Attacks in London

[Skynxnex]

I hope our resident British members here werent hurt at all in the bombings that happened today in London.

[Jahled]

I want vengeance for the dead and maimed.

[Guest Scathane]

I believe I can say I speak for all our community members when I say that our hearts go out to you and yours who were victim to this low-hearted and cowardly attack.

 

There is no place for such disrespect against humanity in this world...

Edited July 11, 2005 by Scathane

[NIIIC]

When I heard about it, I couldn't believe it.

 

Having already been in the Metro stations in London, I know that a big, always full and deep. I can't imagine the horror off being in one of these stations when the booms exploded. Personally, I have now friends that I know have been touched, though I haven't spoken with all of them. I can say the same for Mad78, his fam. is ok. I hope it is the same for all of you in London, and the rest of the world.

 

What a horrible act, and for no obvious reasons. I mean, if it was for the G8, the bomb would have been placed in Scot. and I don't believe Al-Qaeda would get involved with the JOs in London. So personally I can't see why a bomb now in London.

 

That is why I do not ask for vengeance, but a demand a justification for these free acts of horror!

 

Hoping again none of you have fam. or friends that have fam. or friends that were killed or badly injured.

 

Sincerely, Nicolas A.

Edited July 7, 2005 by NIIIC

[Jahled]

The mobile networks have been shagged on and off for most of the day, so I for one am still finding out if any of my mates were hurt in the bombs, and it is a close call, most of them work in central London. My best mate uses the Edgware Road tube station; i've known him since I was four, and had one hell of a good feeling when I finnally got through to him just after lunch. His MD was apparently on the tube that got hit. Whilst a bit rattled, i've lived through this before when the IRA were bombing ordinary and innocent people in the eighties and seventies.

 

 

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Edited July 7, 2005 by Jahled

[Trejiuvanat]

What a horrible act, and for no obvious reasons. I mean, if it was for the G8, the bomb would have been placed in Scot. and I don't believe Al-Qaeda would get involved with the JOs in London. So personally I can't see why a bomb now in London.

 

Terror hardly needs a reason and as ever it strikes at the innocent, and proof of it were today's attacks, or last year's in Madrid or New York's 4 years ago, or essentially all other manifestations of terrorism happening right now. Trying to second-guess motives right now hardly matters, and no one will justify their actions for this treacherous attack.

 

I'm glad that J found that his friend, and that -so far- he has lost no one- I wish no one here loses anyone. Right now we must be glad for those who survived and grief for those lost.

[Paul]

I just sent Jahled an e-mail before coming here. I am relieved to see that he is unharmed. My heart goes out to our friends in these troubled times. My brother may be heading for posting in Iraq as part of his army duties to try to stop these kind of things.-Grand Moff Conway

[Jahled]

My brother may be heading for posting in Iraq as part of his army duties to try to stop these kind of things.-Grand Moff Conway

 

He has my praise and repect. God forbid he comes into contact with these enemies of civilization, but if he does I hope he is able to use his bullets to great effect. Good hunting, and spit on what he kills. They are the implacable opponents of civilization and liberty.

 

If anyone thinks any of this is to do with Iraq; remember all the German Tourists slaughtered in Luxor or the or the French metro bombs before 9/11 or the war in Iraq. This is a vermin amongst civilization that must be ruthlessly erradicated.

[Texas_Fett]

I'm relieved to see we haven't been directly affected by the London bombings. It's encouraging to see how the British people, as a whole, have reacted to it, however. Give 'em hell, Tony!!

 

-Texas_Fett

[the_mask]

Now that was a shock reading something about bombs in London, when I went to the pc-pool, after today's exam.

 

I'm relieved, that you're alright Jahled. The internet would be a quite empty place without you

 

I can only consent with Trej's post, hitting innocents for ... what ? The sheer glee of doing so ? That's cowardly and outright disgusting, period.

 

However, to end such crap, those behind the scenes, who thought of this and other attacks would need to be found and brought to justice.

If they're so convinced about their ideas, how come they don't spearhead them, instead of safely sitting in some bolt-hole and laughing about the fools, they made doing this instead ?

 

Again, cowardly and disgusting.

 

O tempore, o mores...

[Valorum_Kore]

37 dead, 700+ wounded by a bunch of pussies with little conscience, no brains, and even smaller balls... I sincerly hope Scotland Yard crack these bastards quick and hard... I don't think we have to worry about Londoners, they are an extremely tough and resiliant lot... London has been through the Blitz (In my opinion was one of the most amazing and couragous acts of resiliancy and difiance in World History), and at least 2 decades of IRA bombings. Its gonna take a hell of alot more than this to bring down London and thats a fact!

 

Hope all of our London faithful have made it through unharmed and wish you guys Godspeed...

[Krytos]

It's great to hear that you're alright J, as well as your friends.

I also hope that any other members of the forum that reside in London weren't affected by this cowardly act of violence by this scum that infects the earth.

I say hunt them down like the vermine they are

[Stellar_Magic]

Good to here our memebers escaped unscaved. It just goes to show just how dumb the terrorists are to think that hitting london will do anything but piss off the british people.

[Skynxnex]

Terrorists really are the scum of the earth. I am glad that the death toll wasnt as high as it could have been. Thank goodness they found a few of the bombs and deactivated them.

[Eko]

I was away for the blasts so i'm ok, had a couple of close shaves with my family and friends but everyone I know is safe and well.

 

This attack was inevitiable, a statement made by the security services regarding a possibililty of a bombing, eventually something would get through. I can only commend the dedication and bravery of every member of the emergency services who acted in such a heroic manner, they have done us proud.

[the_mask]

Geez, I totally forgot, that you also lived there, Eko. Not a good thing to come home to, I guess.

 

Glad you're alright

 

Btw, I've just heard something about several bombs in Birmingham, that were successfully disarmed or detonated under the surveillance of a local bomb-squad. 30000 people were priorly evacuated, or so the news feed read.

This is nuts, plain nuts...

[Stellar_Magic]

It seems the Terrorists have elected to begin a campaign against you brits. The idiots should have just hit us on the other side of the pond. Heck give Blair another term and the troops would have withdrawn from iraq anyway. Now they're going to be there as long as it takes I bet.

 

I guess the terrorists just aren't patient or sane.

[the_mask]

Two attributes, that I'd never associate with them, anyway

[Jahled]

If anything positive has come out of these act of evil it is this: the Muslim community in this country; the overwelming majority of whome dispise the scum who bomb in their faith's name, have finally been rattled enough to start sincerely shopping the radicals into such fascist beliefs from their community and condem those imans preaching such anti-western hatred. To quote the very late Jim Morrison, 'the west is the best,' because it is. In our societies individuals have the ultimate freedom to be what they want and to believe in without the state dictating how to think or to believe. This is where these deluded religious fascists have missed the corroded point in their point. That attack was against Londeners as a whole. That's Muslims, Church of England, Catholics, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists, pagans, and whatever; including folks like me into nothing much but eternity. What they have done is galvanize hatred against all their religious fascism and crap reasoning from across the board; which wierdly, is wonderful.

 

Also it should silence those liberal idiots who advocate countries such as the Uk as asylum destinations for the advocates of such corrupted religious belief. We should be offering our praise to 'liberal' Muslim societeis such as Egypt; not preventing their law-makers reep justice on these advocates of hate who have claimed asylum here, their style. Get's muddled doesn't it?

[Eko]

I think we all need to be careful in these circumstances, the muslim community as a whole is not to blame for this, that is if this was indeed the work of Jihadis. A huge portion of the Muslim community has cry out against the attacks, two of the bombs hit Muslim dominated area. What we must recognise is that the attacks, if carried out by Muslims, were What we don't need now if for islamaphobia to increase, at the bequest of the ever loving BNP.

 

It is incredible how this has brought the community together. We had emerged stronger and more defiant, we shall not bow to the will of these terrorists who would assualt innocent civilians. We come out of this stronge and I am proud of all who have been involved, my thoughts are of course with those who have lost loved ones.

[Skynxnex]

I think we all need to be careful in these circumstances, the muslim community as a whole is not to blame for this, that is if this was indeed the work of Jihadis. A huge portion of the Muslim community has cry out against the attacks, two of the bombs hit Muslim dominated area. What we must recognise is that the attacks, if carried out by Muslims, were What we don't need now if for islamaphobia to increase, at the bequest of the ever loving BNP.

 

It is incredible how this has brought the community together. We had emerged stronger and more defiant, we shall not bow to the will of these terrorists who would assualt innocent civilians. We come out of this stronge and I am proud of all who have been involved, my thoughts are of course with those who have lost loved ones.

 

 

It goes without saying that the community as a whole wasnt responsible for the attacks, however, the community as a whole DOES NOT do much to rout out those responsible. I mean lets be realists here yes? There are a lot of prayer services, shoot even over here in Virginia I remember reading an article about this one muslim imam or prayer guy who is constantly doing nothing but railing against the west. When you have a guy who preaches on about the so-called evils of the west for hours on end and no one tells this guy to stop, it becomes easy to start brain-washing people to perform terrorist acts. Anyone remember the dutch fellow who got stabbed? He was a movie director or something and made a movie that was critical of muslims and supposedly some of the extremists got pissed off and one of them stabbed him.

 

Terrorists forget something which should be reminded to them. Attacks on civilians simply piss people off more and it can be a rallying cry. Most Americans before the 9/11 incident really didnt give 2 cents of thought on what goes on in say Afghanistan. By killing so many people with those airplanes and doing it so suddenly it rallied the nation. I wont go into the politics of whether the US should invade another country or not. All I will say though is this, any country worth its name and credibility has a DUTY to its CITIZENS to protect them from attack. The whole point of a government is to serve its people, not make its people serve them. Letting people get away with attacking your citizens is the surest way for the politician to get voted out of office real quick.

 

Another thing, it doesnt help when these tragedies occur for others to dance on the graves and say it was good. I recall reading a few days ago how some of the extremists on different forums were saying that the London attacks were a good thing and they got what they deserved. When you or I go around to different websites and read such trash it gets us mad and rightly so. I remember on 9/11 how I saw images of people in the West Bank dancing in the streets and burning American flags. How do you think I felt when I saw that?

 

Anyway I wont go on about that. At any rate I am glad that it seems our resident british members here werent hurt by the attacks and hopefully no more attacks will occur.

[AdmiralToguroAni]

While I certainly don't agree with what occured, I always try to stand back and look at a bigger picture (if one exists). We don't know (or at least, I don't) who started these attacks, so I can't blame Islamic fundamentalists yet, nor will I until I get some proof. If we are too quick to lay blame, things become too hectic to control. Look at how Osama Bin Laden was the "suspected mastermind behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks" the first few months after the attack, and now he is the "evil cowardly menace that killed so many people". There was no hearing or trial. Personally, I believe that he WAS the mastermind, but we can't say in good consciousness that "only law-abiding westerners are innocent before proven guilty", no matter how strong the demand for vengeance gets.

 

Someone said that terror needs to motivation, but we must remember that most terrorist attacks are the result of some person or group with a message to send. Whether that message is the desire to establish American independence from Britain or as retaliation against American occupation in Afghanistan, it is rarely done for no reason.

 

My point is, don't dehumanize these people. They may be misguided, they may even be evil, but they're still humans. Terrorism is a weapon of the weak against the strong, and it is being used all too often against the wrong people recently. We could say that they are cowards, but when your force has a limited number of people, a full scale assault just isnt feasible. Look how America won the Revolution. They should be found and punished, as per the law, but the minute we stop thinking of terrorists as humans and as something lower, that is when we make dehumanization and the deprivation of rights the acceptable norm. As civilized citizens, we are above that. We have to be.

 

I am not siding with the terrorists. I am siding with the victims and their families, with the people who want a world without terroristm, but against people who want to dehumanize a group of people because they disapprove of what they've done. I side against people who don't bother trying to understand their enemy--that unwillingness to understand is the same attitude that Al-Qaida has, and if both sides are like that, then no matter who wins, we lose.

[Eko]

I remember on 9/11 how I saw images of people in the West Bank dancing in the streets and burning American flags. How do you think I felt when I saw that?

 

One thing I absolutley loathe is people who glory in death. You go to some websites and you meet Yanks who say:

 

"100 Terrorists dead. Ragheads = PWNED, roflmao at the ragistanis"

 

Or (as it is by no means a soley Yank thing)

 

"3 more terrorists dead, they deserve it for being american..." - in relation to the deaths of marines.

 

That sort of crap really gets me angry, to see these pathetic people who think that war and suffering is cool. From the safety of their quiet suburban house however...They are truly the scum of the Earth.

 

With respect to 'motive' what we have to ask ourselves is 'Why does someone have so little to live for that he or she will destroy themselves just to take others with them?' The answer quite often is that an American of Brit bomber has travelled over head recently and in the ush of one button wiped out their entire family...war and suffering upset me so much, war is not the answer, if it why have we made war for thousands of years and all for no gain.

 

Terrorist or freedom fighter depends on which side of the fence you sit on, many 'freedom fighters' have carried out acts that would be deplored and labeled terrorist from other camps. All I know is that attacking Iraq and Afganistan has not destroyed the terrorist threat, as ATA realised terrorism is the weapon of the weak against the strong, they are more mobile, they do not have to be restricted to one location.

 

Anyway, enough poorly written ranting, the thought of those who glorify in death has made me angry.

[Jahled]

Someone said that terror needs to motivation, but we must remember that most terrorist attacks are the result of some person or group with a message to send.

 

In this instance, as with 9/11, the Paris Metro bombings, and the slaughter of German tourists at Luxor, there isn't a message the human brain can get to grips with, other than implacable anger, hatred fot the west, and desperation. Their message in all these cases seems to be a fundermental hatred of western values; ie: liberty, democracy, female equality, and life without religion being force fed into your mouth. It's a message human civilization should really have got behind it now. How the Taliban ruled Afganistan wasn't just disgusting, but an afront to human dignity.

 

or as retaliation against American occupation in Afghanistan

 

Que? Occupation? It's a fledgling demopcracy. A NATO led force comprised of numerous nations, that the world at large has welcomed, is trying to restore order from a group of religious fanatics attempting to impose their will on Afgain-society. The Taliban were murderous scum. Muslim society was shocked and appauled by those religious fascists and what they got up to. Their regime certainly wasn't the will of the people; just yet another hang-over of the cold war, and a very traumatised and tribal society.

 

My point is, don't dehumanize these people. They may be misguided, they may even be evil, but they're still humans. Terrorism is a weapon of the weak against the strong, and it is being used all too often against the wrong people recently. We could say that they are cowards, but when your force has a limited number of people, a full scale assault just isnt feasible. Look how America won the Revolution. They should be found and punished, as per the law, but the minute we stop thinking of terrorists as humans and as something lower, that is when we make dehumanization and the deprivation of rights the acceptable norm.

 

I think you are getting a little lost with your 'thoughtful' and 'open minded' agenda. This is an enemy where their aims oppose the very foundations of modern society. They also are answerable only to such steadfast notion of some ancient teaching resulting in the enternal very boring answer of God; so there is no compromise or negotiation. Ultimately, they have religious beliefs I will fight against untill I am dead, because I want a human society where people have the right to choice what to think or to believe in; not with tyrannical imposition.

 

Ultimately, I hate war and violence as well. But we live amongst a foe who is beyond dialogue, beyond negotiation, and to murderous to ignore.

[AdmiralToguroAni]

In this instance, as with 9/11, the Paris Metro bombings, and the slaughter of German tourists at Luxor, there isn't a message the human brain can get to grips with, other than implacable anger, hatred fot the west, and desperation. Their message in all these cases seems to be a fundermental hatred of western values; ie: liberty, democracy, female equality, and life without religion being force fed into your mouth. It's a message human civilization should really have got behind it now. How the Taliban ruled Afganistan wasn't just disgusting, but an afront to human dignity.

 

While you or anyone else outside the terrorist fringe group may not agree with what the message is, its still not hard to understand, really. We value freedom, capitalism, and equality. I, you, and honestly most people also view these as "good". These fringe groups, however, view complete religious obedience in the same way that we view freedom and equality. And, like us, they'll fight for what they believe in. Its just our responsibility to make sure that we win and they don't. The trick is doing that in a way that doesn't compromise what it is that we're fighting for.

 

Qué? Occupation? It's a fledgling demopcracy. A NATO led force comprised of numerous nations, that the world at large has welcomed, is trying to restore order from a group of religious fanatics attempting to impose their will on Afgain-society. The Taliban were murderous scum. Muslim society was shocked and appauled by those religious fascists and what they got up to. Their regime certainly wasn't the will of the people; just yet another hang-over of the cold war, and a very traumatised and tribal society.

 

I'm talking about the early 1990's occupation, not the post 9/11 one, just to clear that up. Since the 2001 occupation was already post-attack, we can figure that to be a logical advancement on the war front. The earlier occupation in Afghanistan was to help Israel, I believe, something that Al-Qaida wasn't too happy with.

 

I think you are getting a little lost with your 'thoughtful' and 'open minded' agenda. This is an enemy where their aims oppose the very foundations of modern society. They also are answerable only to such steadfast notion of some ancient teaching resulting in the enternal very boring answer of God; so there is no compromise or negotiation. Ultimately, they have religious beliefs I will fight against untill I am dead, because I want a human society where people have the right to choice what to think or to believe in; not with tyrannical imposition."

 

Just because an enemy is a threat doesn't justify dehumanizing it. We can't punish Saddam Hussein for war crimes and then turn around and do them ourselves, justifying that terrorists have no national allegiance and therefore slip through the cracks. We can't let them win, but we have to win in such a way that will show them (and ourselves) that you can practice what you preach even during wartime, which the United States has not been doing, unfortunately.

 

Edit by Trej: Fixed the quote so it looks better...