebEd view but it does that to any ship that I load.

But that has to be one of the highest res models I've seen in Rebellion before. I'm gonna go crash my computer with a 400 ship fleet battle now.

 

Next Request: A Yuuzhan Vong Matalok Cruiser.

(I know, slave driver. )

[Krytos]

The Republic class cruiser/ Star Destroyer (Which ever classification better applies) Started service with the New Republic in time for the Black Fleet Crisis.

 

Weaponary isn't known either, though you get the idea that it's a mass production verion of an MC80b - something in that order of firepower. Nothing special, though a good ship that could act as the backbone of a fleet

 

I changed topics since your previous post had mentiond the numbers of MC-80b Cruisers in that book ass well. So I was just presenting an explanation on how so many cruisers of that type could be arround.

 

The KDY Republic class cruiser and the Mon Cal Cruiser series are two very ship types.

 

Mabey I'm just being confused by your wording.

 

OK. Model looks fantastic! The textures look hashy from the RebEd view but it does that to any ship that I load.

But that has to be one of the highest res models I've seen in Rebellion before. I'm gonna go crash my computer with a 400 ship fleet battle now.

 

Next Request: A Yuuzhan Vong Matalok Cruiser.

(I know, slave driver. )

 

Ok, some clarrifications (because Star Wars EU is filled with many, many holes). It appears as if the New Republic likes to re-use the same names over and over again . . . The Defender class Star Destroyer, the Defender class Star Fighter and the Defender class Assault Carrier for example.

This model was of the Republic class Star Destroyer built by Rendeli Star Drive and introduced around 10-15 years after the Battle of Yavin ie. shortly before the Black Fleet Crisis.

There is also a Republic class Cruiser built by KDY and also only introduced during the NJO series (seen in both Star by Star and Destiny's Way), though there aren't any official stats or images of it. However the ship's description in the novels lends itself towards being, capability wise, simular to an Mon Cal cruiser.

 

Secondly, glad you liked the model - and good luck with crashing your computer

[pparis17]

krytos,

 

Is there any way you could add gravity wells to the model? I was just wondering because I remember that later in the NJO books some of them were retrofitted with gravity well projectors. I think two of the ships were called the Mon Mothma and the Mon Ackbar?

[Krytos]

Sure, it's possible - it wouldn't get started for a while - at least a week or two, and finishing it would take longer due to texturing it. My texture maps are generally filled to the brim so to speak, so I'm not user what I'd do there. That and all my work will make it a tough task to get done soon.

 

Also, those warships you were speaking of (the Mon Mathma and the other one, which is some different name to what you wrote - bloody weird as well) aren't Republic class Star Destroyers, they're said to have no distinguishable features between that and it's original chasis (thus no gravity wells, making my modelling job easier ) and also either a Defender class Star Destroyer or . . . something else

But a DSD is pretty much an better version of an RSD (seriously, same weapons - just more powerful turbolasers as well as 8 assault concussion missiles - better armour, shielding, speed and manouvrability at the cost of one less fighter squadron and being 200 metres shorter) and is also better than an ISD mk II in someways (everything except firepower and fighters, but it's very close even there).

So the logical choice for the New Republic would be to use this already state of the art warship as the basis of the Rejouvornator (?sp) class Star Destroyer.

There's a lot of talk about it, but in the end I'm pretty sure (as are many others) that the Star Destroyer mentioned was based off the DSD, which I've made a model for and havn't textured - check the "post new models here" thread for it.

 

It's late, I'm tired and stressed - thus I ramble on and on and on and . . .

 

I'll go now

[Defender_16]

The Ships like the Mon Mothma and Elagos A'kla never actually have their class identified.

 

For the most part they look like a slightly upgraded verion of an Imperator class Star Destroyer letting them blend in with the many other ships of that class used by the New Republic. Their armourment is roughly on par with the ISDII but with better gunnery accuracy being equipped with the newer Turbolasers specifically designed to combat YuuzhanVong.

( Balmorran Pulse Turbolasers? Not certain. )

 

They also retain the original carrying capacity of 6 Starfighter squadrons but less troops. Shields are a bit better than those on the ISDII but not by alot.

 

The gravity well projectors are designed to be concealed within the hull and can severly hamper the movement of Yuuzhan Vong ships. I reccomend giving the ship longer ranged Tractor beams to accuratly represent this when playing against Vong.

[pparis17]

Does anybody have the official or close to cannon stats for the nr star destroyer model as well as stats for the majestic class cruiser? I've made cards for them, but don't really have a clue as to weapon, hull, and shield capabilitys. Any suggestions would be helpful.

[Defender_16]

-Shields are atleast equal to those on the ISD.

-Weapons are 20% more powerful.

-Can carry 3 squadrons ( 1 NR fighter Wing )

- 1-2 Troop Regiments ( Something like 1,200 troops)

[Krytos]

Here's some official stats for you: http://members.tripod.com/dex_10/NRdata.html

 

Ships like the Majestic and Republic SD are under New Order Ships. These stats are in D6 format - which pretty much flow into Rebellion quiet easily - but it doesn't distinguish hull strengths well dependant on size giving them all a D value (at least in D20 stats, ships have a hull durability rating as well dependant on their size).

[pparis17]

sweet site. Thanks guys!

[shinsengumi]

The Republic class Cruiser isn't the one from the Episode I (which has another name, can't remember it though). It's described as being 1 km long, and used extensively in battle during the NJO. There's a scene where one gets destroyed over Coruscant in Star by Star.

Not much is known about it, apart from it's length and that it's KDY (if memory serves me right). Weaponary isn't known either, though you get the idea that it's a mass production verion of an MC80b - something in that order of firepower. Nothing special, though a good ship that could act as the backbone of a fleet.

The Republic-class Star Destroyer is listed in Cracken's Threat Dossier as being manufactured by Rendilli StarDrive and not Kuat Drive Yards. The cruiser in the New Jedi Order novels are most likely an entirely different vessel altogether.

 

More importantly, however, the existence of the RSD is another example of a misunderstanding of the Black Fleet Crisis novels by a West End Games writer with an overactive imagination. Simply stated, the Rendilli StarDrive Republic-class Star Destroyer doesn't exist. The reason it was put into Cracken's Threat Dossier is because the writer of the Black Fleet Crisis chapter did not realize that when Kube McDowell wrote "New Republic Star Destroyer" in the opening chapter of the trilogy he meant the Nebula-class Star Destroyer (the only Star Destroyer in the New Class modernization program) and not an entirely different ship class, and therefore set off to whip up a set of stats and some backstory.

 

Cracken's Threat Dossier is a great sourcebook because it's chock full of material, but the problem is that it was whipped together really quickly after West End Games realized that it didn't have enough time to put together individual sourcebooks for the various books ultimately covered by the final document. As such, in many places it directly contradicts the information in the original source novels and the supplemental notes that authors such as McDowell made. Unfortunately, because of its popularity many of its errors have become conventional wisdom even though anyone who has done a careful reading of the original novels would know otherwise.

[Krytos]

The Republic-class Star Destroyer is listed in Cracken's Threat Dossier as being manufactured by Rendilli StarDrive and not Kuat Drive Yards. The cruiser in the New Jedi Order novels are most likely an entirely different vessel altogether.

 

This much I knew, though after reading what I wrote last, it does sound as if I said the RSD was KDY. I was reffering to the Republic class Cruiser in the NJO series, as well as that vessel being 1 km long.

 

More importantly, however, the existence of the RSD is another example of a misunderstanding of the Black Fleet Crisis novels by a West End Games writer with an overactive imagination. Simply stated, the Rendilli StarDrive Republic-class Star Destroyer doesn't exist. The reason it was put into Cracken's Threat Dossier is because the writer of the Black Fleet Crisis chapter did not realize that when Kube McDowell wrote "New Republic Star Destroyer" in the opening chapter of the trilogy he meant the Nebula-class Star Destroyer (the only Star Destroyer in the New Class modernization program) and not an entirely different ship class, and therefore set off to whip up a set of stats and some backstory.

 

This, I didn't know - but makes more sense. It always bugged me that the RSD and NSD (DSD by my books ) had practically the same weapons load, with the NSD being armed with morepowerful versions of everything.

One thing that just sprung to mind about the RSD and the mix up, was its size. If the RSD was confused for the NSD - how'd they get the size of 1225 metres as opposed to 1040? Perhaps, it was just a thought by West End or is there something more?

[Defender_16]

I think we can all agree though that the New Republic's ship classes are severely screwed up.

 

Right?

 

I only requested the RSD because it looked cool after seeing it in Warlords.